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Author:	[Poker] Topic: how would you have played this hand
CrusCrnshw	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
MVP Joined: May 2005 Posts: 15756 Location: Tokelau	#1 Posted: 7/31/2009 2:36:01 PM Good friend of mine is playing in the Mohegan Main Event 2k buy in...193k first place... down to 43 people..top 30 make money. he has about 120k... 33 from BB...guy right next to button makes it 12k (2-4k blinds)... friend calls... flop K53...check check turn was a 10...friend leads out with set...guy pushes him all in...he waits about 15 sec's and calls... guy shows set of 5's...knocked out. do you definitely make this call preflop? he is a fairly aggressive player so I can understand he might make things happen more than I would if he missed the flop, but I question it SLIGHTLY... i dont like the AI buy the other guy who had him covered (about 190k) because what is my friend calling with..he isnt calling with KQ or KJ at that pt...only 1 hand that he really could call with and lose thats 33...
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TRAIN69	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BetOnline.ag \|
Legend Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 30192 Location: Missouri	#2 Posted: 7/31/2009 4:43:53 PM sometimes you're just beat.....doesnt matter how goog you are or play....after that flop you can not get away from that hand.....calling with a small pocket pair is not a bad decision...he got the exact flop he wanted....or not in this case.... poker just sucks sometimes.....
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dillon24	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Captain Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 8739 Location: Netherlands	#3 Posted: 7/31/2009 6:09:38 PM set over a set is probably the hardest laydown to ever make. no straight or flush showing, its almost impossible to laydown
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samuelsosa	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
All-Star Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10684 Location: United States	#4 Posted: 8/3/2009 6:02:57 AM He was BB and that was 4k....it was another 8k to him which is 1/15th of his stack...... with 33 ill put in 1/15th of my stack to hit a set..... he got the flop he wanted but just ran into bad luck... SURE you can fold there but I dont think you can fault yourself like "damn I fucked up" ....
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thecrisp9	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BetJamaica.com \|
Banned Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 409 Location: Nevada	#5 Posted: 8/3/2009 8:46:18 PM he made the right call preflop. getting good pot odds with 33 in the bigblind. there is hardly anyone who can predict he has a higher set there without many draws on the board. thats poker though.
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AceDeuceShipIt	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BookMaker \|
Covers Rehab Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 559 Location: Texas	#6 Posted: 8/3/2009 10:39:04 PM you will go broke on that hand every single time you are playing against someone who has you covered...I would have probably mucked pre-flop...can't expect to get paid with 33 unless you make your set, ontop of that he was out of position - tough break tho HINDSIGHT is 20/20
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Crashdavis565	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: 5Dimes \|
All-Star Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10293 Location: Colorado	#7 Posted: 8/4/2009 1:06:52 AM 8:1 to flop the set....figure if he does it he wins the hand and knocks the guy out maybe making 10:1 on his money.... What the darn , good call , well played ....welcome to the world of poker. Ask you friend this..... Say he has jj and he decides to call the flop looking to shove if no overs come..... Flop comes 2 J K rainbow....... Guy shoves and he calls and the guy shows KK, is he going to feel like he played it bad? Nah, this is why poker keeps everyone up at night. Gotta call, set over set just sucks....... Unless you have the big set!!!! Crash
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Captain Joined: May 2005 Posts: 5882 Location:	#8 Posted: 8/4/2009 3:18:34 AM he was just destined to go broke on the hand. Can't get away from it once he flopped the set. He could've chucked the hand before the flop, I have done that before, trying to stay in the tourney, but you do have to gamble at some point. Those small pairs are easy to get away from if you miss the flop, while a Big pair is very hard to fold if you have an overpair. Someone could have a lower set, 2 pair, or a really good draw, but it is really hard to fold AA, KK, QQ, etc when you have an overpair.
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DannoDanger	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 3500 Location: New Jersey	#9 Posted: 8/4/2009 8:29:27 AM I would've folded preflop, but I'm a nit. I just don't like playing 33 out of position.
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HutchEmAll	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Legend Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 35080 Location: Minnesota	#10 Posted: 8/4/2009 12:35:38 PM You can make an argument to fold pre-flop, but once he was in the hand, he was destined to go broke. He's getting 2:1 on his money and that guy could have been raising with any 2 cards....I think the odds are in his favor to call. But as an earlier poster said, playing 3-3 out of position in the BB is not an easy task unless you flop a set. If you don't hit, you're likely checking and then having to deal with a continuation bet....then you have to decide what to do there.
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HutchEmAll	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Legend Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 35080 Location: Minnesota	#11 Posted: 8/4/2009 12:37:27 PM I do think the guy with 5-5 should not have pushed all in....his hand was too strong and it's almost impossible for the guy in the BB to have K-K and not to have raised pre-flop. He was lucky the guy with 3-3 hit his set so he got paid off.
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Rookie Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 890 Location: Canada	#12 Posted: 8/8/2009 5:45:52 PM It's just a cold deck, no way can he get away from that when he has 30BB to start. Nothing wrong with the discounted call pre flop from the BB. There may have been a backdoor flush out there on the turn which affects villain's play.
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wizardofroz	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BetJamaica.com \|
Captain Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 5326 Location: Kentucky	#13 Posted: 8/10/2009 4:21:07 AM Whether or not to call the original raise was a tough decision. But once he flopped the set of 3s, he was stuck. Nothing he can do with set over set. I'll take that flop any day with 33, and your friend was just extremely unlucky in that scenario. I have ZERO problems with the way he played the hand.
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wizardofroz	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BetJamaica.com \|
Captain Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 5326 Location: Kentucky	#14 Posted: 8/10/2009 4:24:40 AM And after analyzing your post, your friend was being somewhat of a douche for waiting 15 seconds to call the opponent's all-in reraise. His hand could only be beat by a higher set, so your friend should have made an INSTANT call. Kind of bush league, even though he lost the hand anyway.
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soupnazi99	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Rookie Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 576 Location:	#15 Posted: 8/20/2009 12:08:25 PM I think the hand was played the way 90% of people would play it. I think it was an easy call pre-flop for just $8,000 more. Impossible to get away from after the flop, just tough luck.
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