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Posted: 5/18/2012 4:06:06 PM
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Why do you, the media, and the politicians, so callously demean, and ignore the cries for truth by the 911 families for 911 truth? Why does the government and the media ignore these Americans? Every time mobs of the 911 families confront the politicians, they are ignored? WHY? Why doesn’t the government just give the 3,000 families the open trial they want with all the evidence presented?

The 911 families for 911 truth have their own architects and engineers. The government has their own architects and engineers. They counter each other. Until the 911 families get their open trial and get the evidence, they want to go public, I will continue to side with the 911 families. I will not believe any side 100 percent until all of the evidence that the government is withholding is presented. The evidence the government has belongs to the people.

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Posted: 5/18/2012 4:31:14 PM
"The 911 families for 911 truth have their own architects and engineers. The government has their own architects and engineers. They counter each other."


This is where I think you are in error, MoneySRH. Just because two sides have experts doesn't mean they cancel each other out. You have to review the qualifications of the various experts but more importantly, their actual opinions need to be examined to determine who is more credible.

Money, I asked these questions to the conspiracy advocates in post #147 -- how would you respond to these inquiries?

1. If a giant conspiracy, why has no one ever gone public with their involvement?

2. If a giant conspiracy, what happened to the people who were on the flight that "did not" crash into the Pentagon?

3. If a giant conspiracy, how many people would have needed to have been involved to pull it off?

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Posted: 5/18/2012 6:23:01 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

"The 911 families for 911 truth have their own architects and engineers. The government has their own architects and engineers. They counter each other."


This is where I think you are in error, MoneySRH. Just because two sides have experts doesn't mean they cancel each other out. You have to review the qualifications of the various experts but more importantly, their actual opinions need to be examined to determine who is more credible.

Money, I asked these questions to the conspiracy advocates in post #147 -- how would you respond to these inquiries?

1. If a giant conspiracy, why has no one ever gone public with their involvement?

2. If a giant conspiracy, what happened to the people who were on the flight that "did not" crash into the Pentagon?

3. If a giant conspiracy, how many people would have needed to have been involved to pull it off?

Who is to decide who is more qualified and who is to decide if they are considered credible?

The government is the one who started this controversy. If the 911 families had just been given their public trail with all the evidence laid out for the public to see there would be no controversy.

I’m guessing maybe a few people in the world were involved. A few involved must have been killed and threatened with death and the death of their families. I could have been in the room and witnessed the plan myself and would have kept my mouth shut, I will not risk my family’s life for no one. There are questions as to how many people actually died that day. Type in fake 911 victims and you will scratch your head.

Answer these questions kaponofor3…

Why do you, the media, and the politicians, so callously demean, and ignore the cries for truth by the 911 families for 911 truth? Why does the government and the media ignore these Americans? Every time mobs of the 911 families confront the politicians, they are ignored? WHY? Why doesn’t the government just give the 3,000 families the open trial they want with all the evidence presented?

The 911 families for 911 truth have their own architects and engineers and are the victims of that day. Let the families for 911 truth have their lawyers, architects and engineers at their side for a open public trail and let the government have their representatives and lets see who is telling the truth. If the government is innocent then I see no reason for them to be afraid if they are telling the truth, right?

Why haven’t the 911 families been told the answers the want to hear? Why has every government official and politician denied them? Why are the victim’s families not allowed to have hands on look of the remnants of that day? Why are the families and the American people denied the right to see the 10 known surveillance tapes that the pentagon has of the alleged plane hitting?

Why are police officers, firefighters, and American citizens saying they saw a van filled with explosives, demolition explosions, and a plane with no windows that looks like a military aircraft hit the towers that day? Why would these American citizens lie about what they heard and saw? Ask yourself another question, why has the government been so uncooperative with the families for 911 truth?

I’ll use former governor, navy seal, and Ron Paul supporter Jesse Ventura to make the case…  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6bPwZJ1ZO8

I’m just like Jesse Ventura asking questions and wanting answers. I just want everything laid out for all to see.

I’m not taking sides.
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"Who is to decide who is more qualified and who is to decide if they are considered credible?"

Generally the trier of fact -- in this case, I think it would be you and I.

"The government is the one who started this controversy. If the 911 families had just been given their public trail with all the evidence laid out for the public to see there would be no controversy."

