three trivia questions about nfl rules. two now, one to follow.
1. Game goes to OT. Team A gets the ball first. On their first drive, Team A throws a completion, the receiver fumbles, Team B recovers and runs it back and then fumbles and Team A recovers. Team A drives down the field and kicks a field goal. Is the game over?
2. Can the ground cause a fumble?
One more that's more of n issue than a question.
It seems like there have been a lot of serious knee and leg injuries towards the end of the season. Manningham and Heath Miller both tore their ACL's. I didn't see the Miller injury but the Manningham was ugly. Anyway, are defenders intentionally going low now due to the ridiculous personal foul rules where any hit from the shest up is an automatic 15 yard penalty and has this resulted in more serious knee injuries? Would you rather take a shot to the chest, shoulders or even head than a shot to the knee knowing an ACL injury is a very serious injury and will likely shorten a player's career unless that player is superhuman like AP?
three trivia questions about nfl rules. two now, one to follow.
1. Game goes to OT. Team A gets the ball first. On their first drive, Team A throws a completion, the receiver fumbles, Team B recovers and runs it back and then fumbles and Team A recovers. Team A drives down the field and kicks a field goal. Is the game over?
2. Can the ground cause a fumble?
One more that's more of n issue than a question.
It seems like there have been a lot of serious knee and leg injuries towards the end of the season. Manningham and Heath Miller both tore their ACL's. I didn't see the Miller injury but the Manningham was ugly. Anyway, are defenders intentionally going low now due to the ridiculous personal foul rules where any hit from the shest up is an automatic 15 yard penalty and has this resulted in more serious knee injuries? Would you rather take a shot to the chest, shoulders or even head than a shot to the knee knowing an ACL injury is a very serious injury and will likely shorten a player's career unless that player is superhuman like AP?
2. Yes when the ball carrier was not touched. The "ground can't cause a fumble" rule only applied if the ball carrier is being tackled. Best example is when a QB is trying to slide, the ball comes out before anyone touching him, it's considered a fumble.
The defenders can't go high for fear to be penalized and it's not effective to try to tackle through the middle. The players are so strong nowadays the tacklers would just bounce off....
2. Yes when the ball carrier was not touched. The "ground can't cause a fumble" rule only applied if the ball carrier is being tackled. Best example is when a QB is trying to slide, the ball comes out before anyone touching him, it's considered a fumble.
The defenders can't go high for fear to be penalized and it's not effective to try to tackle through the middle. The players are so strong nowadays the tacklers would just bounce off....
Cobb stepping out of bounds then touching the ball on that punt return was weird, never knew that one. Packers got the ball at the 40 instead of the 10 or whatever... funny how many games you watch and something happens still makes you go WTF?
Cobb stepping out of bounds then touching the ball on that punt return was weird, never knew that one. Packers got the ball at the 40 instead of the 10 or whatever... funny how many games you watch and something happens still makes you go WTF?
Cobb stepping out of bounds then touching the ball on that punt return was weird, never knew that one. Packers got the ball at the 40 instead of the 10 or whatever... funny how many games you watch and something happens still makes you go WTF?
Your actually taught as a returner that if its close to the OOB to step out and touch the ball. My cousin is a safety/kr/pr for a small shotty school in the middle of pennsy (d3) and he told me that awhile back
But I agree with the other guy, yes thats each team getting the ball (no matter how short) and yes, a ground can cause a fumble, as in im an idiot, fell over and the ball came out with out being touch
Cobb stepping out of bounds then touching the ball on that punt return was weird, never knew that one. Packers got the ball at the 40 instead of the 10 or whatever... funny how many games you watch and something happens still makes you go WTF?
Your actually taught as a returner that if its close to the OOB to step out and touch the ball. My cousin is a safety/kr/pr for a small shotty school in the middle of pennsy (d3) and he told me that awhile back
But I agree with the other guy, yes thats each team getting the ball (no matter how short) and yes, a ground can cause a fumble, as in im an idiot, fell over and the ball came out with out being touch
Your actually taught as a returner that if its close to the OOB to step out and touch the ball. My cousin is a safety/kr/pr for a small shotty school in the middle of pennsy (d3) and he told me that awhile back
But I agree with the other guy, yes thats each team getting the ball (no matter how short) and yes, a ground can cause a fumble, as in im an idiot, fell over and the ball came out with out being touch
wish i had the opportunity to play football as a kid, fuckin love the NFL!
