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Take nadal outright now.

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Posted: Jan. 26, 2017 - 8:41 AM ET #1

At my bookie the lines for Nadal outright has already dropped from 2.80 to 2.40 and still going down after the federer match while federer sits at 1.95 this seems to indicate a projected nadal-fed final would have a line around 1.6 nadal 2.3 federer unless nadal or fed starts getting some big action or nadal plays differently than expected against dimi. Obviously if dimitrov gets the upset then fed goes in a big favourite.

key things to note about a potential fedal final

- Nadal has won their last 4 grand slam encounters that weren't on clay (obviously hes won them all on clay), the last 3 in Australia (2009,12,14) and also wimby 2008. He holds a massive lead in their grand slam h2h. Obviously its slightly different with question marks about how much they have declined, but in the past its been obvious nadal is a bad stylistic matchup being left handed for federer.

- Question marks over feds form, Wawrinka had a serve first serve percentage of 78% in a losing first set, but he won the 3rd with 48% 6-1, thats how bad fed was that set.

- While fed has had two 5 setters in his last 3, he gets the advantage of an extra 24hours rest so a 72hour break.

Theres no doubt both are hungry for another slam.


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At my bookie the lines for Nadal outright has already dropped from 2.80 to 2.40 and still going down after the federer match while federer sits at 1.95 this seems to indicate a projected nadal-fed final would have a line around 1.6 nadal 2.3 federer unless nadal or fed starts getting some big action or nadal plays differently than expected against dimi. Obviously if dimitrov gets the upset then fed goes in a big favourite.

key things to note about a potential fedal final

- Nadal has won their last 4 grand slam encounters that weren't on clay (obviously hes won them all on clay), the last 3 in Australia (2009,12,14) and also wimby 2008. He holds a massive lead in their grand slam h2h. Obviously its slightly different with question marks about how much they have declined, but in the past its been obvious nadal is a bad stylistic matchup being left handed for federer.

- Question marks over feds form, Wawrinka had a serve first serve percentage of 78% in a losing first set, but he won the 3rd with 48% 6-1, thats how bad fed was that set.

- While fed has had two 5 setters in his last 3, he gets the advantage of an extra 24hours rest so a 72hour break.

Theres no doubt both are hungry for another slam.


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stop dreaming
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Quote Originally Posted by EuroPro:

stop dreaming

no dreaming just logic, Nadals a steal at 2.45 for the tourny especially when he will be priced a decent favourite in the final
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stop dreaming

no dreaming just logic, Nadals a steal at 2.45 for the tourny especially when he will be priced a decent favourite in the final
 
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Posted: Jan. 26, 2017 - 1:37 PM ET #4

he wont beat grigor, your odds are irreleavant
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he wont beat grigor, your odds are irreleavant
 
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Posted: Jan. 26, 2017 - 1:49 PM ET #5

Quote Originally Posted by EuroPro:

he wont beat grigor, your odds are irreleavant

lol why not, Dimitrovs style of play suits Nadal, 7-1 h2h. Add the fact it's best of five and that further plays into Nadals hand. Dimi may have hit some form this month but he was in much better form when nadal beat him here in 2014.

As soon as Nadal puts him under pressure he will crack.
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he wont beat grigor, your odds are irreleavant

lol why not, Dimitrovs style of play suits Nadal, 7-1 h2h. Add the fact it's best of five and that further plays into Nadals hand. Dimi may have hit some form this month but he was in much better form when nadal beat him here in 2014.

As soon as Nadal puts him under pressure he will crack.
 
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Posted: Jan. 26, 2017 - 2:40 PM ET #6

Dimitrov is 2-18 v the big three, if you include Murray then its 5-26. Murray Nadal and Fed have also knocked him out of the last 3 Aussie opens. He has never really troubled any of them.
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Dimitrov is 2-18 v the big three, if you include Murray then its 5-26. Murray Nadal and Fed have also knocked him out of the last 3 Aussie opens. He has never really troubled any of them.
 
