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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:33:08 PM
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Absolute rubbish.


You should probably stick to posting pictures of pretty girls because you have no idea what you are talking about.

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"thousands of worried Mexicans" have been having "satellite and radio-frequency tracking products" implanted in their skin in order to protect themselves against abduction.
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Apparently, "thousands of Mexicans" constitutes widespread use.  That's not even .00005 % of the Mexican population.  And they were voluntary participants due to safety reasons.  I guess that constitutes "widespread."   

Funny how you responded to my question about conspiracies, but not about this .  I guess I'm not so surprised.  I was for legallizing pot, but you are the poster boy for the other side....

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Posted: 5/23/2012 11:34:54 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

Funny how you responded to my question about conspiracies, but not about this .  I guess I'm not so surprised.  I was for legallizing pot, but you are the poster boy for the other side....



I didn't think a response was needed. You're entitled to your own opinion, correct? Please re-read the thread title, so with that said, I will comment on your reply since you're indirectly asking.

If 1000's of people got sick from one person....I think its considered widespread. So from having none to having thousands.....yes that's "widespread"

So in the future Hutch, will you "volunteer" yourself and your loved ones to get chipped?  


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Posted: 5/23/2012 11:49:24 AM
If 1000's of people got sick from one person....I think its considered widespread. So from having none to having thousands.....yes that's "widespread"
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In order for something to be "widespread," you need a point of reference, nitwit.

.00005 % of Mexico's population.  






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Posted: 5/23/2012 11:54:12 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

#11 Prescription Drugs Kill A Lot Of Americans

Growing up, I never even imagined that prescription drugs could be dangerous.  I had complete faith in the medical community and the government to only allow drugs on the market that were fully tested and proven to be 100% safe.

Well, I was dead wrong.  The truth is that adverse reactions to prescription drugs kill a huge number of Americans every year.  A recent Vanity Fair article entitled "Deadly Medicine" began with the following statement....

Prescription drugs kill some 200,000 Americans every year. Will that number go up, now that most clinical trials are conducted overseas—on sick Russians, homeless Poles, and slum-dwelling Chinese—in places where regulation is virtually nonexistent, the F.D.A. doesn’t reach, and “mistakes” can end up in pauper’s graves?

#12 Bisphenol-A Is Linked To Infertility

A very common chemical known as bisphenol-A is found in thousands upon thousands of our plastic products.  It also turns out that it has some really nasty effects on the human body.

Fortunately, some in the mainstream media are beginning to acknowledge this.  Back in October, one of the largest UK newspapers published an article entitled "Bisphenol-A now linked to male infertility" which made the following unequivocal statement about the dangers of BPA....

Bisphenol-A (BPA), known as the "gender bending" chemical because of its connection to male impotence, has now been shown to decrease sperm mobility and quality.




Leading Causes of Death

(Data are for the U.S. and are final 2009 data; For the most recent preliminary data see Deaths: Preliminary Data for 2010 Adobe PDF file [PDF - 724 KB])

 
Number of deaths for leading causes of death

    Heart disease: 599,413
    Cancer: 567,628
    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
    Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
    Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
    Alzheimer's disease: 79,003
    Diabetes: 68,705
    Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
    Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
    Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909
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Where are the 200,000 deaths from prescription drugs

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Posted: 5/23/2012 11:55:18 AM
thanks for answering my question with a nitwit comment


you're almost as irrelevant as BMA...beginning to lose your "internet cred"


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Posted: 5/23/2012 12:03:07 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

#11 Prescription Drugs Kill A Lot Of Americans

Growing up, I never even imagined that prescription drugs could be dangerous.  I had complete faith in the medical community and the government to only allow drugs on the market that were fully tested and proven to be 100% safe.

Well, I was dead wrong.  The truth is that adverse reactions to prescription drugs kill a huge number of Americans every year.  A recent Vanity Fair article entitled "Deadly Medicine" began with the following statement....

Prescription drugs kill some 200,000 Americans every year. Will that number go up, now that most clinical trials are conducted overseas—on sick Russians, homeless Poles, and slum-dwelling Chinese—in places where regulation is virtually nonexistent, the F.D.A. doesn’t reach, and “mistakes” can end up in pauper’s graves?

