Can someone tell me how affrimative action is not racist

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Posted: 5/28/2012 2:35:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:



You are the one with delusions my friend. You think you know something everyone else doesnt. Black people got/get a raw deal. It sucks for them. What suck even worse is having no pride and selling out your own people.

Let their words, not mine, condemn them.

Above is a post, which is an example of the continued marginalization of the black experience in America by Whites, not only for the present day, but for the nearly four centuries that they've been a part of it.

Usually a 'Raw Deal' is comparable to getting a lemon off a used car lot from a crooked salesman. 

But to people like Train, who have been indoctrinated from birth to both consciously and subconsciously devalue the Black American (which they hardly consider "American" and you see that theme echoed to the highest authority in the Country in the President with the birther attacks).

I wonder if he'll reconsider the definition of a 'Raw Deal' when he considers the following:

- 250 years of domination, exploitation, and subjugation of chattel slavery,

- 100 years of du jour and lawful segregation, 

- having to live among, and have Black men, women and children die, get harassed, live in constant fear and threat of the nation's first true terrorist organization (as it was defined by a federal grand jury in 1870) which found its genesis through the targeting, terrorizing, and lynching of Blacks,

- have the Supreme Court even after alleged "Emancipation" (what does that mean without ample resources?) wait approximately 100 years to determine that Blacks should have equal access to housing, education and health care, three of the most basic necessities of life that whites enjoyed in full all that time (talk about being fashionably late), 

- have that law fail to be enforced; if enforced at all, for decades as their was no adequate monitoring or surveillance of claims of racism and/or outright prejudice within those institutions, with that very law languishing in terms of effectiveness today lacking any real effective oversight ; 

- have all the the greatest leaders of the Black community, not limited to Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and Medgar Evers the three most well known among many, assassinated while fighting for Black Civil Rights in the 1960's (the list of all other Civil Rights leaders/fighters killed is quite lengthy and their deaths quite horrific); 

- have that terrorizing of the Black community not limited to adults but extended to children in 1963 when 4 girls, the oldest 14 and the youngest 11 killed in a church bombing in Alabama that held Civil Rights meetings for Blacks (notice the trend of mass murder around the signing of Civil Rights legislation as Whites ramped up their terrorizing efforts to intimidate and stifle any and all Black autonomy, regardless of age or gender) ; 

- have a drug war started by Nixon and ramped up to full throttle by Reagan that primarily targets Blacks and minorities as whole, a nonviolent crime, imprison many multiples more than any industrialized nation on earth, keeping many within the system under parole (denying them the right to vote, get school loans or employment) and habitually tearing apart the Black community and family as Black men were plucked from mothers/wives/children, all the while the evidence showing that Blacks use, possess and distribute drugs at equal rates compared to whites which again, is outright racism and terrorism of the Black community to support the criminal justice system which pays police, prosecutors and judges and funds Prison Industrial Complex as a whole; 

- all which leads us to the present day which I have spoken about extensively with regard to systematic and institutional inequities in housing, education, employment and health care...ALL of this, because one is Black skinned...


THIS is a "Raw Deal" to people like Train. 

Choose your words carefully Train. You will be held accountable for them...

And yes, it appears I know a little more than you and your ilk on this topic.

In the words of Willy Wonka 
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Posted: 5/28/2012 3:03:09 PM
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,,,,Nail on the head...
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Posted: 5/28/2012 6:07:10 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


Let their words, not mine, condemn them.

Above is a post, which is an example of the continued marginalization of the black experience in America by Whites, not only for the present day, but for the nearly four centuries that they've been a part of it.

Usually a 'Raw Deal' is comparable to getting a lemon off a used car lot from a crooked salesman. 

But to people like Train, who have been indoctrinated from birth to both consciously and subconsciously devalue the Black American (which they hardly consider "American" and you see that theme echoed to the highest authority in the Country in the President with the birther attacks).

