Raiders were +10 vs mia on sunday night, they beat the jets and the line went to +12 and it keeps rising. according to thespread website 93% of bets are on dolphins.
Dolphins are 6-3. all six wins were vs teams with losing records. They lost to the bills, eagles and chiefs. Could have lost to the chargers if chargers coach wasn't an idiot. They beat up on bad teams. They beat the nyg without barkley by 15 and panthers by 21, destroyed the broncos. They should be double digit favorites over two teams panthers and giants, Even coming off the bye they are majorly overvalued here and raiders are undervalued. If dolphins win they will have to do something they haven't done yet, beat a team that doesn't have a losing record.
The raiders were an underachieving team at 3-5. They fired the coach and won two straight. Main problem is fixed. Adams is not disgruntled and jacobs is being fed the ball. Expect that to continue as dolphins can be run on.
Raiders were +10 vs mia on sunday night, they beat the jets and the line went to +12 and it keeps rising. according to thespread website 93% of bets are on dolphins.
Dolphins are 6-3. all six wins were vs teams with losing records. They lost to the bills, eagles and chiefs. Could have lost to the chargers if chargers coach wasn't an idiot. They beat up on bad teams. They beat the nyg without barkley by 15 and panthers by 21, destroyed the broncos. They should be double digit favorites over two teams panthers and giants, Even coming off the bye they are majorly overvalued here and raiders are undervalued. If dolphins win they will have to do something they haven't done yet, beat a team that doesn't have a losing record.
The raiders were an underachieving team at 3-5. They fired the coach and won two straight. Main problem is fixed. Adams is not disgruntled and jacobs is being fed the ball. Expect that to continue as dolphins can be run on.
Gl I like the raiders with that many points. If raiders can get pressure they can keep it close. Tuas biggest downfall is how he handles the pass rush.
Gl I like the raiders with that many points. If raiders can get pressure they can keep it close. Tuas biggest downfall is how he handles the pass rush.
The Raiders also haven't beaten anyone with a winning record so that kind of nullifies your point.
The point is dolphins are overvalued.
Raiders beat the jets who were 4-4 .500 on sunday, something the dolphins haven't done, everyone of their wins (except week1 0-0) came against a team that had a below.500 record at the time of the game. Meaning they were in a slump, dolphins caught them at the right time. Raiders are not laying -13 here. Getting 6 times my money if dolphins do what they do and that is lose to teams that aren't terrible. The point is raiders are not currently terrible. Therefore there is major value here, whether it wins or loses. Consider this next week jets are +2 vs miami in ny, the same jets team the raiders just beat. If this game took place a month ago dolphins would win by 2 tds probably, but it didn't. If you think the raiders are terrible and dolphins are great then bet with the 90% money and lay -13.
The Raiders also haven't beaten anyone with a winning record so that kind of nullifies your point.
The point is dolphins are overvalued.
Raiders beat the jets who were 4-4 .500 on sunday, something the dolphins haven't done, everyone of their wins (except week1 0-0) came against a team that had a below.500 record at the time of the game. Meaning they were in a slump, dolphins caught them at the right time. Raiders are not laying -13 here. Getting 6 times my money if dolphins do what they do and that is lose to teams that aren't terrible. The point is raiders are not currently terrible. Therefore there is major value here, whether it wins or loses. Consider this next week jets are +2 vs miami in ny, the same jets team the raiders just beat. If this game took place a month ago dolphins would win by 2 tds probably, but it didn't. If you think the raiders are terrible and dolphins are great then bet with the 90% money and lay -13.
okay then lay -850 with dolphins. Keep in mind atleast one of these double digit favs will lose, usually happens, too many ml parlays are being bet with probably lions, 49ers cowboys and dolphins this week.
okay then lay -850 with dolphins. Keep in mind atleast one of these double digit favs will lose, usually happens, too many ml parlays are being bet with probably lions, 49ers cowboys and dolphins this week.
IMHO, Raiders get boat raced by Miami. They are still the same guys, they just played the Jets and the Giants. All NY are 0-6 last two weeks. Those aren’t quality wins. The line is set there for a reason.
