So its finally here, the WNBA Finals. Been a very crazy year but the 2 top teams in the reg season have made it. Sparks and Lynx clearly above the other teams apart from maybe the Liberty. The Sun finished strong and I believe they will make the playoffs next year if they keep their core players and young rookies. The Stars are still in a major rebuilding stage and Jayne Appel has retired. Danielle Robinson should return next year and they will have a good backcourt with her and young Jefferson. McBride set to come back as well so they are looking half decent. Angel is off contract as well, will be interesting to see if she stays with Dream and goes elsewhere. I believe she will go to Indy as they have cap space now after Tamika retired and Angel is the kind of player that Indy needs. Wings, well they need to get rid of Williams.. Can't believe he still has a job given their roster is decent but they fell badly. Dan Hughes is leaving the Stars so they will look for a new coach as well. Riquna Williams is set to come back next year and play for the Sparks so that will add more depth for them which is pretty impressive for the Sparks. Going to be a long off-season but the NBA is just around the corner..
Anyways, enough babbling about the season, we have at least 3 games to go, possibly 5. I believe this will go the full 5 games. Two very good coaches who love to play defense. These 2 teams had the best defensive efficiencies all season long. Both teams are coming off series where their opposition didn't play defense in the Mercury and Sky. So this series IMHO will be a low scoring series. One of two games might go over but we need to pick our spots on the unders and hope that there is no OT at all. My database goes back to 2011, and since then there has been 103 playoff games and only 4 have gone to OT so very low occurrence. The lines are out for Game #1 already with the Lynx -4.5 and the total at 162.
Going to be a great series, battle of the top best teams and although I have a Sparks future bet, I will look to hedge because I think that the Lynx are too strong and too deep for the Sparks. The Sparks bench IMHO is very weak compared to the Lynx.
So its finally here, the WNBA Finals. Been a very crazy year but the 2 top teams in the reg season have made it. Sparks and Lynx clearly above the other teams apart from maybe the Liberty. The Sun finished strong and I believe they will make the playoffs next year if they keep their core players and young rookies. The Stars are still in a major rebuilding stage and Jayne Appel has retired. Danielle Robinson should return next year and they will have a good backcourt with her and young Jefferson. McBride set to come back as well so they are looking half decent. Angel is off contract as well, will be interesting to see if she stays with Dream and goes elsewhere. I believe she will go to Indy as they have cap space now after Tamika retired and Angel is the kind of player that Indy needs. Wings, well they need to get rid of Williams.. Can't believe he still has a job given their roster is decent but they fell badly. Dan Hughes is leaving the Stars so they will look for a new coach as well. Riquna Williams is set to come back next year and play for the Sparks so that will add more depth for them which is pretty impressive for the Sparks. Going to be a long off-season but the NBA is just around the corner..
Anyways, enough babbling about the season, we have at least 3 games to go, possibly 5. I believe this will go the full 5 games. Two very good coaches who love to play defense. These 2 teams had the best defensive efficiencies all season long. Both teams are coming off series where their opposition didn't play defense in the Mercury and Sky. So this series IMHO will be a low scoring series. One of two games might go over but we need to pick our spots on the unders and hope that there is no OT at all. My database goes back to 2011, and since then there has been 103 playoff games and only 4 have gone to OT so very low occurrence. The lines are out for Game #1 already with the Lynx -4.5 and the total at 162.
Going to be a great series, battle of the top best teams and although I have a Sparks future bet, I will look to hedge because I think that the Lynx are too strong and too deep for the Sparks. The Sparks bench IMHO is very weak compared to the Lynx.