I wonder if he'll reconsider the definition of a 'Raw Deal' when he considers the following:

- 250 years of domination, exploitation, and subjugation of chattel slavery,

- 100 years of du jour and lawful segregation, 

- having to live among, and have Black men, women and children die, get harassed, live in constant fear and threat of the nation's first true terrorist organization (as it was defined by a federal grand jury in 1870) which found its genesis through the targeting, terrorizing, and lynching of Blacks,

- have the Supreme Court even after alleged "Emancipation" (what does that mean without ample resources?) wait approximately 100 years to determine that Blacks should have equal access to housing, education and health care, three of the most basic necessities of life that whites enjoyed in full all that time (talk about being fashionably late), 

- have that law fail to be enforced; if enforced at all, for decades as their was no adequate monitoring or surveillance of claims of racism and/or outright prejudice within those institutions, with that very law languishing in terms of effectiveness today lacking any real effective oversight ; 

- have all the the greatest leaders of the Black community, not limited to Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and Medgar Evers the three most well known among many, assassinated while fighting for Black Civil Rights in the 1960's (the list of all other Civil Rights leaders/fighters killed is quite lengthy and their deaths quite horrific); 

- have that terrorizing of the Black community not limited to adults but extended to children in 1963 when 4 girls, the oldest 14 and the youngest 11 killed in a church bombing in Alabama that held Civil Rights meetings for Blacks (notice the trend of mass murder around the signing of Civil Rights legislation as Whites ramped up their terrorizing efforts to intimidate and stifle any and all Black autonomy, regardless of age or gender) ; 

- have a drug war started by Nixon and ramped up to full throttle by Reagan that primarily targets Blacks and minorities as whole, a nonviolent crime, imprison many multiples more than any industrialized nation on earth, keeping many within the system under parole (denying them the right to vote, get school loans or employment) and habitually tearing apart the Black community and family as Black men were plucked from mothers/wives/children, all the while the evidence showing that Blacks use, possess and distribute drugs at equal rates compared to whites which again, is outright racism and terrorism of the Black community to support the criminal justice system which pays police, prosecutors and judges and funds Prison Industrial Complex as a whole; 

- all which leads us to the present day which I have spoken about extensively with regard to systematic and institutional inequities in housing, education, employment and health care...ALL of this, because one is Black skinned...


THIS is a "Raw Deal" to people like Train. 

Choose your words carefully Train. You will be held accountable for them...

And yes, it appears I know a little more than you and your ilk on this topic.

In the words of Willy Wonka 



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Posted: 5/28/2012 6:12:33 PM
Glad we're still living in the 1960's
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Posted: 5/28/2012 7:09:58 PM
The truth is that all of this "affirmative action" nonsense, has resulted in benefiting, largely, minorities from middle- and upper-class backgrounds. It has been a  zero-sum game because AA has hurt poor whites and even many Asians (who meet admissions standards in disproportionate numbers). If preferences were truly meant to remedy disadvantage, they would be given on the basis of disadvantage, not on the basis of race.
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Posted: 5/28/2012 7:19:14 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


Let their words, not mine, condemn them.

Above is a post, which is an example of the continued marginalization of the black experience in America by Whites, not only for the present day, but for the nearly four centuries that they've been a part of it.

Usually a 'Raw Deal' is comparable to getting a lemon off a used car lot from a crooked salesman. 

But to people like Train, who have been indoctrinated from birth to both consciously and subconsciously devalue the Black American (which they hardly consider "American" and you see that theme echoed to the highest authority in the Country in the President with the birther attacks).

I wonder if he'll reconsider the definition of a 'Raw Deal' when he considers the following:

- 250 years of domination, exploitation, and subjugation of chattel slavery,

- 100 years of du jour and lawful segregation, 

- having to live among, and have Black men, women and children die, get harassed, live in constant fear and threat of the nation's first true terrorist organization (as it was defined by a federal grand jury in 1870) which found its genesis through the targeting, terrorizing, and lynching of Blacks,

- have the Supreme Court even after alleged "Emancipation" (what does that mean without ample resources?) wait approximately 100 years to determine that Blacks should have equal access to housing, education and health care, three of the most basic necessities of life that whites enjoyed in full all that time (talk about being fashionably late), 

- have that law fail to be enforced; if enforced at all, for decades as their was no adequate monitoring or surveillance of claims of racism and/or outright prejudice within those institutions, with that very law languishing in terms of effectiveness today lacking any real effective oversight ; 