#12 Bisphenol-A Is Linked To Infertility

A very common chemical known as bisphenol-A is found in thousands upon thousands of our plastic products.  It also turns out that it has some really nasty effects on the human body.

Fortunately, some in the mainstream media are beginning to acknowledge this.  Back in October, one of the largest UK newspapers published an article entitled "Bisphenol-A now linked to male infertility" which made the following unequivocal statement about the dangers of BPA....

Bisphenol-A (BPA), known as the "gender bending" chemical because of its connection to male impotence, has now been shown to decrease sperm mobility and quality.



No drug is 100% safe. All drugs available have side effects.

The question is does the benefit of the drug over ride its potential adverse effects.

Many cancer drugs used in chemotherapy are very toxic, but due to the gravity of the condition treated the benefits of the  drug out weigh its harmful effects.


General anesthetics are necessary drugs for major operations etc, but are very toxic, and there are a small number of deaths every year from anesthetics
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Posted: 5/23/2012 12:09:03 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

#11 Prescription Drugs Kill A Lot Of Americans

Growing up, I never even imagined that prescription drugs could be dangerous.  I had complete faith in the medical community and the government to only allow drugs on the market that were fully tested and proven to be 100% safe.

Well, I was dead wrong.  The truth is that adverse reactions to prescription drugs kill a huge number of Americans every year.  A recent Vanity Fair article entitled "Deadly Medicine" began with the following statement....

Prescription drugs kill some 200,000 Americans every year. Will that number go up, now that most clinical trials are conducted overseas—on sick Russians, homeless Poles, and slum-dwelling Chinese—in places where regulation is virtually nonexistent, the F.D.A. doesn’t reach, and “mistakes” can end up in pauper’s graves?

#12 Bisphenol-A Is Linked To Infertility

A very common chemical known as bisphenol-A is found in thousands upon thousands of our plastic products.  It also turns out that it has some really nasty effects on the human body.

Fortunately, some in the mainstream media are beginning to acknowledge this.  Back in October, one of the largest UK newspapers published an article entitled "Bisphenol-A now linked to male infertility" which made the following unequivocal statement about the dangers of BPA....

Bisphenol-A (BPA), known as the "gender bending" chemical because of its connection to male impotence, has now been shown to decrease sperm mobility and quality.




Prescription drugs may not show serious adverse effects in clinical trail stages, and it may take years for a problem to become apparent when that drug has been used by large numbers of people. Side effects  that were not apparent at first. that's why doctors report adverse drug reactions to the authorities and when a problem flags up by the number of reports coming in the drug may be withdrawn. Many drugs have hit the market and been withdrawn many years later.
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Posted: 5/23/2012 12:15:08 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

#11 Prescription Drugs Kill A Lot Of Americans

Growing up, I never even imagined that prescription drugs could be dangerous.  I had complete faith in the medical community and the government to only allow drugs on the market that were fully tested and proven to be 100% safe.

Well, I was dead wrong.  The truth is that adverse reactions to prescription drugs kill a huge number of Americans every year.  A recent Vanity Fair article entitled "Deadly Medicine" began with the following statement....

Prescription drugs kill some 200,000 Americans every year. Will that number go up, now that most clinical trials are conducted overseas—on sick Russians, homeless Poles, and slum-dwelling Chinese—in places where regulation is virtually nonexistent, the F.D.A. doesn’t reach, and “mistakes” can end up in pauper’s graves?

#12 Bisphenol-A Is Linked To Infertility

A very common chemical known as bisphenol-A is found in thousands upon thousands of our plastic products.  It also turns out that it has some really nasty effects on the human body.

Fortunately, some in the mainstream media are beginning to acknowledge this.  Back in October, one of the largest UK newspapers published an article entitled "Bisphenol-A now linked to male infertility" which made the following unequivocal statement about the dangers of BPA....

Bisphenol-A (BPA), known as the "gender bending" chemical because of its connection to male impotence, has now been shown to decrease sperm mobility and quality.



One thing is certain and that is the benefits of prescription drugs.

Imagine a world without

Insulin
Antibiotics
Vaccines
Hypotensives
Anti platlet and other anticoagulants
Anti Arrhythmic
Anti Epilepsy drugs
Drugs for cancer
Drugs for Neurotic and Psychotic drugs

the list goes on and on.

