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Game 6 ........... OKC -4 (-120) over Pacers --- 1.2 units |
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Congratulations - two wins! At least I am one game closer to OKC in 6 games.
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: Game 4 was a huge outlier. There at 250 games in the Sports Database wherein road favorites won by at least 3 points. In only 5 games (2%) did the winning team shoot less than 20.5% on 3PT FGA's. Naturally a sample size of 5 games provides no predictive value. Do you know the 5 teams ? .............. I will run the numbers and check shooting efficiency margin in those games. Alot depends on all the other things teams do. OKC won FT battle pretty large and they won TO's, and FG% by decent amount then on top of that they won rebound battle. I doubt any of those other 5 teams did that. Actually, this query's SDQL is simple and could be guessed by many people with only a superficial knowledge of Sports Data Query Language: PO = 1 and AF and margin > 2.5 and TPP < 20.5 In the PlayOffs, Away Favorites that win by a margin of at least 3 points shoot less than 20.5 Three Point Percentage. You can copy and post the query at gimmethedog.com after clicking on the NBA pulldown link. For some reason the box score links are not working, but you will have the dates for those 5 games, the two oldest of which are from the 2003 season.
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Quote Originally Posted by LAGameofInches:
Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: OKC to win series 4-2 (+105) over Pacers--- .5 units OKC -9 (-120) over Pacers --- 1.2 units Didnt' your post directly above this one suggest a last second prop bet? Because clearly if OKC were to cover there is no point in even putting a penny on the prop bet. I'm just stating from your angle. Personally I think Indiana keeps it close but loses outright so I wasn't mad at those darts for buzzer beater. Good luck either way, at least we know the series doesn't end tonight That play is at any point in the series. Does not have to be game 5............. ..... |
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And that plays well with backing OKC tonight. The total opened low but then it moved up to the point I considered not playing the over. But checking just before game time it was back down to the lowest point I seen it. Couldn't pass on that low a total. |
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Teams off 2 unders, not the best spot to take the Under and not a great spot to fade the Under. But with a big line adjustment off the 1st game and 2cd, 3rd games as well. 6.5 to 7.5 adjustment. Take these extra points and play the over. |
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OKC/Pacers OVER 222.5 --- 1.1 UNITS |
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Game 4 was a huge outlier. There at 250 games in the Sports Database wherein road favorites won by at least 3 points. In only 5 games (2%) did the winning team shoot less than 20.5% on 3PT FGA's. Naturally a sample size of 5 games provides no predictive value.
Do you know the 5 teams ? .............. I will run the numbers and check shooting efficiency margin in those games. Alot depends on all the other things teams do. OKC won FT battle pretty large and they won TO's, and FG% by decent amount then on top of that they won rebound battle. I doubt any of those other 5 teams did that. |
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: OKC to win series 4-2 (+105) over Pacers--- .5 units OKC -9 (-120) over Pacers --- 1.2 units I need OKC to win the next two games to cash my OKC -1.5 games series bet. Unfortunately I bet early and had to lay -250, so naturally I envy you. There certainly is a large enough talent gap to expect OKC to win the next two games. OKC is -380 for tomorrow's game per Scores and Odds and S&O had OKC -238 on the road Friday.