- have all the the greatest leaders of the Black community, not limited to Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and Medgar Evers the three most well known among many, assassinated while fighting for Black Civil Rights in the 1960's (the list of all other Civil Rights leaders/fighters killed is quite lengthy and their deaths quite horrific); 

- have that terrorizing of the Black community not limited to adults but extended to children in 1963 when 4 girls, the oldest 14 and the youngest 11 killed in a church bombing in Alabama that held Civil Rights meetings for Blacks (notice the trend of mass murder around the signing of Civil Rights legislation as Whites ramped up their terrorizing efforts to intimidate and stifle any and all Black autonomy, regardless of age or gender) ; 

- have a drug war started by Nixon and ramped up to full throttle by Reagan that primarily targets Blacks and minorities as whole, a nonviolent crime, imprison many multiples more than any industrialized nation on earth, keeping many within the system under parole (denying them the right to vote, get school loans or employment) and habitually tearing apart the Black community and family as Black men were plucked from mothers/wives/children, all the while the evidence showing that Blacks use, possess and distribute drugs at equal rates compared to whites which again, is outright racism and terrorism of the Black community to support the criminal justice system which pays police, prosecutors and judges and funds Prison Industrial Complex as a whole; 

- all which leads us to the present day which I have spoken about extensively with regard to systematic and institutional inequities in housing, education, employment and health care...ALL of this, because one is Black skinned...


THIS is a "Raw Deal" to people like Train. 

Choose your words carefully Train. You will be held accountable for them...

And yes, it appears I know a little more than you and your ilk on this topic.

In the words of Willy Wonka 


Yep, raw deal. But now they have a president, the month of february, naacp, affirmative action, BET, rap music, Ebony magazine, FUBU, Black Panthers, million man march, Howard, Grambling and Southern Universities, almost every top 25 starting five in college bball, the NBA, every good receiver in the NFL except Wes Welker, pimping, and fly girl.......So its not so bad for a lot of blacks.

I also like how you leave out all the negative stuff about black people, where most of the stereotypes come from......interesting.


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Posted: 5/28/2012 7:30:40 PM
Scal would it be racist if I called you a typical black boy?
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Posted: 5/28/2012 7:32:34 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:



Yep, raw deal. But now they have a president, the month of february, naacp, affirmative action, BET, rap music, Ebony magazine, FUBU, Black Panthers, million man march, Howard, Grambling and Southern Universities, almost every top 25 starting five in college bball, the NBA, every good receiver in the NFL except Wes Welker, pimping, and fly girl.......So its not so bad for a lot of blacks.

I also like how you leave out all the negative stuff about black people, where most of the stereotypes come from......interesting.




Train that's obviously not enough, this country is still "racist" against other races


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Posted: 5/28/2012 7:35:33 PM
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Train that's obviously not enough, this country is still "racist" against other races




Find me someone who is not at least a little bit racist and I will be shocked.
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Posted: 5/28/2012 8:20:06 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:



Yep, raw deal. But now they have a president, the month of february, naacp, affirmative action, BET, rap music, Ebony magazine, FUBU, Black Panthers, million man march, Howard, Grambling and Southern Universities, almost every top 25 starting five in college bball, the NBA, every good receiver in the NFL except Wes Welker, pimping, and fly girl.......So its not so bad for a lot of blacks.

I also like how you leave out all the negative stuff about black people, where most of the stereotypes come from......interesting.



Yes silent observers,

He actually used the words BET and FUBU as a counter to my historically accurate list which serves as a legacy of discrimination, domination, subjugation, exploitation, and of course outright murder and terrorism, and what it has done to shape the American zeitgeist about Blacks by Whites and Blacks themselves, and what it has done to their historical net worth and how it has shaped the current segregated school system and how it has lent itself to the massive inequity in this country, and stigmatized virtually every Black American, and serves as the basis for about 18 generations of Blacks, which, the last two he believes, the 'month of february' and 'rap music' has helped sufficiently cancel out...

And this is Covers.com in a nutshell...