What is the evidence that you believe to not have been released for the public -- is it just the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon that you think has been withheld?

"I’m guessing maybe a few people in the world were involved. A few involved must have been killed and threatened with death and the death of their families. I could have been in the room and witnessed the plan myself and would have kept my mouth shut, I will not risk my family’s life for no one. There are questions as to how many people actually died that day. Type in fake 911 victims and you will scratch your head. "

The problem with your theory regarding this is that the government couldn't keep a secret to save its life. The scale of coordination to pull this off, if a conspiracy and not what the "official story" is, is staggering -- you're talking in the hundreds of people. And I am to believe that not one person of those hundreds wouldn't come forward, even if albeit on their deathbed to clear their conscience? I find that highly unlikely. How many people (ballpark estimate) do you think would have to be involved to pull this conspiracy off? I put it in the range of at least 80-150 people to do it successfully.

I note SRH that you did not answer my queries about where the people who were on the flight that "crashed" into the Pentagon are currently if they did not, in fact, die in a crash into the Pentagon. It's a pretty straightforward question that needs to be addressed, IMO, by those advocating that the official story is not legitimate.

"Answer these questions kaponofor3…"

I will do my best to answer every question you pose in my next post below -- would you agree to answer my three questions then that I posed to you?
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"Why do you, the media, and the politicians, so callously demean, and ignore the cries for truth by the 911 families for 911 truth? Why does the government and the media ignore these Americans? Every time mobs of the 911 families confront the politicians, they are ignored? WHY? Why doesn’t the government just give the 3,000 families the open trial they want with all the evidence presented?"

I do not speak for the media or politicians or "the government", so that I do not know. I don't callously demean anyone -- the fact that I tend to think that the "official story" is most likely the true story in no way demeans those who disagree, unless they are hyper-sensitive.

If I were speculating, I would say the government doesn't provide them with an "open trial" because (a) who would be on trial?; (b) a large investigation and report was already generated with the government's findings; and (c) those within the government may believe that no matter what evidence they present at trial, those who believe in the conspiracy will not change their mind as they have already reached a pre-determined conclusion about what they believe happened.


"The 911 families for 911 truth have their own architects and engineers and are the victims of that day. Let the families for 911 truth have their lawyers, architects and engineers at their side for a open public trail and let the government have their representatives and lets see who is telling the truth. If the government is innocent then I see no reason for them to be afraid if they are telling the truth, right?"

Who would the open trial be against? Who would be the trier of fact? And again, what is the likelihood that those who believe in the conspiracy would in fact be willing to examine the government's evidence in a legitimate light as opposed to immediately dismissing it out of hand as fabricated given their inherent distrust of the government to date?

"Why are police officers, firefighters, and American citizens saying they saw a van filled with explosives, demolition explosions, and a plane with no windows that looks like a military aircraft hit the towers that day? Why would these American citizens lie about what they heard and saw? Ask yourself another question, why has the government been so uncooperative with the families for 911 truth?"

I have no idea why certain eye witnesses would say they saw certain things. I was not present at the site that day and don't know what they did or did not see. I cannot speculate as to why people would lie, although I would note to you that eyewitness testimony can often be unreliable as various social studies have shown. Multiple people can watch the exact same event at the exact same time and could be interviewed within 5 minutes of the event and have entirely different recollections of what happened. There is hard science behind that idea.

"I’m just like Jesse Ventura asking questions and wanting answers. I just want everything laid out for all to see."

I don't know if I agree with that analogy, SRH. It seems like your mind is pretty made up, and its made up in the sense that you do not believe the official story as stated by the government and no amount of evidence could convince you otherwise.
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Posted: 5/18/2012 10:29:25 PM
Kaponofor3,

Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura The 9/11 Pentagon Cover up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqsqnRLx5qM

Watch this video. It proves that NO one could have attacked the pentagon with an airplane. Even pilots say it was impossible for a plane to hit the pentagon and that’s not an opinion…that’s a FACT! That calls from the alleged plane that crashed in to the pentagon were impossible to make.

1. Fear of death of themselves and their families. You’re theory that you would stand up and let it be known is BS. NO ONE would risk their families lives. I’m not a martyr for my government and if you did come out with evidence they will label you crazy anyway.