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: Spot favors OKC as the clearly better team, with the series tied 2-2 probabilities say the team to win the series should win game 5. winning teams in the finals cover at a high rate. From 2008 to 2015 I broke down all finals games some years back. Of 47 games only 6 did the losing team cover the spread, could of been a push or a few. I don't have more recent data but most likely it will be similar. Maybe not as good but still it will point to winning team. Unfortunately I don't have my lines record in finals games with series tied 2-2. The only spot I don't have. Since 94 there have been 11 teams tied 2-2 the winner of Game 5 has won series 8 times. All 3 losing teams played in the old 2-3-2 format which meant both games 6 & 7 were at home. And opp had 3 of 5 games at home, hence the 3-2 lead. But in game 5's be it 2-2 or 3-1 the one consistent is back teams off SU wins. Teams off losses are around 50% ATS. Teams off SU wins are above 65% From some reason I don't have the past 6 or 7 years I stop logging that info. Regardless pretty much everything wants to point to OKC. Play has to be on OKC. This is a pretty simple query: PO = 1 and W and round = 4 SU: 128-0 (11.2, 100.0%) ATS: 111-12-5 (9.4,90.2%) avg line = -1.83 (Obviously a lot of dogs win SU.) In the playoffs finals (that's round 4), teams that win SU win by an avg margin of 11.2 points and cover by an average of 9.4 points. The outright winners cover 90.2% of the games. What can we expect from a huge favorite? I looked at OKC and since I did not want to query for only games at -9.5, I used a line band of -7 to -12: PO = 1 and round = 4 and HF and -6.7 > line > -12.2 (SU 16-6, 72.7%) (ATS 9-10-3, 47.4%) If we assume that the HF wins 100% of the games: PO = 1 and round = 4 and HF and -6.7 > line > -12.2 and W SU: 16-0 (11.2,100.0%) ATS: 9-4-3 (2.2,69.2%) avg line = -8.97 That average ats margin of only 2.2 points does not provide much confidence even though 69.2% is quite appealing. Good luck to TC and his many tailers.
Very cool info dog ................ |
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Quote Originally Posted by gambling-devil:
Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: Spot favors OKC as the clearly better team, with the series tied 2-2 probabilities say the team to win the series should win game 5. winning teams in the finals cover at a high rate. I some how feel Indiana is a better team even though I am on them all 4 games for this series. I think OKC got the miracle cover on GAME-4. Indiana has better and deeper bench. I am surprise that the book is giving Indiana +10 for Game-5 Benedict Mathurin will be the difference in Game-5. No one on the OKC team can really guard him. I am surprise that Rick Carlisle did not turn him lose the last game. Pacers are playing very well together with alot of confidence but I'd question losing that game 4 like they did whether that breaks the sense of invincibility they had to win all these close games and make big comebacks..............
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OKC to win series 4-2 (+105) over Pacers--- .5 units OKC -9 (-120) over Pacers --- 1.2 units |
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Want to play a crazy prop ? OK let's do it .......
With Hali making all these last second shots, books now have him along with SGA as favorites to make the last second shot with no inbound pass after. Games ends on that shot. Pacers are not very likely to continuing winning these last second shot games. I say if there is such a game OKC wins the next one. The interesting player is Holmgren, he could get off rebound off a miss for dunk or off the glass bank as time expires or catch a lob similar to what Nuggets did . Or alley-op. When these props come out because of Hali I like the longshots on OKC. Let's not get crazy people, keep it very small. I think it is well worth a shot because of the situation with Hali being so far ahead of any player in history on last second shots for the win. What a fitting way for OKC to wrap up this series in Indy to make a last second shot at the buzzer considering all the buzz around Hali being the man.
This is for the series ............
Holmgren +50000 ---- .1 units Caruso +50000 --- .1 units Jaylen Williams +40000 --- .1 units
This could be an all-time great win for the ages ................. |
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Spot favors OKC as the clearly better team, with the series tied 2-2 probabilities say the team to win the series should win game 5.
winning teams in the finals cover at a high rate. From 2008 to 2015 I broke down all finals games some years back. Of 47 games only 6 did the losing team cover the spread, could of been a push or a few. I don't have more recent data but most likely it will be similar. Maybe not as good but still it will point to winning team.
Unfortunately I don't have my lines record in finals games with series tied 2-2. The only spot I don't have. Since 94 there have been 11 teams tied 2-2 the winner of Game 5 has won series 8 times. All 3 losing teams played in the old 2-3-2 format which meant both games 6 & 7 were at home. And opp had 3 of 5 games at home, hence the 3-2 lead. But in game 5's be it 2-2 or 3-1 the one consistent is back teams off SU wins. Teams off losses are around 50% ATS. Teams off SU wins are above 65% From some reason I don't have the past 6 or 7 years I stop logging that info. Regardless pretty much everything wants to point to OKC.