Oz man great analysis of teams. I'm locked in and feel as good as when I preached Cavs winning Championship from the start and yelled from the roof tops to add more ML when they were down 2-0 and even more at 3-1, nobody listened. I'm a firm believer that these games are manipulated and when i find my theory as to why I hang on. I knew there was no way in hell the league was going to gift wrap the MVP, season record for wins, a new stadium in San Francisco soon all to the Warriors, it didn't make sense. What did make sense was justifying LeBrons move to Cleveland 3 years prior with finally a ring to the emabattled City and the King. Now we get an abbreviated WNBA playoffs where both Finals contestants have only had to play 3 and 4 games in last 3 weeks, how crazy is that that you only have to play and win 3 or 4 games in 3 weeks to get to a Finals? I believe the league knows the WNBA is struggling mightly despite star power: attendance is low, revenue must be lacking. So they created this new playoff format that basically fast tracks the 2 top teams straight to the Finals. In the process they sent out a league memo to ramp up offensive production b/c let's face it the warriors created a blueprint that every single basketball team in America from pee-wee to high school to pros follow...it's the American way, entertain. We've got both teams rested and clicking on offense scoring 95,99,95,113 and 96 in their 5 playoff wins. The refs are pitching in whistling up ridiculous amount of free throws and you've got an entirely different LA team than Minny faced last year in the playoffs b/c LA will throw up 33 3pt shots a game w/out hesitation. The league is desperate and got the Finals they wanted, now they've got to make it entertaining and that means points. There's been 11 playoff games with an avg of 176ppg with the avg winning score over 90ppg, they want pace and scoring so will make it so. Throw the stats out of their 3 meetings during the regular season b/c they will not combine for 9 made 3pters and 22 free throws. This isn't Minny facing Atl in 2013 where Atl couldn't score b/c LA has a triple threat, and this isn't a 14-20 LA limping into the Conf semis against Minny like last year either. This is essentially a glorified Western Conf Finals but in the Finals so i expect a western conf shoot out much like if you saw Port and GS in the NBA Finals. Both teams have shown that when pressed they can each score 50pt halves and combined 60pt qtrs. This will resemble more of the men's 92-89 NBA game than the old WNBA 73-69 type, the league wants it, the stars are rested used to it off the Olympic showcase and the refs will chip in too. I see the winner in the high 80-90s and the loser not far behind as I think Minny is superior but LA and Parker are very hungry and the league can't afford a low scoring Minny sweep. There's a 33 bagger over in this series for sure just not sure if it's G1 so will await ref assignments before pulling the trigger. GL my man.
Oz man great analysis of teams. I'm locked in and feel as good as when I preached Cavs winning Championship from the start and yelled from the roof tops to add more ML when they were down 2-0 and even more at 3-1, nobody listened. I'm a firm believer that these games are manipulated and when i find my theory as to why I hang on. I knew there was no way in hell the league was going to gift wrap the MVP, season record for wins, a new stadium in San Francisco soon all to the Warriors, it didn't make sense. What did make sense was justifying LeBrons move to Cleveland 3 years prior with finally a ring to the emabattled City and the King. Now we get an abbreviated WNBA playoffs where both Finals contestants have only had to play 3 and 4 games in last 3 weeks, how crazy is that that you only have to play and win 3 or 4 games in 3 weeks to get to a Finals? I believe the league knows the WNBA is struggling mightly despite star power: attendance is low, revenue must be lacking. So they created this new playoff format that basically fast tracks the 2 top teams straight to the Finals. In the process they sent out a league memo to ramp up offensive production b/c let's face it the warriors created a blueprint that every single basketball team in America from pee-wee to high school to pros follow...it's the American way, entertain. We've got both teams rested and clicking on offense scoring 95,99,95,113 and 96 in their 5 playoff wins. The refs are pitching in whistling up ridiculous amount of free throws and you've got an entirely different LA team than Minny faced last year in the playoffs b/c LA will throw up 33 3pt shots a game w/out hesitation. The league is desperate and got the Finals they wanted, now they've got to make it entertaining and that means points. There's been 11 playoff games with an avg of 176ppg with the avg winning score over 90ppg, they want pace and scoring so will make it so. Throw the stats out of their 3 meetings during the regular season b/c they will not combine for 9 made 3pters and 22 free throws. This isn't Minny facing Atl in 2013 where Atl couldn't score b/c LA has a triple threat, and this isn't a 14-20 LA limping into the Conf semis against Minny like last year either. This is essentially a glorified Western Conf Finals but in the Finals so i expect a western conf shoot out much like if you saw Port and GS in the NBA Finals. Both teams have shown that when pressed they can each score 50pt halves and combined 60pt qtrs. This will resemble more of the men's 92-89 NBA game than the old WNBA 73-69 type, the league wants it, the stars are rested used to it off the Olympic showcase and the refs will chip in too. I see the winner in the high 80-90s and the loser not far behind as I think Minny is superior but LA and Parker are very hungry and the league can't afford a low scoring Minny sweep. There's a 33 bagger over in this series for sure just not sure if it's G1 so will await ref assignments before pulling the trigger. GL my man.