2. You asked what happened to the passengers on flight 77. That is the trillion-dollar question. I have searched everywhere to find an answer. The only thing I could find was theories of the passengers being taken to another location and being held prisoner. Another was that the passengers were just created by the government and people are paid actors. Another was that the passengers were killed by black water. Another is that the people were given second identities.

All of these theories sound crazy but if you think about it, it is not that crazy at all. All you have to do is label them crazy truthers and no one believes you. The government has done a really good job at that. If anyone comes out with evidence that it was an inside job no one will listen or take them seriously. All people have to say is that they are a crazy truther and they are automatically dismissed. Quite a brilliant strategy if you think about it. A lot less people have to die if you just label them crazy. If the government would just release the pentagon tapes, this whole thing would disappear.

Seventy-five of the passengers had connections with the Pentagon; not only on flight 77 but also on all the other flights and 16 of the passengers on flight 77 were retired navy, marines, national security, technicians, architects, national defense, military physicists, scientists, and engineers. They were able to man handle people with these credentials with box cutters and knifes?

3. If 19 cavemen could hijack airplanes and be trained by other cavemen to execute the most precise and calculated attack on US soil. Then I would estimate maybe less than 20 government officials. It’s not that hard if you think about it. OBL did all the work. All the government officials had to do was look the other way.

The trial would be directed at those responsible, the united states government. The same people who created the 911 commission report, the CIA, the FBI, the department of homeland security, the house, and senate. Every single politician and government official should stand trial in front of all of the 911 families and their lawyers, architects and engineers and answer all of their questions. I want to see if the governments lawyers, architects, and engineers can stand up to scrutiny of the 911 families own lawyers, architects and engineers.

This country belongs to the people and we are the bosses of all of those in government. They must stand in front of those families and answer all of their questions. My first question would be “Why was all of the evidence picked up in 24 hours and shipped and destroyed? My second would be “Who eradicates a crime scene and uses some of the crime scene to make military parts?” My third would be “Where are the 84 pentagon surveillance tapes? Why did it take 5 years of scrutiny to release just one of those 84 tapes?

You would think that the government would want the conspiracy people to be discredited by releasing all 84 tapes so the theory of missile could be put to rest. Why was only one tape released and why is the most advanced military in the world have such a low quality tape released?” Doesn’t matter if the government thinks it’s pointless because some of the answers won’t satisfy some of the families. That’s the most ridiculous response ever. Just like the idea by hutch’em all that the American people need a law that says we can question the government or see the pentagon tapes because there is no law that says we have that right.

That’s bullshit because we the people are their bosses. If the people tell the government to jump, the answer should be how high? I was just like everyone else. I thought truthers were nuts. Then I found out 911 families created the movement and had their own architects, engineers, pilots, police and firefighters etc…one their side. I started out 100 percent behind the government and then stuck at 50/50 after seeing all the evidence the 911 families for 911 truth had to present. The government has to prove to me that no crime occurred and they haven’t done that. All the government has done is act suspicious with everything they have done.

For a government that says there’re innocent… they sure act like they’re guilty of something. It’s sad to see gullible sheep take the government at their word. It’s up to us the citizens of this country to hold the government’s feet to the flames and I believe we have failed at that as a nation. The people used to be revolutionaries but now I see Americans have turned into yes men sheep.
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3. If 19 cavemen could hijack airplanes and be trained by other cavemen to execute the most precise and calculated attack on US soil. Then I would estimate maybe less than 20 government officials. It’s not that hard if you think about it. OBL did all the work. All the government officials had to do was look the other way.






al Qaeda
  • leaders able to evaluate, approve, and supervise the planning and direction of a major operation;
  • a personnel system that could recruit candidates, indoctrinate them, vet them, and give them the necessary training;
  • communications sufficient to enable planning and direction of operatives and those who would be helping them;
  • an intelligence effort to gather required information and form assessments of enemy strengths and weaknesses;
  • the ability to move people great distances; and
  • the ability to raise and move the money necessary to finance an attack.

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1. Fear of death of themselves and their families. You’re theory that you would stand up and let it be known is BS. NO ONE would risk their families lives. I’m not a martyr for my government and if you did come out with evidence they will label you crazy anyway.

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This has many inherent weaknesses, just one of which is that once someone has already told his story, the cat, as the expression goes, "is already out of the bag."

