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Posted: 3/26/2012 1:51:19 PM
So, is it that hard to use his DOB and the day he passed away to know what age he passed at?

In a way, I like this confusion, because it is totally irrelevant, but shows the constant increasing confusion in all aspects of the Boxing World? Bert Sugar himself would be honored to know that almost all major papers and sites are split on his age at his time of death.
His passing is unfortunate , but for a man who lived and loved boxing, Bert Sugar even said that it's not boxing if controversy fails to exist!
Way to go Bert! Personally I disagreed about many of his opinions, but that's the beauty of life and to each is own!

While he rests in peace, the judges and officials are doing a recount to get the correct age of his death... I think that in a sad situation, the irony in this matter is one that he would be proud of, because although he wasn't a fighter and never had the chance for a great controversy in the ring, he closed the show with every other headline states... "A blow landed in the boxing world as...
either "Bert Sugar dies at age 74."
or "Bert Sugar dies at age 75."

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Posted: 3/26/2012 2:47:31 PM
archie moore style(as no one really knew how old he was when he died either), I am sure bert is getting a kick out of that one as we speak.  I always loved this guys opinion's on fighters from the past, he was an entertaining guy all the way, kind of reminds me of george foreman in that way as I didn't always agree with what he said but it was the way he said it that was always captivating, you could see the passion that he had, bert was someone that reminded me a lot of the guys that were around during boxing's golden ages (1920-50), he had that type of aura about him.   me and a couple of other fighters from canada actually had lunch with bert at the boxing hall of fame a couple of years ago, when I was just an amateur(  I remember that we had some of carmen basilio's sausage's, which were top notch)  It was like stepping into a time machine talking to bert, he will be missed by the sport as he was truly one of a kind
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Posted: 3/26/2012 3:23:42 PM
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Posted: 3/26/2012 4:02:58 PM
RIP BERT  !!!
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Posted: 3/26/2012 5:59:34 PM
I have to stop by the Hall of Fame friday. I asked anyone on here if they wanted pics, something from Graziano's restaurant and museum, or any of the local stuff. I had an many original posters of 60s, 70s, 80s at the old gym I trained at. I owned half of them, but left them. I had a large one, and huge photo of Carmen Basilio with him writing a letter to my former trainer. I still have the Marciano punch, and I'm looking for my Sugar Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran I & II. I had a few closed circuit events before PPV and I had the Leonard vs Hagler and I remember the 9th Round the cable went out in our area. I was at a small bar my parents bought several years later. Everyone thought it was the TV, or just the connection we had hooked up, but it was the area. They also didn't give any credit or refunds... these cable companies are basically monopolies but now unlike previously, satellite allows the alternative. In Vegas it's Cox Communication, East Coast and NY you can have Time Warner Cable and lately, every channel freezes and bubbles up. They are blaming sun spots (we are actually receiving the largest storm over the next few years that could technically wipe out Earth's electricity.
Back to Sugar... I never personally met him, although we have common friends and sat besides him in the early 2000s. The guy was charismatic, which kept him in the business for decades. Unfortunately, his handicapping skills were par which is strange for a guy who received much attention.
People don't understand that his rankings that receive severe criticism had a slightly different value system. Soul... like you said he was somewhat a Golden Age type historian. I actually thought he was around 80 or so. His rankings, especially his lbs-for-lbs, was heavy on the heavyweights.
So, by this manner you can tell he ranked also by how much media generation and interest fighters brought to the sports, and as we all know, only until this past decade, Heavyweight Title Fights (especially undisputed multi-belt or all of them from way back) were the main attraction. The highest revenue prior to 2000 for a non-heavyweight bout earned $71.4 million when Oscar De La Hoya suffered his first defeat to FĂ©lix Trinidad in a very controversial bout.
Soul.. George was a real piece of work. He contradicted himself 2 to 3 times.... PER ROUND. This was due to his excitement, and his compassion for fighters to keep it close and exciting.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 2:58:52 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ZOUK:

So, is it that hard to use his DOB and the day he passed away to know what age he passed at?

In a way, I like this confusion, because it is totally irrelevant, but shows the constant increasing confusion in all aspects of the Boxing World? Bert Sugar himself would be honored to know that almost all major papers and sites are split on his age at his time of death.
His passing is unfortunate , but for a man who lived and loved boxing, Bert Sugar even said that it's not boxing if controversy fails to exist!
Way to go Bert! Personally I disagreed about many of his opinions, but that's the beauty of life and to each is own!

While he rests in peace, the judges and officials are doing a recount to get the correct age of his death... I think that in a sad situation, the irony in this matter is one that he would be proud of, because although he wasn't a fighter and never had the chance for a great controversy in the ring, he closed the show with every other headline states... "A blow landed in the boxing world as...
either "Bert Sugar dies at age 74."
or "Bert Sugar dies at age 75."




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Posted: 3/27/2012 2:19:47 PM
Thanks!
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