I think this first game total ( I feel the spread is right on) comes down to how many fouls the league wants to see. Nothing more and nothing less. Don't know how to find out who are refs and what their o/u stats are but i have a feeling the league does not want a foul fest like what kind of happened in most of the semis. If that is the case the 1st game will go under if not it will go over. I think it is just about as simple as that. Too good a defense on both sides. Playoff atmosphere. Thoughts? Brutaljoe in NYC
I think this first game total ( I feel the spread is right on) comes down to how many fouls the league wants to see. Nothing more and nothing less. Don't know how to find out who are refs and what their o/u stats are but i have a feeling the league does not want a foul fest like what kind of happened in most of the semis. If that is the case the 1st game will go under if not it will go over. I think it is just about as simple as that. Too good a defense on both sides. Playoff atmosphere. Thoughts? Brutaljoe in NYC
Oz man great analysis of teams. I'm locked in and feel as good as when I preached Cavs winning Championship from the start and yelled from the roof tops to add more ML when they were down 2-0 and even more at 3-1, nobody listened. I'm a firm believer that these games are manipulated and when i find my theory as to why I hang on. I knew there was no way in hell the league was going to gift wrap the MVP, season record for wins, a new stadium in San Francisco soon all to the Warriors, it didn't make sense. What did make sense was justifying LeBrons move to Cleveland 3 years prior with finally a ring to the emabattled City and the King. Now we get an abbreviated WNBA playoffs where both Finals contestants have only had to play 3 and 4 games in last 3 weeks, how crazy is that that you only have to play and win 3 or 4 games in 3 weeks to get to a Finals? I believe the league knows the WNBA is struggling mightly despite star power: attendance is low, revenue must be lacking. So they created this new playoff format that basically fast tracks the 2 top teams straight to the Finals. In the process they sent out a league memo to ramp up offensive production b/c let's face it the warriors created a blueprint that every single basketball team in America from pee-wee to high school to pros follow...it's the American way, entertain. We've got both teams rested and clicking on offense scoring 95,99,95,113 and 96 in their 5 playoff wins. The refs are pitching in whistling up ridiculous amount of free throws and you've got an entirely different LA team than Minny faced last year in the playoffs b/c LA will throw up 33 3pt shots a game w/out hesitation. The league is desperate and got the Finals they wanted, now they've got to make it entertaining and that means points. There's been 11 playoff games with an avg of 176ppg with the avg winning score over 90ppg, they want pace and scoring so will make it so. Throw the stats out of their 3 meetings during the regular season b/c they will not combine for 9 made 3pters and 22 free throws. This isn't Minny facing Atl in 2013 where Atl couldn't score b/c LA has a triple threat, and this isn't a 14-20 LA limping into the Conf semis against Minny like last year either. This is essentially a glorified Western Conf Finals but in the Finals so i expect a western conf shoot out much like if you saw Port and GS in the NBA Finals. Both teams have shown that when pressed they can each score 50pt halves and combined 60pt qtrs. This will resemble more of the men's 92-89 NBA game than the old WNBA 73-69 type, the league wants it, the stars are rested used to it off the Olympic showcase and the refs will chip in too. I see the winner in the high 80-90s and the loser not far behind as I think Minny is superior but LA and Parker are very hungry and the league can't afford a low scoring Minny sweep. There's a 33 bagger over in this series for sure just not sure if it's G1 so will await ref assignments before pulling the trigger. GL my man.
Hey Wagers, you are locked in mate and this is when you cap at your ultimate best and its what you did that year you hit 74%. I agree, i think there is a massive over potential somewhere in this series. IMHO, the 1st game though seems to be an under game as both teams will bring their defense. Plenty of rest for both teams especially the Lynx and Agler will not want to get into a run and gun style game with the Lynx because we all know who wins that battle. I also think that the Lynx might come out firing 1st game and then Agler and Sparks make adjustments for game 2. In all honesty, I think the Sparks were given a nice easy run vs the Sky compared to the Lynx vs Mercury. Even though the Mercury collapsed, they gave a good run to the Lynx but the Lynx were just too strong in all areas of basketball. Can't wait for this series to start, really hope it goes the full 5 games.