Be thankful for prescription drugs, the benefits vastly outweigh the risks
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Posted: 5/23/2012 12:22:04 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

If 1000's of people got sick from one person....I think its considered widespread. So from having none to having thousands.....yes that's "widespread"
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In order for something to be "widespread," you need a point of reference, nitwit.

.00005 % of Mexico's population.  



.00005% of a population is "widespread" according to you.  Not sure who the nitwit is here, but I'm pretty sure it's not me.  
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Posted: 5/23/2012 12:25:27 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

#11 Prescription Drugs Kill A Lot Of Americans

Growing up, I never even imagined that prescription drugs could be dangerous.  I had complete faith in the medical community and the government to only allow drugs on the market that were fully tested and proven to be 100% safe.

Well, I was dead wrong.  The truth is that adverse reactions to prescription drugs kill a huge number of Americans every year.  A recent Vanity Fair article entitled "Deadly Medicine" began with the following statement....

Prescription drugs kill some 200,000 Americans every year. Will that number go up, now that most clinical trials are conducted overseas—on sick Russians, homeless Poles, and slum-dwelling Chinese—in places where regulation is virtually nonexistent, the F.D.A. doesn’t reach, and “mistakes” can end up in pauper’s graves?

#12 Bisphenol-A Is Linked To Infertility

A very common chemical known as bisphenol-A is found in thousands upon thousands of our plastic products.  It also turns out that it has some really nasty effects on the human body.

Fortunately, some in the mainstream media are beginning to acknowledge this.  Back in October, one of the largest UK newspapers published an article entitled "Bisphenol-A now linked to male infertility" which made the following unequivocal statement about the dangers of BPA....

Bisphenol-A (BPA), known as the "gender bending" chemical because of its connection to male impotence, has now been shown to decrease sperm mobility and quality.




Its not just the FDA call. Pharmaceutical companies are global, and clinical trials are often running in many countries at the same time. Drugs are global clinical evaluation and ethical concerns. There are very few cases where a drug would be approved if it was not approved in Europe and vice verse.   The same drugs though often marked under different brand names are used in the USA and Europe , so there are multiple sourced safe gaurds by drugs having to meet FDA and European regulatory body standards
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Posted: 5/23/2012 12:37:42 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:


.00005% of a population is "widespread" according to you.  Not sure who the nitwit is here, but I'm pretty sure it's not me.  


I don't have to prove you're a nitwit....you do it well yourself.

You want a point of reference....how about the human race nitwit. If you want to have a discussion without having to resort to name calling because it shows your inferiority, do so. You just proved to me and everyone your mind is incapable of looking at the big picture.

Since you wont answer my questions...

Have a good day in your cubicle....work hard crunching your numbers son...I'll be at the range practicing my swing and getting a massage afterwards.



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Posted: 5/23/2012 10:14:36 PM
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Do you know what the definition is of "conspiracy?"


Apparently you don't, so...

Hutch, BMA (one with many aliases), and the likes, just in case YOU don't understand what a conspiracy is; Conspiracies exists everyday in our lives, it is very common part of life. Boys conspire to get laid, girls conspire to find a good man, sports team conspire to out maneuver their opponents; the rich conspire with one another to get richer and govt conspires about EVERYTHING.
     
For a fact every single person who has ever been convicted of a crime by a jury is the subject of a conspiracy theory; only in these cases a jury has accepted the theory as truth after seeing the evidence. Any time two or more people are involved in setting private plans to do anything, you have a conspiracy.  And every single time you have a powerful government, you have secret organizations conspiring to remain secret. Conspiracies, by definition are shrouded in secrecy. In turn, their secrecy begets speculation and that speculation spawns new theories about the conspiracy itself. Is there any wonder that theories arise about things we do not fully understand and events we find suspicious?  In the end, theories are inevitable.  Truths, however, are essential.

For you simpletons, here's another example, trying to figure out what trades your favorite baseball team might make is a perfect example of this. The team is conspiring to make changes and you are theorizing about the changes. There is nothing wrong with that. Strangely, when you discuss on forums to speculate on the trade, no one will call you a conspiracy theorist, despite the fact that the name does apply. By speculating about the secret plans of others, you actually are expressing a theory about their conspiracy.