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Posted: Jan. 26, 2017 - 6:25 PM ET #7

Quote Originally Posted by dimitripro:

Dimitrov is 2-18 v the big three, if you include Murray then its 5-26. Murray Nadal and Fed have also knocked him out of the last 3 Aussie opens. He has never really troubled any of them.

stats are irrelvant. he CRUSHED nadal last time end of last year. now grigor back to his normal self, playing at a bigger level.
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Dimitrov is 2-18 v the big three, if you include Murray then its 5-26. Murray Nadal and Fed have also knocked him out of the last 3 Aussie opens. He has never really troubled any of them.

stats are irrelvant. he CRUSHED nadal last time end of last year. now grigor back to his normal self, playing at a bigger level.
 
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Posted: Jan. 26, 2017 - 8:09 PM ET #8

Considering Dimitrovs current run I considered playing him against Nadal...tempting...however Nadal is so close to the finish line and he rarely lets these moments slip by. Bottom line is I put my money with the proven winner...Nadal has a mental fortitude that few can match. The one time Dimitrov beat Nadal, was just before Nadal shut it down and rehabbed his wrist, throw that win out, he is a different animal in a major, in 5 sets, with history on the line, give me Nadal with confidence 
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Considering Dimitrovs current run I considered playing him against Nadal...tempting...however Nadal is so close to the finish line and he rarely lets these moments slip by. Bottom line is I put my money with the proven winner...Nadal has a mental fortitude that few can match. The one time Dimitrov beat Nadal, was just before Nadal shut it down and rehabbed his wrist, throw that win out, he is a different animal in a major, in 5 sets, with history on the line, give me Nadal with confidence 
 
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Posted: Jan. 26, 2017 - 9:26 PM ET #9

Quote Originally Posted by EuroPro:


stats are irrelvant. he CRUSHED nadal last time end of last year. now grigor back to his normal self, playing at a bigger level.

lmao stats are never irrelevant but of course they are just the past. The last time they played was 4 days before nadal ended his season to recover. Nadal also got thrashed in straights 4 days later by Triocki lol. Likewise dimitrov got embarressed in straights the same time as nadal by pospisil. Both wanted to get out of Asia and go home.

Dimitrov has a long way of his 2014 form still (i guess winning his first title since he won 3 and was ranked #8 in 2014 is a good start) and even then he was never a real challenge for the big 3. All i see at the moment from Dimitrov is much better consistency without finding a new level of play. Similar with Goffin. 

it will be 8-1 h2h to nadal after tonight unless his knees explode, $2.50 for the tournament was a gift when he gets to play baby fed and then fed without the need to adjust how he plays them at all. Part of me will be hoping for some fed magic in the final but history says no. Also there should be the ability to hedge nadal in the final if he loses in the first set to break even if fed looks hot.

@Karmma - yea the problem with Dimitrovs run is that it mainly consisted of just January in warm up tournaments against average players with a Nishikori or a claycourt specialist thiem sprinkled inbetween.  This match could mirror the Konta - Serena match

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stats are irrelvant. he CRUSHED nadal last time end of last year. now grigor back to his normal self, playing at a bigger level.

lmao stats are never irrelevant but of course they are just the past. The last time they played was 4 days before nadal ended his season to recover. Nadal also got thrashed in straights 4 days later by Triocki lol. Likewise dimitrov got embarressed in straights the same time as nadal by pospisil. Both wanted to get out of Asia and go home.

Dimitrov has a long way of his 2014 form still (i guess winning his first title since he won 3 and was ranked #8 in 2014 is a good start) and even then he was never a real challenge for the big 3. All i see at the moment from Dimitrov is much better consistency without finding a new level of play. Similar with Goffin. 

it will be 8-1 h2h to nadal after tonight unless his knees explode, $2.50 for the tournament was a gift when he gets to play baby fed and then fed without the need to adjust how he plays them at all. Part of me will be hoping for some fed magic in the final but history says no. Also there should be the ability to hedge nadal in the final if he loses in the first set to break even if fed looks hot.