So Money SRH, the threat of death to you or your family has no clout, because once you spill the beans, killing anyone is useless.

this is also funny
A common excuse for no one coming out who was part of this so called  9/11 conspiracy is they fear death. If you analyze the argument carefully you realize they are debunking themselves. Why would even people in the military be more fearful of exposing this than the common conspiracy theorists behind a computer monitor? Either they don't believe what they're saying or they actually think they are more fearless than the thousands of others who would have had to be "in on it". As if people in the CIA or FBI couldn't figure out how to get the message out if they wanted to without exposing who they are. People, dates, places, memos and other evidence could easily be disseminated to the public without exposing who they are. The only reason they claim the people are paralyzed with fear is because they have too in order for the conspiracy story to work.





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3. If 19 cavemen could hijack airplanes and be trained by other cavemen to execute the most precise and calculated attack on US soil. Then I would estimate maybe less than 20 government officials. It’s not that hard if you think about it. OBL did all the work. All the government officials had to do was look the other way.
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How many laid charges and detonated the buildings

How many scattered aircraft debris at Pentagon

How many involved in firing the missile

How many at NIST involved in producing fraudulent report stating the buildings were not brought down by explosion

How many covered up the missing missile from the armory

this list can go on and on

it would involve thousands, and don't argue that the demolition crews did not know what they were doing.





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what was the plan if the missile fired at the Pentagon failed to explode,

it happens.

Some one would have scooped it up and taken it away.

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what don't you understand about this



peripheral figures in any conspiracy would be more likely to come forward because their limited role would not result in serious punishment-in fact, most likely no punishment at all because of a plea bargain in which they'd have to name higher-ups. And their inducement would be considerable financial rewards (books, TV movies based on their disclosures, etc.). And mere informants, who wouldn't be exposed to any legally adverse consequences, would only have financial rewards for coming forward.



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  can you see this



Watergate

With the most powerful office in the world at stake, a small band of hand-picked loyalists [of President Richard Nixon] ... could not hold a conspiracy together for more than two weeks.
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Bush admin. couldn't even keep their lame revenge against Valarie Plame and Joe Wilson secret, but they pulled 9/11 off without a hitch.
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as former Nixon aide G. Gordon Liddy once said (and he should know!), the problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can’t keep their mouths shut
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The consequences of our gov't getting caught executing a plot to murder it's own citizens are far worse than the gov't getting caught lying about a war

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In the JFK assassination case , we saw that although only a few members of the FBI's Dallas office were involved, they were unable to keep secret their effort to suppress Oswald's leaving a threatening note at the Dallas office about ten days or so before the assassination.
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Somehow or other the information gets out, and it does so rather quickly, whether induced by one's conscience, as in a death-bed confession, or through a former wife or mistress, or inadvertently, or simply because people can't keep their mouths shut.t
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Bradley Manning, the US soldier accused of spilling a massive trove of military secrets to WikiLeaks
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All Foreign spies failed to pick up any intelligence of a 9/11 conspiracy
One of America's top spies

Hank Crumpton, who served as deputy director of the CIA's Counter-Terrorism Center and led the U.S. response to 9/11

speaking to '60 Minutes'

'I would hazard to guess there are more foreign intelligence officers inside the U.S. working against U.S. interests now than even at the height of the Cold War. It's a critical issue.'

Speaking about the amount of foreign spies on U.S. soil,he told CBS


: 'If you look at the threat that is imposed upon our nation every day, some of the major nation states - China in particular - have very sophisticated intelligence operations, very aggressive operations against the U.S.






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 "The 911 families for 911 truth have their own architects and engineers. The government has their own architects and engineers. They counter each other."


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you keep quoting 911 families for 911 truth

please provide a link to this actual group, so we can see which families they represent,and see all their views

lets see what proportion of families they represent.
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please provide a a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers , citing a controlled demolition.
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I have previously supplied names and qualifications of NIST team



please provide names of
"The 911 families for 911 truth have their own architects and engineers

and we still await the web site of this
911 families for 911 truth organisation, link from you
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Listen to your President

He would have much more than you to gain from a Conspiracy Theory and unlike you he has the most powerful office in the world and can access information that you could not begin to imagine.

This is what your President had to say.

24 September 2010
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In an exclusive interview with the BBC's Persian TV service, US President Barack Obama has condemned as "hateful" and "offensive" the claim by Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that most people believed the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks.