IMHO, Raiders get boat raced by Miami. They are still the same guys, they just played the Jets and the Giants. All NY are 0-6 last two weeks. Those aren’t quality wins. The line is set there for a reason.
@smellybunty okay then lay -850 with dolphins. Keep in mind atleast one of these double digit favs will lose, usually happens, too many ml parlays are being bet with probably lions, 49ers cowboys and dolphins this week.
I'm with you, I think 1 if not 2 of these double digit dogs will outright win. However, I don't think it will be the Dolphins. I think it's the Giants, TB, and or Carolina. I think Dolphins destroy the Raiders. However, it does scare me cuz Miami is 4-0 at home, they have to lose sometime right? I just don't think it's this week. We shall see
@smellybunty okay then lay -850 with dolphins. Keep in mind atleast one of these double digit favs will lose, usually happens, too many ml parlays are being bet with probably lions, 49ers cowboys and dolphins this week.
I'm with you, I think 1 if not 2 of these double digit dogs will outright win. However, I don't think it will be the Dolphins. I think it's the Giants, TB, and or Carolina. I think Dolphins destroy the Raiders. However, it does scare me cuz Miami is 4-0 at home, they have to lose sometime right? I just don't think it's this week. We shall see
@smellybunty okay then lay -850 with dolphins. Keep in mind atleast one of these double digit favs will lose, usually happens, too many ml parlays are being bet with probably lions, 49ers cowboys and dolphins this week.
Nothing wrong with your bet
I actually agree. My point was simply to argue against the reasoning you think they win. But, yes I would take the odds more on +13 and ML than the opposite.
@smellybunty okay then lay -850 with dolphins. Keep in mind atleast one of these double digit favs will lose, usually happens, too many ml parlays are being bet with probably lions, 49ers cowboys and dolphins this week.
Nothing wrong with your bet
I actually agree. My point was simply to argue against the reasoning you think they win. But, yes I would take the odds more on +13 and ML than the opposite.
IMHO, Raiders get boat raced by Miami. They are still the same guys, they just played the Jets and the Giants. All NY are 0-6 last two weeks. Those aren’t quality wins. The line is set there for a reason.
Winner. Runners are out of breath the sharps have been pounding this.
IMHO, Raiders get boat raced by Miami. They are still the same guys, they just played the Jets and the Giants. All NY are 0-6 last two weeks. Those aren’t quality wins. The line is set there for a reason.
Winner. Runners are out of breath the sharps have been pounding this.
Raiders plus points is the play. As long as they control the clock by running Jacobs and keeping Tua off the field. That's the only way they keep it close. Raiders are a different team than with McDaniels and they will play hard. I give them a fighters chance to pull the upset
Raiders plus points is the play. As long as they control the clock by running Jacobs and keeping Tua off the field. That's the only way they keep it close. Raiders are a different team than with McDaniels and they will play hard. I give them a fighters chance to pull the upset
IMHO, Raiders get boat raced by Miami. They are still the same guys, they just played the Jets and the Giants. All NY are 0-6 last two weeks. Those aren’t quality wins. The line is set there for a reason.
. then you have to take away every dolphin win except the chargers game, cause none are quality wins. The dolphins blowing out the giants is a quality win, but when the raiders do the exact same thing it isn't. A win is a win. Jets have more quality wins then dolphins do. Jets beat the eagles and bills and covered vs kc something the mighty dolphins have tried and failed to do. and the jets stink, but the dolphins are great?
IMHO, Raiders get boat raced by Miami. They are still the same guys, they just played the Jets and the Giants. All NY are 0-6 last two weeks. Those aren’t quality wins. The line is set there for a reason.
. then you have to take away every dolphin win except the chargers game, cause none are quality wins. The dolphins blowing out the giants is a quality win, but when the raiders do the exact same thing it isn't. A win is a win. Jets have more quality wins then dolphins do. Jets beat the eagles and bills and covered vs kc something the mighty dolphins have tried and failed to do. and the jets stink, but the dolphins are great?