Play has to be on OKC. |
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MY LINES .........................game 5 OKC -12.51 over Pacers OKC -9.09 over Pacers ........since Jan 2.
My full season line is 1-1 ATS in finals Since Jan 2cd line is 0-1 ATS in finals. If we used my lines on game 3 then Jan 2cd line won while full season line had no play but since I don't use my lines on game 3 tied 1-1 the full season line has been a bit better. I look at all the playoff games and about the same result, both lines are pretty close, since Jan 2cd line is slightly ahead for what it is worth. But the one big advantage if since Jan 2cd line I would have been on Pacers to win series over Knicks . By using since Jan 2cd line missed out on a few fades on Pacers that were easy wins with no sweating it out at the end. So could that be the case game 5 ? Since Jan 2cd has no play but full season has OKC. Line would need to go to 10.5 to have a play on Pacers with Jan 2cd line which is not very likely |
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OKC won the all-important FG% battle 47.4 to 42.5 = 4.9%, that is 4-0 now for the winning team. Pacers won 3 pt % , 30.6 to 18.8 = 11.8% and Pacers took 36 attempts to OKC 16. That seems like a big win by Pacers but not really.THAT 30.6% equates to 45.9% on 2's. Considering Pacers shot over 50% on 2 pt shots and overall including TO's 46.64% by keeping cranking up 3's and misses is not creating an advantage. OKC shot very poor but limited their 3's. OKC won FT battle pretty good amount, 89.5% to 75.8% = 13.7% and they took 5 more FT's. Taking more FT's creates an even bigger advantage, on the 5 extra FT's that means Pacers are shooting from the field where each possession they averaged 46.64%. Wow, that's over a 42% advantage , that's why Taking more matters. Same with 3's unless you shoot poorly OKC won TO battle by only 2. The 2 big areas of strength for OKC, FT's and TO they won both while winning 1 by a pretty good amount. OKC won rebounding battle by 10. OKC I think has now won rebound battle in 3 of 4 games only losing game 1 when coach took both bigs out and try playing with a small line up.
Shooting Efficiency.......... OKC 50.45% Pacers 46.64% By 3.81%
Equates to a 11.67 point vistory. The right team won and should have covered the spread.
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Quote Originally Posted by slamspurs:
Claw any early thoughts on game 5? Prob gonna put in a wager tomorrow. Would like to know where ur at. Most of your writeups for the past couple of weeks have said something like OKC efficiency is great. And you’re going with the clearly better team. Which everyone knows is OKC. But obviously you can’t bet the clearly better team every game.
Yes you don't want to back the clearly better team each game.................. However based on the situation on how this series is playing out the spot has been better for the better team in each game. |
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Opps, won 1 unit not 1.1..........
Playoffs --- 24-19, won 4.99 units
Pacers finally lose their close game magic. Making big mistakes and missing key shots. Did OKC just break that air of invincibility the Pacers had ? OKC's defense was incredible late, super aggressive. I was pretty confident OKC would pull this game out going down the final 3 to 4 minutes. As I said those close wins are not repeatable over the longer run. But I didn't think they would cover, well, I thought they'd need to get lucky to cover. Which is what happened. |
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1-0, won 1.1 units Finals 2-2, lost .2 units |
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: This is an interesting factoid that belies public perceptions: Average 4Q margin for all playoff games this season OKC 1.6 IND 0.7 It would not surprise me to see OKC win the last few minutes despite IND being at home and OKC being so young. My sundial is two days fast.
It was only a matter of time............... Pacers cannot sustain winning every close game where every bounce goes there way, eventually things will go against them.
I saw a prop, Hali to make a last second shot to win the game with no inbound pass by opp after made shot. +4500 Books taking advantage of the Pacers close win magic to build their coffers.
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