Is there really an argument here? Should I argue with this knuckle-dragging neanderthal? 
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Posted: 5/28/2012 9:24:10 PM
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Yes silent observers,

He actually used the words BET and FUBU as a counter to my historically accurate list which serves as a legacy of discrimination, domination, subjugation, exploitation, and of course outright murder and terrorism, and what it has done to shape the American zeitgeist about Blacks by Whites and Blacks themselves, and what it has done to their historical net worth and how it has shaped the current segregated school system and how it has lent itself to the massive inequity in this country, and stigmatized virtually every Black American, and serves as the basis for about 18 generations of Blacks, which, the last two he believes, the 'month of february' and 'rap music' has helped sufficiently cancel out...

And this is Covers.com in a nutshell...

Is there really an argument here? Should I argue with this knuckle-dragging neanderthal? 


oh, stfu already with this tripe. Slavery ended 150 years ago!! Do you know how many whites had slaves?? Less than 1%!! They make it sound like every white person was issued a family of slaves, when nothing could be further from the truth.

We all know the horrific past injustices not only to blacks but to all minorities who entered this country LEGALLY through Rikers Island. 

The democratic party was hellbent on keeping blacks in literal chains then.... and now they are hellbent on keeping blacks slaves to the state.

Thank goodness for the Republican party who has fought for their freedom then and now, literally and figuratively.
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Posted: 5/29/2012 1:39:52 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


Yes silent observers,

He actually used the words BET and FUBU as a counter to my historically accurate list which serves as a legacy of discrimination, domination, subjugation, exploitation, and of course outright murder and terrorism, and what it has done to shape the American zeitgeist about Blacks by Whites and Blacks themselves, and what it has done to their historical net worth and how it has shaped the current segregated school system and how it has lent itself to the massive inequity in this country, and stigmatized virtually every Black American, and serves as the basis for about 18 generations of Blacks, which, the last two he believes, the 'month of february' and 'rap music' has helped sufficiently cancel out...

And this is Covers.com in a nutshell...

Is there really an argument here? Should I argue with this knuckle-dragging neanderthal? 




WET wouldn't be considered racist?
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Posted: 5/29/2012 2:04:21 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by -fits-:

i cant believe one of these behind PC correct think skinned douchey mods hasnt banned you yet for starting this thread


What have I done to deserve to be just banned? I'm just questioning affirmative action, it's a great debate
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Posted: 5/29/2012 2:05:45 AM
I understand that this idea was definitely needed, I do get that, but in today's day and age where we are suppose to be all equal, why is this still enforced?
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supposed to be but not
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Posted: 5/29/2012 1:09:53 PM
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supposed to be but not


Yeah true, there unfortunately will always be some people that still hold prejudice views against certain people
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Posted: 5/29/2012 2:38:33 PM
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Yes silent observers,

He actually used the words BET and FUBU as a counter to my historically accurate list which serves as a legacy of discrimination, domination, subjugation, exploitation, and of course outright murder and terrorism, and what it has done to shape the American zeitgeist about Blacks by Whites and Blacks themselves, and what it has done to their historical net worth and how it has shaped the current segregated school system and how it has lent itself to the massive inequity in this country, and stigmatized virtually every Black American, and serves as the basis for about 18 generations of Blacks, which, the last two he believes, the 'month of february' and 'rap music' has helped sufficiently cancel out...

And this is Covers.com in a nutshell...

Is there really an argument here? Should I argue with this knuckle-dragging neanderthal? 

Your historically accurate list is indeed accurate. Is my list also not accurate? Who said "cancel out"? I gave the state of current affairs while you dwell in the past.....

18 generations? If its so rough here, how come black people dont/havent slowly moved somewhere they are more welcome? You would think as tough as it is here, there population would be shrinking....but oh no, its SKYROCKETING. Coincidentally so is welfare and unemployment....but thats all the white mans fault, causing them to have all these kids in a society they know hates them so they can live off the sweat of another mans brow. Good call.
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Posted: 5/29/2012 7:50:22 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:


Your historically accurate list is indeed accurate. Is my list also not accurate? Who said "cancel out"? I gave the state of current affairs while you dwell in the past.....

18 generations? If its so rough here, how come black people dont/havent slowly moved somewhere they are more welcome? You would think as tough as it is here, there population would be shrinking....but oh no, its SKYROCKETING. Coincidentally so is welfare and unemployment....but thats all the white mans fault, causing them to have all these kids in a society they know hates them so they can live off the sweat of another mans brow. Good call.



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