Oz man great analysis of teams. I'm locked in and feel as good as when I preached Cavs winning Championship from the start and yelled from the roof tops to add more ML when they were down 2-0 and even more at 3-1, nobody listened. I'm a firm believer that these games are manipulated and when i find my theory as to why I hang on. I knew there was no way in hell the league was going to gift wrap the MVP, season record for wins, a new stadium in San Francisco soon all to the Warriors, it didn't make sense. What did make sense was justifying LeBrons move to Cleveland 3 years prior with finally a ring to the emabattled City and the King. Now we get an abbreviated WNBA playoffs where both Finals contestants have only had to play 3 and 4 games in last 3 weeks, how crazy is that that you only have to play and win 3 or 4 games in 3 weeks to get to a Finals? I believe the league knows the WNBA is struggling mightly despite star power: attendance is low, revenue must be lacking. So they created this new playoff format that basically fast tracks the 2 top teams straight to the Finals. In the process they sent out a league memo to ramp up offensive production b/c let's face it the warriors created a blueprint that every single basketball team in America from pee-wee to high school to pros follow...it's the American way, entertain. We've got both teams rested and clicking on offense scoring 95,99,95,113 and 96 in their 5 playoff wins. The refs are pitching in whistling up ridiculous amount of free throws and you've got an entirely different LA team than Minny faced last year in the playoffs b/c LA will throw up 33 3pt shots a game w/out hesitation. The league is desperate and got the Finals they wanted, now they've got to make it entertaining and that means points. There's been 11 playoff games with an avg of 176ppg with the avg winning score over 90ppg, they want pace and scoring so will make it so. Throw the stats out of their 3 meetings during the regular season b/c they will not combine for 9 made 3pters and 22 free throws. This isn't Minny facing Atl in 2013 where Atl couldn't score b/c LA has a triple threat, and this isn't a 14-20 LA limping into the Conf semis against Minny like last year either. This is essentially a glorified Western Conf Finals but in the Finals so i expect a western conf shoot out much like if you saw Port and GS in the NBA Finals. Both teams have shown that when pressed they can each score 50pt halves and combined 60pt qtrs. This will resemble more of the men's 92-89 NBA game than the old WNBA 73-69 type, the league wants it, the stars are rested used to it off the Olympic showcase and the refs will chip in too. I see the winner in the high 80-90s and the loser not far behind as I think Minny is superior but LA and Parker are very hungry and the league can't afford a low scoring Minny sweep. There's a 33 bagger over in this series for sure just not sure if it's G1 so will await ref assignments before pulling the trigger. GL my man.
Hey Wagers, you are locked in mate and this is when you cap at your ultimate best and its what you did that year you hit 74%. I agree, i think there is a massive over potential somewhere in this series. IMHO, the 1st game though seems to be an under game as both teams will bring their defense. Plenty of rest for both teams especially the Lynx and Agler will not want to get into a run and gun style game with the Lynx because we all know who wins that battle. I also think that the Lynx might come out firing 1st game and then Agler and Sparks make adjustments for game 2. In all honesty, I think the Sparks were given a nice easy run vs the Sky compared to the Lynx vs Mercury. Even though the Mercury collapsed, they gave a good run to the Lynx but the Lynx were just too strong in all areas of basketball. Can't wait for this series to start, really hope it goes the full 5 games.
I just think there is more at play than just 2 teams playing each other...the league changed the playoff format for some reason b/c the old system wasn't getting what they wanted or needed, so this is their premier change and they get exactly what they wanted a resurgent Candace Parker, MVP led LA team with a proven winning coach in Agler vs. a dynasty Reeves and Maya led Minny team. For the WNBA to be relevant they have to put on a show and at this point how better than Maya and Candace trading baskets. over 161.5 G1 for me 11 bags
I just think there is more at play than just 2 teams playing each other...the league changed the playoff format for some reason b/c the old system wasn't getting what they wanted or needed, so this is their premier change and they get exactly what they wanted a resurgent Candace Parker, MVP led LA team with a proven winning coach in Agler vs. a dynasty Reeves and Maya led Minny team. For the WNBA to be relevant they have to put on a show and at this point how better than Maya and Candace trading baskets. over 161.5 G1 for me 11 bags
I'm taking the under in game 1 -- two of their three games in the regular season were all way under 161, and I think the two teams feel each other out a little to start with. I don't think there will be nearly as many fouls as we saw in the first couple rounds of the playoffs. I think the games get higher scoring later on, but the first one will be a little low.