@Karmma - yea the problem with Dimitrovs run is that it mainly consisted of just January in warm up tournaments against average players with a Nishikori or a claycourt specialist thiem sprinkled inbetween.  This match could mirror the Konta - Serena match

 
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Posted: Jan. 26, 2017 - 9:30 PM ET #10

Dimitrov is playing fabulous tennis. I played him at +550, hope it cashes.
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Dimitrov is playing fabulous tennis. I played him at +550, hope it cashes.
 
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Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 3:39 AM ET #11

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Quote Originally Posted by EuroPro:

stop dreaming
no dreaming just logic, Nadals a steal at 2.45 for the tourny especially when he will be priced a decent favourite in the
Quote Originally Posted by dimitripro:

Quote Originally Posted by EuroPro:

stop dreaming
no dreaming just logic, Nadals a steal at 2.45 for the tourny especially when he will be priced a decent favourite in the final


If rafa wins today over dimitrov he'll be favored over fed? I don't believe so
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stop dreaming
no dreaming just logic, Nadals a steal at 2.45 for the tourny especially when he will be priced a decent favourite in the
Quote Originally Posted by dimitripro:

Quote Originally Posted by EuroPro:

stop dreaming
no dreaming just logic, Nadals a steal at 2.45 for the tourny especially when he will be priced a decent favourite in the final


If rafa wins today over dimitrov he'll be favored over fed? I don't believe so
 
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Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 3:47 AM ET #12

Quote Originally Posted by hendrixandsrv:

no dreaming just logic, Nadals a steal at 2.45 for the tourny especially when he will be priced a decent favourite in the
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Quote Originally Posted by EuroPro:

stop dreaming no dreaming just logic, Nadals a steal at 2.45 for the tourny especially when he will be priced a decent favourite in the final

If rafa wins today over dimitrov he'll be favored over fed? I don't believe so

Yes, Federer is currently priced at $1.95 odds to win the tournament, given that nadal is a favourite over dimitrov the odds on federer will blow out to near the 2.5 mark while they will shrink below the 1.40 mark if there is a dimitrov upset.
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no dreaming just logic, Nadals a steal at 2.45 for the tourny especially when he will be priced a decent favourite in the
Quote Originally Posted by dimitripro:

Quote Originally Posted by EuroPro:

stop dreaming no dreaming just logic, Nadals a steal at 2.45 for the tourny especially when he will be priced a decent favourite in the final

If rafa wins today over dimitrov he'll be favored over fed? I don't believe so

Yes, Federer is currently priced at $1.95 odds to win the tournament, given that nadal is a favourite over dimitrov the odds on federer will blow out to near the 2.5 mark while they will shrink below the 1.40 mark if there is a dimitrov upset.
 
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Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 8:57 AM ET #13

Never in doubt against dimitrov/s but in all seriousness credit to dimitrov for producing the best match of his career but it still wasn't enough. A 5 hour match with 40hours until the final isn't ideal but its nothing new after the 2009 semi final where uncle Toni had him in ice baths straight away.

Looking at the tournament odds, when Nadal took the first set, Fed drifted out to 2.3 for the tournament but after the five hour epic the lines currently have nadal as a slight favourite but plenty of movement happening as bets are starting to be placed.
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Never in doubt against dimitrov/s but in all seriousness credit to dimitrov for producing the best match of his career but it still wasn't enough. A 5 hour match with 40hours until the final isn't ideal but its nothing new after the 2009 semi final where uncle Toni had him in ice baths straight away.

Looking at the tournament odds, when Nadal took the first set, Fed drifted out to 2.3 for the tournament but after the five hour epic the lines currently have nadal as a slight favourite but plenty of movement happening as bets are starting to be placed.
 
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Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 9:00 AM ET #14

Baby Fed defeated, next is the original

https://imgur.com/a/tTzWI
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Baby Fed defeated, next is the original

https://imgur.com/a/tTzWI
 
 
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Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 9:10 AM ET #15

Mentioned on AO radio at the end of Federer's SF was the assertion that apparently the winner of the first SF (with the extra day off) has apparently not done  as well in the final as the player to win the second SF.
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Mentioned on AO radio at the end of Federer's SF was the assertion that apparently the winner of the first SF (with the extra day off) has apparently not done  as well in the final as the player to win the second SF.
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