Your actually taught as a returner that if its close to the OOB to step out and touch the ball. My cousin is a safety/kr/pr for a small shotty school in the middle of pennsy (d3) and he told me that awhile back
But I agree with the other guy, yes thats each team getting the ball (no matter how short) and yes, a ground can cause a fumble, as in im an idiot, fell over and the ball came out with out being touch
wish i had the opportunity to play football as a kid, fuckin love the NFL!
ok, one follow up to question 2, let's say an offensive player is running and trips without being touched and lands on his back and while on the ground, a defender comes by and touches only the ball and knocks it out of his hands and then recovers it. is it a fumble or was the runner down although he was never touched?
ok, one follow up to question 2, let's say an offensive player is running and trips without being touched and lands on his back and while on the ground, a defender comes by and touches only the ball and knocks it out of his hands and then recovers it. is it a fumble or was the runner down although he was never touched?
2. Yes when the ball carrier was not touched. The "ground can't cause a fumble" rule only applied if the ball carrier is being tackled. Best example is when a QB is trying to slide, the ball comes out before anyone touching him, it's considered a fumble.
The defenders can't go high for fear to be penalized and it's not effective to try to tackle through the middle. The players are so strong nowadays the tacklers would just bounce off....
#2 is correct, although your example is wrong. When a player declares himself down(which is almost exclusively by performing a slide), the play is declared over. You can not fumble on a slide.
As far as CD's #8 post question : The runner is down as long as he was not in the act of trying to advance. Laying on his back, he clearly was not. He has secured possession of the ball while down and essentially, the ball is part of the runner at this point. Once again, no fumble.
2. Yes when the ball carrier was not touched. The "ground can't cause a fumble" rule only applied if the ball carrier is being tackled. Best example is when a QB is trying to slide, the ball comes out before anyone touching him, it's considered a fumble.
The defenders can't go high for fear to be penalized and it's not effective to try to tackle through the middle. The players are so strong nowadays the tacklers would just bounce off....
#2 is correct, although your example is wrong. When a player declares himself down(which is almost exclusively by performing a slide), the play is declared over. You can not fumble on a slide.
As far as CD's #8 post question : The runner is down as long as he was not in the act of trying to advance. Laying on his back, he clearly was not. He has secured possession of the ball while down and essentially, the ball is part of the runner at this point. Once again, no fumble.
getty, as to question 3, the runner is running to the end zone and trips but is still trying to advance. before he can get up, the defender touches only the ball and knocks it loose. can a runner trying to advance be down if he was never actually touched by a defender (only the ball was)?
getty, as to question 3, the runner is running to the end zone and trips but is still trying to advance. before he can get up, the defender touches only the ball and knocks it loose. can a runner trying to advance be down if he was never actually touched by a defender (only the ball was)?
#2 is correct, although your example is wrong. When a player declares himself down(which is almost exclusively by performing a slide), the play is declared over. You can not fumble on a slide.
As far as CD's #8 post question : The runner is down as long as he was not in the act of trying to advance. Laying on his back, he clearly was not. He has secured possession of the ball while down and essentially, the ball is part of the runner at this point. Once again, no fumble.
Yes, I was wrong. That's the only times it wouldn't be. I didn't know what I was typing.
#2 is correct, although your example is wrong. When a player declares himself down(which is almost exclusively by performing a slide), the play is declared over. You can not fumble on a slide.
As far as CD's #8 post question : The runner is down as long as he was not in the act of trying to advance. Laying on his back, he clearly was not. He has secured possession of the ball while down and essentially, the ball is part of the runner at this point. Once again, no fumble.
Yes, I was wrong. That's the only times it wouldn't be. I didn't know what I was typing.
getty, as to question 3, the runner is running to the end zone and trips but is still trying to advance. before he can get up, the defender touches only the ball and knocks it loose. can a runner trying to advance be down if he was never actually touched by a defender (only the ball was)?
Well, I had to go to the NFL rulebook for this one to be sure. I am right. It's not a fumble. " A player can only strip the ball from an opponent who is still on his feet or is airborne."
getty, as to question 3, the runner is running to the end zone and trips but is still trying to advance. before he can get up, the defender touches only the ball and knocks it loose. can a runner trying to advance be down if he was never actually touched by a defender (only the ball was)?
Well, I had to go to the NFL rulebook for this one to be sure. I am right. It's not a fumble. " A player can only strip the ball from an opponent who is still on his feet or is airborne."
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