I'm taking the under in game 1 -- two of their three games in the regular season were all way under 161, and I think the two teams feel each other out a little to start with. I don't think there will be nearly as many fouls as we saw in the first couple rounds of the playoffs. I think the games get higher scoring later on, but the first one will be a little low.
I just think there is more at play than just 2 teams playing each other...the league changed the playoff format for some reason b/c the old system wasn't getting what they wanted or needed, so this is their premier change and they get exactly what they wanted a resurgent Candace Parker, MVP led LA team with a proven winning coach in Agler vs. a dynasty Reeves and Maya led Minny team. For the WNBA to be relevant they have to put on a show and at this point how better than Maya and Candace trading baskets. over 161.5 G1 for me 11 bags
GL Wagers.. I definitely agree with you that there is more to it then just 2 teams playing each other. The WNBA unfortunately is in a bad space right now and has been for the past few seasons. Parker snubbed for Rio, the Lynx who are just beasts every year and the reigning reg season MVP in the WNBA finals..
I just think there is more at play than just 2 teams playing each other...the league changed the playoff format for some reason b/c the old system wasn't getting what they wanted or needed, so this is their premier change and they get exactly what they wanted a resurgent Candace Parker, MVP led LA team with a proven winning coach in Agler vs. a dynasty Reeves and Maya led Minny team. For the WNBA to be relevant they have to put on a show and at this point how better than Maya and Candace trading baskets. over 161.5 G1 for me 11 bags
GL Wagers.. I definitely agree with you that there is more to it then just 2 teams playing each other. The WNBA unfortunately is in a bad space right now and has been for the past few seasons. Parker snubbed for Rio, the Lynx who are just beasts every year and the reigning reg season MVP in the WNBA finals..
Well I am glad I stayed away. Was actually going to take the Lynx but for some reason when i was typing out the play, it didn't feel right at all. 1 down, 2 to go for my Sparks Futures bet. Can they manage another win in Minny in 2 days time? Should be a great game.
Well I am glad I stayed away. Was actually going to take the Lynx but for some reason when i was typing out the play, it didn't feel right at all. 1 down, 2 to go for my Sparks Futures bet. Can they manage another win in Minny in 2 days time? Should be a great game.
Washead We did good. The under was the right call OT or not. Good job
Brutaljoe NYC
congrats to all the under backers and especially anyone that took LA moneyline but Joe you got lucky bud that was the absolute worst ref crew for an over and you survived by the skin of your teeth, love ya buddy but if not for Minny puking all over themselves this flew over...now that being said holy cow how does this not set up for us gamblors with Minny coming out big time against an LA squad on 4th straight road playoff game with a lil swagger in their step, Toliver will be the heroine or death nell for shizzle as she can shoot her team out of the Championships quick fast in a hurry and turn the rock over a grip. I look for Minny to score a ton, let's hope we get a ref crew of Gulbeyan, Blauch and Bird and hammer Minny TT over 84 as it's time LA loses a road game in a big way, smells like a Tuesday 96-76 win for Minny
Washead We did good. The under was the right call OT or not. Good job
Brutaljoe NYC
congrats to all the under backers and especially anyone that took LA moneyline but Joe you got lucky bud that was the absolute worst ref crew for an over and you survived by the skin of your teeth, love ya buddy but if not for Minny puking all over themselves this flew over...now that being said holy cow how does this not set up for us gamblors with Minny coming out big time against an LA squad on 4th straight road playoff game with a lil swagger in their step, Toliver will be the heroine or death nell for shizzle as she can shoot her team out of the Championships quick fast in a hurry and turn the rock over a grip. I look for Minny to score a ton, let's hope we get a ref crew of Gulbeyan, Blauch and Bird and hammer Minny TT over 84 as it's time LA loses a road game in a big way, smells like a Tuesday 96-76 win for Minny
congrats to all the under backers and especially anyone that took LA moneyline but Joe you got lucky bud that was the absolute worst ref crew for an over and you survived by the skin of your teeth, love ya buddy but if not for Minny puking all over themselves this flew over...now that being said holy cow how does this not set up for us gamblors with Minny coming out big time against an LA squad on 4th straight road playoff game with a lil swagger in their step, Toliver will be the heroine or death nell for shizzle as she can shoot her team out of the Championships quick fast in a hurry and turn the rock over a grip. I look for Minny to score a ton, let's hope we get a ref crew of Gulbeyan, Blauch and Bird and hammer Minny TT over 84 as it's time LA loses a road game in a big way, smells like a Tuesday 96-76 win for Minny
BOOM!!! Bingo, exact same thoughts Wagers and almost identical score line. I am thinking something like 93-75 for Game #2. There is no way Lynx go to LA down 0-2. No way!! They have too many weapons and like you said, Toliver can win a game or lose a game for her team.