Theories, in essence, are educated guesses, and conspiracy theories are educated guesses about conspiracies people perceive around them.  The sinister nature of conspiracy theories, then, is totally undeserved.
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Posted: 5/23/2012 10:18:13 PM
smokin pot,

the conspiracy theorist.  keep up the good work, matey.

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lying to get into vietnam.... how many people did that kill?
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Posted: 5/24/2012 6:32:29 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

#6 U.S. Government Provides Weapons For Mexican Drug Cartels

For a long time there were those that claimed that the U.S. government was providing guns to Mexican drug cartels, but nobody wanted to listen.

Well, it is all now a matter of public record.  It turns out that the U.S. government facilitated the transfer of thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

The following is a brief excerpt from a CBS News report that discusses the fierce opposition that many ATF agents expressed to allowing thousands of guns to be given into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels....

On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn't want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF's watchful eye. "The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That's how many guns were sold - including some 50-calibers they let walk."

50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: "Negative. Stand down."

CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. "It got ugly..." said one. There was "screaming and yelling" says another. A third warned: "this is crazy, somebody is gonna to get killed."

Amazingly, three of the key ATF officials involved in putting thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels were recently promoted.



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QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:



Apparently you don't, so...

Hutch, BMA (one with many aliases), and the likes, just in case YOU don't understand what a conspiracy is; Conspiracies exists everyday in our lives, it is very common part of life. Boys conspire to get laid, girls conspire to find a good man, sports team conspire to out maneuver their opponents; the rich conspire with one another to get richer and govt conspires about EVERYTHING.
     
For a fact every single person who has ever been convicted of a crime by a jury is the subject of a conspiracy theory; only in these cases a jury has accepted the theory as truth after seeing the evidence. Any time two or more people are involved in setting private plans to do anything, you have a conspiracy.  And every single time you have a powerful government, you have secret organizations conspiring to remain secret. Conspiracies, by definition are shrouded in secrecy. In turn, their secrecy begets speculation and that speculation spawns new theories about the conspiracy itself. Is there any wonder that theories arise about things we do not fully understand and events we find suspicious?  In the end, theories are inevitable.  Truths, however, are essential.

For you simpletons, here's another example, trying to figure out what trades your favorite baseball team might make is a perfect example of this. The team is conspiring to make changes and you are theorizing about the changes. There is nothing wrong with that. Strangely, when you discuss on forums to speculate on the trade, no one will call you a conspiracy theorist, despite the fact that the name does apply. By speculating about the secret plans of others, you actually are expressing a theory about their conspiracy.

Theories, in essence, are educated guesses, and conspiracy theories are educated guesses about conspiracies people perceive around them.  The sinister nature of conspiracy theories, then, is totally undeserved.


Oxford Dictionary

conspire
make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act


conspiracy
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful: a conspiracy to destroy the government
[mass noun] the action of plotting or conspiring:

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QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:



Apparently you don't, so...

Hutch, BMA (one with many aliases), and the likes, just in case YOU don't understand what a conspiracy is; Conspiracies exists everyday in our lives, it is very common part of life. Boys conspire to get laid, girls conspire to find a good man, sports team conspire to out maneuver their opponents; the rich conspire with one another to get richer and govt conspires about EVERYTHING.
     
For a fact every single person who has ever been convicted of a crime by a jury is the subject of a conspiracy theory; only in these cases a jury has accepted the theory as truth after seeing the evidence. Any time two or more people are involved in setting private plans to do anything, you have a conspiracy.  And every single time you have a powerful government, you have secret organizations conspiring to remain secret. Conspiracies, by definition are shrouded in secrecy. In turn, their secrecy begets speculation and that speculation spawns new theories about the conspiracy itself. Is there any wonder that theories arise about things we do not fully understand and events we find suspicious?  In the end, theories are inevitable.  Truths, however, are essential.

For you simpletons, here's another example, trying to figure out what trades your favorite baseball team might make is a perfect example of this. The team is conspiring to make changes and you are theorizing about the changes. There is nothing wrong with that. Strangely, when you discuss on forums to speculate on the trade, no one will call you a conspiracy theorist, despite the fact that the name does apply. By speculating about the secret plans of others, you actually are expressing a theory about their conspiracy.

Theories, in essence, are educated guesses, and conspiracy theories are educated guesses about conspiracies people perceive around them.  The sinister nature of conspiracy theories, then, is totally undeserved.