Q: If I could just begin with getting your reaction to the remarks Mr Ahmadinejad made yesterday, faulting America for 9/11.

A: Well, it was offensive. It was hateful. And particularly for him to make the statement here in Manhattan, just a little north of Ground Zero. Where families lost their loved ones. People of all faiths, all ethnicities who, you know, see this as the seminal tragedy of this generation.

For him to make a statement like that was inexcusable. And it stands in contrast with the response of the Iranian people when 9/11 happened.

When there were candlelit vigils and I think a natural sense of shared humanity and sympathy was expressed within Iran.

And it just shows once again sort of the the difference between how the Iranian leadership and this regime operates and how I think the vast majority of the Iranian people who are respectful and thoughtful think about these issues.

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I agree with the President that it is "hateful" and "offensive"

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listen to Bill Clinton
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    Early in his speech, Clinton was sporadically heckled. One heckler shouted that 9/11 was a fraud, and Clinton bristled. "No, it wasn't a fraud. I'll be glad to talk about it if you'll shut up and let me talk." The heckling continued, and he told another heckler "these people did not come here to hear you speak. If you don't have any self-control, we can deal with that."

    When a third called 9/11 an "inside job," Clinton snapped back "How dare you? I live in New York, and I know who did that. You guys have got to be careful, or you're going to give Minnesota a bad reputation."
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can you provide a link to an official government website where there is a statement declaring 84 unreleased Pentagon videos

alternatively could you provide a link to a quality USA newspaper for a news release and story on unreleased 84 tapes. A link to the Washington Post, USA Today, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, etc
so that we can read about that non release of those tapes.

If it can't be collaborated then please


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try to to mislead and deceive by trying to claim others have done a thorough investigation of the 9/11 buildings collapse that can be compared with the NIST report

please don't compare the NIST report with those that the truthers produce


There is simply no comparison
NIST conducted

an extremely thorough three-year investigation that included consideration of a number of hypotheses for the collapses of the WTC towers.

Some 200 technical experts

—including about 85 career NIST experts

and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia

—reviewed tens of thousands of documents,

interviewed more than 1,000 people,

reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage

and 7,000 photographs,

analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage

, performed laboratory tests,

and created sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.



you fail to understand this




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9/11: Blueprint For Truth architects and engineers for 911 truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vb7o-OOe20

I know you won't watch anyway. Just like the other two 911 movies that poke holes in your indoctrinated brain.

What part of the National Institute of Standards and Technology is funded by the US government don’t you understand? I could also counter that the government destroyed all the evidence and with the evidence that was left over is what the NIST used. Therefore, it was inconclusive.

Your idea is for people to release evidence on a computer, and that’s going to keep you safe from the most advanced military power in the world? On top of that, your idea is to blackmail or expose the most powerful and sophisticated military in the world and expect to get away with it?

They’ve done simulations with actual pilots to see if what the 911 commission said was possible and it was proven that it couldn’t be done. It’s been proven without a doubt that it is impossible for a plane to attack the pentagon. There isn’t a pilot ALIVE that could strike the pentagon.

Your going to use Watergate I’ll use…BMA, The Untied States was an ally of Saddam Hussein. The United States supplied Saddam Hussein with economic aid, counter-insurgency training, operational intelligence, and weapons.

The United States military and the CIA are using US soldiers to guard poppy fields. The CIA supported the mujahideen, who were allies with Osama Bin Laden, spending the taxpayers' money, billions of dollars of it over the years, on buying arms, ammunition, and equipment.

Project Monarch, Project ARTICHOKE, Project MKULTRA, Operation Mockingbird, Operation Midnight Climax, Edgewood Arsenal experiments, and Operation Northwoods. The United States government is one sick a twisted organization.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are poising people and giving vaccines that have formaldehyde and can cause cancer. There is poison in the food and water. The United States government, especially the Central Intelligence Agency, United States military and federal or military corporations performed millions of experiments. The experiments include: the deliberate infection of people with deadly or debilitating diseases, exposure of people to biological and chemical weapons, human radiation experiments, injection of people with toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation/torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many tests were performed on United States soldiers, children, and the sick and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment.” In many of the studies, large portions of the subjects were poor racial minorities or prisoners.