Raiders plus points is the play. As long as they control the clock by running Jacobs and keeping Tua off the field. That's the only way they keep it close. Raiders are a different team than with McDaniels and they will play hard. I give them a fighters chance to pull the upset
Raiders plus points is the play. As long as they control the clock by running Jacobs and keeping Tua off the field. That's the only way they keep it close. Raiders are a different team than with McDaniels and they will play hard. I give them a fighters chance to pull the upset
Quote Originally Posted by lordbettington: @smellybunty okay then lay -850 with dolphins. Keep in mind atleast one of these double digit favs will lose, usually happens, too many ml parlays are being bet with probably lions, 49ers cowboys and dolphins this week. I'm with you, I think 1 if not 2 of these double digit dogs will outright win. However, I don't think it will be the Dolphins. I think it's the Giants, TB, and or Carolina. I think Dolphins destroy the Raiders. However, it does scare me cuz Miami is 4-0 at home, they have to lose sometime right? I just don't think it's this week. We shall see
Gaints, cowboys, 49ers and dolphins are the one getting the money between 75-95 in the early betting. Giants would be the obvious choice, given they beat wash the first time, but as a giants fan it is obvious they have quit. raiders are on a winning streak, the other teams, giants, bucs panthers are playing like garbage. dallas already lost a game to the cards like this one so they will be ready this time and won't take panthers lightly. 49ers the same having just brpoken out of their slump, will be ready as well.
Quote Originally Posted by lordbettington: @smellybunty okay then lay -850 with dolphins. Keep in mind atleast one of these double digit favs will lose, usually happens, too many ml parlays are being bet with probably lions, 49ers cowboys and dolphins this week. I'm with you, I think 1 if not 2 of these double digit dogs will outright win. However, I don't think it will be the Dolphins. I think it's the Giants, TB, and or Carolina. I think Dolphins destroy the Raiders. However, it does scare me cuz Miami is 4-0 at home, they have to lose sometime right? I just don't think it's this week. We shall see
Gaints, cowboys, 49ers and dolphins are the one getting the money between 75-95 in the early betting. Giants would be the obvious choice, given they beat wash the first time, but as a giants fan it is obvious they have quit. raiders are on a winning streak, the other teams, giants, bucs panthers are playing like garbage. dallas already lost a game to the cards like this one so they will be ready this time and won't take panthers lightly. 49ers the same having just brpoken out of their slump, will be ready as well.
Quote Originally Posted by lordbettington: @smellybunty okay then lay -850 with dolphins. Keep in mind atleast one of these double digit favs will lose, usually happens, too many ml parlays are being bet with probably lions, 49ers cowboys and dolphins this week. Nothing wrong with your bet I actually agree. My point was simply to argue against the reasoning you think they win. But, yes I would take the odds more on +13 and ML than the opposite.
Quote Originally Posted by lordbettington: @smellybunty okay then lay -850 with dolphins. Keep in mind atleast one of these double digit favs will lose, usually happens, too many ml parlays are being bet with probably lions, 49ers cowboys and dolphins this week. Nothing wrong with your bet I actually agree. My point was simply to argue against the reasoning you think they win. But, yes I would take the odds more on +13 and ML than the opposite.
What do you get when you mix silver and black...charcoal...which is what the Dolphins will use to light them up....
and this is coming from a die hard Raider fan...yes, the Raiders have played inspired the past couple of weeks but you can't expect them to hand with an offense like the Dolphins...Tua is mobile QB and the Jets and Giants are struggling at the QB position...not even close to the same caliber of talent...Crosby is an excellent player but not he will have much success against Tua...will he get a sack and some pressure...most likely but he can't do it by himself and when Tua runs away from the side Max is pressuring him from he will either have a running lane or an open receiver...just too much talent on the Dolphins side to score...Raiders cannot score...the score against the Giants was a fluke...most they had scored was 18...that just means the Dolphins have to score in the low 30's to cover...another key factor here that is probably the most critical but most don't consider is the fact that the Raiders have to travel to the East coast...this cannot be underestimated...the Raiders notoriously are dreadful and have been for many years having to travel East and playing in the early slate of games....just plain dreadful....doesn't bode well for the Raiders this week and the rookie O'Connell will simply not be able to keep up....Dolphins drop 48 on the raiders this week and win in style...