Lets define just what a conspiracy is, something that virtually
all people already have a general sense of.

 The main element of a criminal conspiracy
is simply two or more people getting together (they don't have to physically
meet or utter any magic words-all that is required is a "meeting of the minds," which
can be proved by the circumstantial evidence of their words and/or conduct) and agreeing
to commit a crime. (To the ever suspicious conspiracy theorists, the definition of a
conspiracy is two people talking to each other on a street corner.)

 For a conspiracy to
exist under the law, the prosecutor has to prove one additional element of the crime of
conspiracy: that at least one member of the conspiracy committed some "overt act" to
carry out the object of the conspiracy (the overt act doesn't have to be unlawful; e.g., in
a conspiracy to commit a bank robbery, buying gas for the getaway car would suffice).
The purpose of this requirement is to allow the individuals who have agreed to commit
the crime an opportunity to terminate the agreement before any decisive action is taken
in furtherance of it. Once a conspiracy is formed, under the vicarious liability theory of
conspiracy each member of the conspiracy is criminally responsible for all crimes committed
by the eo-conspirators to further the object of the conspiracy, whether or not
they themselves committed the crimes. Hence, if A and B conspire to rob a bank or burglarize
a home or murder John Jones, and A commits the robbery or burglary or murder
while B is in Madagascar playing volleyball, B is equally criminally responsible for the
robbery, burglary, or murder. And if, for instance, A and B conspire to rob a bank, and A
kills the bank teller who resists the robbery, B (whether driving the getaway car or playing
in Madagascar) is responsible not just for the robbery, the only thing B agreed to,
but also the murder, since the murder was committed by A "to further the object of the
conspiracy," which was robbery.
The belief in conspiracy (derived from the Latin word conspirare, "to breathe
together") has appealed to those of liberal as well as conservative mind, to the uneducated
as well as the intellectual elite," and has been with humanity-if not in name, then
in the sensing of it-since the beginning of time. Witness, for example, the title of a 1798
book by one John Robison, a professor of natural philosophy who was the secretary to the
Royal Society of Edinburgh: Proofs Of A Conspiracy Against All The Religions And Governments
Of Europe, Carried On In The Secret Meetings Of Free Masons, Illuminati, And
Reading Societies.
When the term conspiracy is applied by one group of people to another (e.g., by Hitler's
regime to those in the Third Reich trying to kill him and thereby end the Second World
War), the emphasis is always on the hidden, the concealed, not that which is in the open.
No one would have said that the Ku Klux Klan was "conspiring" against blacks, or that
today's political parties (Democrat and Republican) are "conspiring" against each other.


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Posted: 5/25/2012 3:16:04 PM
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One thing is certain and that is the benefits of prescription drugs.

Imagine a world without

Insulin
Antibiotics
Vaccines
Hypotensives
Anti platlet and other anticoagulants
Anti Arrhythmic
Anti Epilepsy drugs
Drugs for cancer
Drugs for Neurotic and Psychotic drugs

the list goes on and on.

Be thankful for prescription drugs, the benefits vastly outweigh the risks


Yeah no garbage u only list the good one that help people!!!! Hes talking about the drugs that are highly addictive and ruin peoples lives and are prescribed by thousands and thousands of docs per day u geek!
GEEEEZZZ
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One more thing... and im sure there will be some people that agree with me..... STICK TO HOTTIES BMA!!!!!!! Everything else u post is RUBBISH! RUBBISH RUBBISH. you are so in love with the gov its so funny and sad at the same time. you are the people that are so gullible and can only post link after link that is only RUBBISH. PLEASE just stick to the photography bma!!!! PLEASE.
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Yeah no garbage u only list the good one that help people!!!! Hes talking about the drugs that are highly addictive and ruin peoples lives and are prescribed by thousands and thousands of docs per day u geek!
GEEEEZZZ


It's called informed consent.
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Everything is exposed within time. The doubters and skeptics only do so because they are ignorant and can't accept the truth because it scares them.

Most people will stare the truth in the face and deny it because it will change the comfort zone of their current reality. People never change until they have to, usually once we have no choice.

The wheels are in motion. This is the information age, all the bullshit from the elites will soon end. The Masses can't stay asleep forever.
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