The trial would be directed at those responsible, the united states government. The same people who created the 911 commission report, the CIA, the FBI, the department of homeland security, the house, and senate. Every single politician and government official should stand trial in front of all of the 911 families and their lawyers, architects and engineers and answer all of their questions. I want to see if the governments lawyers, architects, and engineers can stand up to scrutiny of the 911 families own lawyers, architects and engineers.

This country belongs to the people and we are the bosses of all of those in government. They must stand in front of those families and answer all of their questions. Why not give them them trial?

Seventy-five percent of the passengers had connections with the military and the Pentagon; not only on flight 77 but also on all the other flights and 16 of the passengers on flight 77 were retired navy, marines, national security, technicians, architects, national defense, military physicists, scientists, and engineers. They were able to man handle people with these credentials with box cutters and knifes?

No black boxes were ever recovered for the first time in history.

A scientist concluded that there was thermite in the air at the WTC.

The evidence was destroyed in a week. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html
Who destroys a crime scene?

Al Qaeda – an intelligent organization that’s made up of cave dwellers that wear sandals but they were able to orchestrate the most sophisticated attack on the US.

The pentagon video timestamp is wrong? The time stamp on the Pentagon security camera says Sep 12 at 5:37 pm.

The most protected, advanced and sophisticated militarized area in the world only had 1 video angle and you believe this? There are at least 10 known cameras that were spotted on that side of the building. Why was only one tape released and why is the most advanced military in the world have such a low quality tape released?

Just like all 911 believers, all you guys do is dismiss everything. I expect no response to what I have posted. I expect 10 posts with nothing but government BS and no responses to the points I just made on this post.
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9/11: Blueprint For Truth architects and engineers for 911 truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vb7o-OOe20

I know you won't watch anyway. Just like the other two 911 movies that poke holes in your indoctrinated brain.

What part of the National Institute of Standards and Technology is funded by the US government don’t you understand? I could also counter that the government destroyed all the evidence and with the evidence that was left over is what the NIST used. Therefore, it was inconclusive.

Your idea is for people to release evidence on a computer, and that’s going to keep you safe from the most advanced military power in the world? On top of that, your idea is to blackmail or expose the most powerful and sophisticated military in the world and expect to get away with it?

They’ve done simulations with actual pilots to see if what the 911 commission said was possible and it was proven that it couldn’t be done. It’s been proven without a doubt that it is impossible for a plane to attack the pentagon. There isn’t a pilot ALIVE that could strike the pentagon.

Your going to use Watergate I’ll use…BMA, The Untied States was an ally of Saddam Hussein. The United States supplied Saddam Hussein with economic aid, counter-insurgency training, operational intelligence, and weapons.

The United States military and the CIA are using US soldiers to guard poppy fields. The CIA supported the mujahideen, who were allies with Osama Bin Laden, spending the taxpayers' money, billions of dollars of it over the years, on buying arms, ammunition, and equipment.

Project Monarch, Project ARTICHOKE, Project MKULTRA, Operation Mockingbird, Operation Midnight Climax, Edgewood Arsenal experiments, and Operation Northwoods. The United States government is one sick a twisted organization.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are poising people and giving vaccines that have formaldehyde and can cause cancer. There is poison in the food and water. The United States government, especially the Central Intelligence Agency, United States military and federal or military corporations performed millions of experiments. The experiments include: the deliberate infection of people with deadly or debilitating diseases, exposure of people to biological and chemical weapons, human radiation experiments, injection of people with toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation/torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many tests were performed on United States soldiers, children, and the sick and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment.” In many of the studies, large portions of the subjects were poor racial minorities or prisoners.

The trial would be directed at those responsible, the united states government. The same people who created the 911 commission report, the CIA, the FBI, the department of homeland security, the house, and senate. Every single politician and government official should stand trial in front of all of the 911 families and their lawyers, architects and engineers and answer all of their questions. I want to see if the governments lawyers, architects, and engineers can stand up to scrutiny of the 911 families own lawyers, architects and engineers.

This country belongs to the people and we are the bosses of all of those in government. They must stand in front of those families and answer all of their questions. Why not give them them trial?

Seventy-five percent of the passengers had connections with the military and the Pentagon; not only on flight 77 but also on all the other flights and 16 of the passengers on flight 77 were retired navy, marines, national security, technicians, architects, national defense, military physicists, scientists, and engineers. They were able to man handle people with these credentials with box cutters and knifes?