Good luck with your play
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What do you get when you mix silver and black...charcoal...which is what the Dolphins will use to light them up....
and this is coming from a die hard Raider fan...yes, the Raiders have played inspired the past couple of weeks but you can't expect them to hand with an offense like the Dolphins...Tua is mobile QB and the Jets and Giants are struggling at the QB position...not even close to the same caliber of talent...Crosby is an excellent player but not he will have much success against Tua...will he get a sack and some pressure...most likely but he can't do it by himself and when Tua runs away from the side Max is pressuring him from he will either have a running lane or an open receiver...just too much talent on the Dolphins side to score...Raiders cannot score...the score against the Giants was a fluke...most they had scored was 18...that just means the Dolphins have to score in the low 30's to cover...another key factor here that is probably the most critical but most don't consider is the fact that the Raiders have to travel to the East coast...this cannot be underestimated...the Raiders notoriously are dreadful and have been for many years having to travel East and playing in the early slate of games....just plain dreadful....doesn't bode well for the Raiders this week and the rookie O'Connell will simply not be able to keep up....Dolphins drop 48 on the raiders this week and win in style...
Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK: IMHO, Raiders get boat raced by Miami. They are still the same guys, they just played the Jets and the Giants. All NY are 0-6 last two weeks. Those aren’t quality wins. The line is set there for a reason. . then you have to take away every dolphin win except the chargers game, cause none are quality wins. The dolphins blowing out the giants is a quality win, but when the raiders do the exact same thing it isn't. A win is a win. Jets have more quality wins then dolphins do. Jets beat the eagles and bills and covered vs kc something the mighty dolphins have tried and failed to do. and the jets stink, but the dolphins are great?
Do you have eyes? Yes the Jets stink and the Giants are the worst team in the NFL. Dolphins beat who they should, they have lost @Buffalo(was at the game after their 70 point showing), @Philly and @KC(IN GERMANY).
So you think the sad sack Raiders are going to fly across country, play a noon game(9 AM their time) and beat Miami? Raiders do have some talent but those games fooled a lot of people, not sharps. That’s why the line has moved so much. I still think Raiders get boat raced, pun intended.
Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK: IMHO, Raiders get boat raced by Miami. They are still the same guys, they just played the Jets and the Giants. All NY are 0-6 last two weeks. Those aren’t quality wins. The line is set there for a reason. . then you have to take away every dolphin win except the chargers game, cause none are quality wins. The dolphins blowing out the giants is a quality win, but when the raiders do the exact same thing it isn't. A win is a win. Jets have more quality wins then dolphins do. Jets beat the eagles and bills and covered vs kc something the mighty dolphins have tried and failed to do. and the jets stink, but the dolphins are great?
Do you have eyes? Yes the Jets stink and the Giants are the worst team in the NFL. Dolphins beat who they should, they have lost @Buffalo(was at the game after their 70 point showing), @Philly and @KC(IN GERMANY).
So you think the sad sack Raiders are going to fly across country, play a noon game(9 AM their time) and beat Miami? Raiders do have some talent but those games fooled a lot of people, not sharps. That’s why the line has moved so much. I still think Raiders get boat raced, pun intended.
The east to west is not much of a factor statistically anymore.
Over 90% of the money is taking dolphins -13.5. If you think that is good and "sharp", good for you. I never feel good about being on a lopsided handle like that.
The east to west is not much of a factor statistically anymore.
Over 90% of the money is taking dolphins -13.5. If you think that is good and "sharp", good for you. I never feel good about being on a lopsided handle like that.