congrats to all the under backers and especially anyone that took LA moneyline but Joe you got lucky bud that was the absolute worst ref crew for an over and you survived by the skin of your teeth, love ya buddy but if not for Minny puking all over themselves this flew over...now that being said holy cow how does this not set up for us gamblors with Minny coming out big time against an LA squad on 4th straight road playoff game with a lil swagger in their step, Toliver will be the heroine or death nell for shizzle as she can shoot her team out of the Championships quick fast in a hurry and turn the rock over a grip. I look for Minny to score a ton, let's hope we get a ref crew of Gulbeyan, Blauch and Bird and hammer Minny TT over 84 as it's time LA loses a road game in a big way, smells like a Tuesday 96-76 win for Minny
BOOM!!! Bingo, exact same thoughts Wagers and almost identical score line. I am thinking something like 93-75 for Game #2. There is no way Lynx go to LA down 0-2. No way!! They have too many weapons and like you said, Toliver can win a game or lose a game for her team.
not to mention the pisss poor 3pt shooting 3-16 combined! this is setting up for a shoot em up 1st half over Tuesday maybe 100pt 1st half too bad we went away from Contest plays on halves and TT but I'll have 33 bagger on G2
not to mention the pisss poor 3pt shooting 3-16 combined! this is setting up for a shoot em up 1st half over Tuesday maybe 100pt 1st half too bad we went away from Contest plays on halves and TT but I'll have 33 bagger on G2
Lynx are +120 now.. Bit of an over-reaction but I guess being only a 5 game series and the Sparks stealing game 1, if they split the Minny games and head back to LA at 1-1, then 2 home games, Minny needs to steal either game 3 or 4 to then head home. Big ask but its the Lynx, anything possible with this team.
Lynx are +120 now.. Bit of an over-reaction but I guess being only a 5 game series and the Sparks stealing game 1, if they split the Minny games and head back to LA at 1-1, then 2 home games, Minny needs to steal either game 3 or 4 to then head home. Big ask but its the Lynx, anything possible with this team.
33-26 (13-7 after break)-not putting my plays for Contest now. Punched in wrong side and you cant change it and yesterdays over I did not put in... cant do 1H etc so I will keep track...but this is my record.
WAGERS
Where do you get the info on the refs for WNBA?
You are saying that was an "over" crew right? Where are the stats on this?
And how can we find out the crew for next game?
Not really sure if I did get lucky there.
I think it would have been more luck to go to OT and lose that one. The total points was what 154? And the line was 162. I know they did not shoot the three ball well, but I took the layoff in to consideration there and thought as much.
33-26 (13-7 after break)-not putting my plays for Contest now. Punched in wrong side and you cant change it and yesterdays over I did not put in... cant do 1H etc so I will keep track...but this is my record.
WAGERS
Where do you get the info on the refs for WNBA?
You are saying that was an "over" crew right? Where are the stats on this?
And how can we find out the crew for next game?
Not really sure if I did get lucky there.
I think it would have been more luck to go to OT and lose that one. The total points was what 154? And the line was 162. I know they did not shoot the three ball well, but I took the layoff in to consideration there and thought as much.
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