No black boxes were ever recovered for the first time in history.

A scientist concluded that there was thermite in the air at the WTC.

The evidence was destroyed in a week. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html
Who destroys a crime scene?

Al Qaeda – an intelligent organization that’s made up of cave dwellers that wear sandals but they were able to orchestrate the most sophisticated attack on the US.

The pentagon video timestamp is wrong? The time stamp on the Pentagon security camera says Sep 12 at 5:37 pm.

The most protected, advanced and sophisticated militarized area in the world only had 1 video angle and you believe this? There are at least 10 known cameras that were spotted on that side of the building. Why was only one tape released and why is the most advanced military in the world have such a low quality tape released?

Just like all 911 believers, all you guys do is dismiss everything. I expect no response to what I have posted. I expect 10 posts with nothing but government BS and no responses to the points I just made on this post.


al Qaeda

    leaders able to evaluate, approve, and supervise the planning and direction of a major operation;

    a personnel system that could recruit candidates, indoctrinate them, vet them, and give them the necessary training;

    communications sufficient to enable planning and direction of operatives and those who would be helping them;

    an intelligence effort to gather required information and form assessments of enemy strengths and weaknesses;

    the ability to move people great distances; and

    the ability to raise and move the money necessary to finance an attack.



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QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

9/11: Blueprint For Truth architects and engineers for 911 truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vb7o-OOe20

I know you won't watch anyway. Just like the other two 911 movies that poke holes in your indoctrinated brain.

What part of the National Institute of Standards and Technology is funded by the US government don’t you understand? I could also counter that the government destroyed all the evidence and with the evidence that was left over is what the NIST used. Therefore, it was inconclusive.

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an extremely thorough three-year investigation that included consideration of a number of hypotheses for the collapses of the WTC towers.

Some 200 technical experts

—including about 85 career NIST experts

and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia

—reviewed tens of thousands of documents,

interviewed more than 1,000 people,

reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage

and 7,000 photographs,

analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage

, performed laboratory tests,

and created sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.
you fail to understand this

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The 13 experts of the NIST Investigation would if there had been a conspiracy produced a fraudulent report


Apparently, then, such distinguished Americans as these experts got together  and all of them agreed, for some ungodly reason, to do the most dishonorable deed imaginable-give organized crime, the CIA, the military-industrial complex, or whoever you believe was behind the 9/11, a free pass in the murder of citizens of United States.



And in the process, not only risk destroying everything they had worked for-their reputation and legacy to their families-but expose themselves to prosecution for the crime of accessory after the fact to murder. Ask yourself this: would any of these investigators, for instance, risk being remembered as an accessory after the fact to the murder of this nation's citizens, one who disgraced himself his country.

Indeed, why would any of the members of the NIST and their staff stake their good reputation on a report they prepared which they knew to be fraudulent
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QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

9/11: Blueprint For Truth architects and engineers for 911 truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vb7o-OOe20

I know you won't watch anyway. Just like the other two 911 movies that poke holes in your indoctrinated brain.

What part of the National Institute of Standards and Technology is funded by the US government don’t you understand? I could also counter that the government destroyed all the evidence and with the evidence that was left over is what the NIST used. Therefore, it was inconclusive.

Your idea is for people to release evidence on a computer, and that’s going to keep you safe from the most advanced military power in the world? On top of that, your idea is to blackmail or expose the most powerful and sophisticated military in the world and expect to get away with it?

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This has many inherent weaknesses, just one of which is that once someone has already told his story, the cat, as the expression goes, "is already out of the bag."

So Money SRH, the threat of death to you or your family has no clout, because once you spill the beans, killing anyone is useless.

this is also funny
A common excuse for no one coming out who was part of this so called  9/11 conspiracy is they fear death. If you analyze the argument carefully you realize they are debunking themselves. Why would even people in the military be more fearful of exposing this than the common conspiracy theorists behind a computer monitor? Either they don't believe what they're saying or they actually think they are more fearless than the thousands of others who would have had to be "in on it". As if people in the CIA or FBI couldn't figure out how to get the message out if they wanted to without exposing who they are. People, dates, places, memos and other evidence could easily be disseminated to the public without exposing who they are. The only reason they claim the people are paralyzed with fear is because they have too in order for the conspiracy story to work.





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