Raiders are 1-4 in road games this year...hard to ignore the facts that the Raiders are just flat out horrible on the road going back east...I'm a raider fan so I know...it's tough to watch...only chance the Raiders have is in a low scoring game and I'm not sure Tua knows what low is....Even if they stop Hill how do they stop Waddle...and how do they contain Mostert...there is just a significant talent gap between the two teams and the Raiders have factors working against them just on sheer travel alone....
I'm not here to talk you out of your wager, but facts are facts or stats are stats and they should be considered..it's not a small sample size so it is significant and the player/personnel this year is much less talented than in decades past...Even with a veteran like Carr this would have been a tough game, but with a rookie QB it's gonna be tough...
As a Raider fan I always hope, but as man that invests in the NFL I see this as being a tough slate....
Good luck man
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Raiders are 1-4 in road games this year...hard to ignore the facts that the Raiders are just flat out horrible on the road going back east...I'm a raider fan so I know...it's tough to watch...only chance the Raiders have is in a low scoring game and I'm not sure Tua knows what low is....Even if they stop Hill how do they stop Waddle...and how do they contain Mostert...there is just a significant talent gap between the two teams and the Raiders have factors working against them just on sheer travel alone....
I'm not here to talk you out of your wager, but facts are facts or stats are stats and they should be considered..it's not a small sample size so it is significant and the player/personnel this year is much less talented than in decades past...Even with a veteran like Carr this would have been a tough game, but with a rookie QB it's gonna be tough...
As a Raider fan I always hope, but as man that invests in the NFL I see this as being a tough slate....
You are using very old links, one is referencing the sandiego chargers and sb 53. the other is from 2019.
//www.sportsinsights.com/blog/is-there-still-a-disadvantage-for-nfl-west-coast-teams-traveling-east/ same website same source saying it isn't an advantage anymore.
As you know the raiders have been mostly bad for the last 20 years, bad in oakland, bad in ny, fla etc, just a bad team everywhere. The east to west was a disadvantage, but these teams have implemented strategies to overcome it over the years so it as not as much of an edge as in the past. Look at san fran last week playing at 1pm in jacksonville if you used this angle you lost. I bet san fran and won easily there.
Tua knows what a low scoring game is since his team scored 14 pts vs kc, you can bet the raiders coaches will study that film. This team has plenty of talent, they just needed to remove mcdaniels who is incompetent without brady and belicheck. You remember they blew 5 20 point leads last year, that is on bad coaching and in game adjustments, with competent coaching they would have been a playoff team. Dolphins have all that talent yet havn't beat a team at .500 or better.
You are a frustrated raiders fan, I get it. I am not, they are one of the teams that I do very well with. Two years ago I predicted and posted on this forum that the raiders would make the playoffs when the odds were 10-1. I took a lot of insult trying to help other bettors and I am getting them again. I believe this team not only makes the playoffs, they advance.
You are using very old links, one is referencing the sandiego chargers and sb 53. the other is from 2019.
//www.sportsinsights.com/blog/is-there-still-a-disadvantage-for-nfl-west-coast-teams-traveling-east/ same website same source saying it isn't an advantage anymore.
As you know the raiders have been mostly bad for the last 20 years, bad in oakland, bad in ny, fla etc, just a bad team everywhere. The east to west was a disadvantage, but these teams have implemented strategies to overcome it over the years so it as not as much of an edge as in the past. Look at san fran last week playing at 1pm in jacksonville if you used this angle you lost. I bet san fran and won easily there.
Tua knows what a low scoring game is since his team scored 14 pts vs kc, you can bet the raiders coaches will study that film. This team has plenty of talent, they just needed to remove mcdaniels who is incompetent without brady and belicheck. You remember they blew 5 20 point leads last year, that is on bad coaching and in game adjustments, with competent coaching they would have been a playoff team. Dolphins have all that talent yet havn't beat a team at .500 or better.
You are a frustrated raiders fan, I get it. I am not, they are one of the teams that I do very well with. Two years ago I predicted and posted on this forum that the raiders would make the playoffs when the odds were 10-1. I took a lot of insult trying to help other bettors and I am getting them again. I believe this team not only makes the playoffs, they advance.
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