I agree with you on Wicked Strong. I have never loved Derby horses that don't appear they can win outside of one track (unless its Churchill). I worry too given the surface at Aqueduct is not simialr to Churchill.
I disagree on workouts. Pre-derby workouts have been key for the last 10 years. I pay attention to Mike Welsch's clocker report. Here is a great example just last year.
https://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-final-clockers-report-orb-had-far-and-away-best-work-week
I agree with you on Wicked Strong. I have never loved Derby horses that don't appear they can win outside of one track (unless its Churchill). I worry too given the surface at Aqueduct is not simialr to Churchill.
I disagree on workouts. Pre-derby workouts have been key for the last 10 years. I pay attention to Mike Welsch's clocker report. Here is a great example just last year.
https://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-final-clockers-report-orb-had-far-and-away-best-work-week
I agree with you on Wicked Strong. I have never loved Derby horses that don't appear they can win outside of one track (unless its Churchill). I worry too given the surface at Aqueduct is not simialr to Churchill.
I disagree on workouts. Pre-derby workouts have been key for the last 10 years. I pay attention to Mike Welsch's clocker report. Here is a great example just last year.
https://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-final-clockers-report-orb-had-far-and-away-best-work-week
I agree with you on Wicked Strong. I have never loved Derby horses that don't appear they can win outside of one track (unless its Churchill). I worry too given the surface at Aqueduct is not simialr to Churchill.
I disagree on workouts. Pre-derby workouts have been key for the last 10 years. I pay attention to Mike Welsch's clocker report. Here is a great example just last year.
https://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-final-clockers-report-orb-had-far-and-away-best-work-week
That's true. He was also all over Union Rags two years ago. With that said, there was another horse he was heaping praise on...horse named "Ill Have Another."
Of course, there will be many horses that have great workouts that DO NOT perform well in the derby. Works cannot predict how a horse breaks, traffic, bad ride, injury, etc.
In looking back, what I have found is that the better predictor is horses that do not have great works not performing well. The only real exception I can think of was Shackleford, 4th in the Derby. I remember Welsch commenting many times that he looked lost and did not take well to the track.
Of course, he is no Mark Belling.
That's true. He was also all over Union Rags two years ago. With that said, there was another horse he was heaping praise on...horse named "Ill Have Another."
Of course, there will be many horses that have great workouts that DO NOT perform well in the derby. Works cannot predict how a horse breaks, traffic, bad ride, injury, etc.
In looking back, what I have found is that the better predictor is horses that do not have great works not performing well. The only real exception I can think of was Shackleford, 4th in the Derby. I remember Welsch commenting many times that he looked lost and did not take well to the track.
Of course, he is no Mark Belling.
That's true. He was also all over Union Rags two years ago. With that said, there was another horse he was heaping praise on...horse named "Ill Have Another."
Of course, there will be many horses that have great workouts that DO NOT perform well in the derby. Works cannot predict how a horse breaks, traffic, bad ride, injury, etc.
In looking back, what I have found is that the better predictor is horses that do not have great works not performing well. The only real exception I can think of was Shackleford, 4th in the Derby. I remember Welsch commenting many times that he looked lost and did not take well to the track.
Of course, he is no Mark Belling.
That's true. He was also all over Union Rags two years ago. With that said, there was another horse he was heaping praise on...horse named "Ill Have Another."
Of course, there will be many horses that have great workouts that DO NOT perform well in the derby. Works cannot predict how a horse breaks, traffic, bad ride, injury, etc.
In looking back, what I have found is that the better predictor is horses that do not have great works not performing well. The only real exception I can think of was Shackleford, 4th in the Derby. I remember Welsch commenting many times that he looked lost and did not take well to the track.
Of course, he is no Mark Belling.
Belling is not someone I would pay particular attention to when it comes to the Derby. Insiders are great when it comes to everyday racing because so many horses race hurt. I don't think the same kind of 'inside information'is as helpful for the Derby. Maybe the exception was Barbaro. People close to Martz said he pretty much guaranteed the Derby victory and that was out of character for him.
I do think Belling has commented before on works leading up to the Derby and I probably read those. That is why I liked guys like Welsch, etc. leading up the Derby.
As an aside, you are probably better sticking to the topics and debate without attacking fellow posters.
Belling is not someone I would pay particular attention to when it comes to the Derby. Insiders are great when it comes to everyday racing because so many horses race hurt. I don't think the same kind of 'inside information'is as helpful for the Derby. Maybe the exception was Barbaro. People close to Martz said he pretty much guaranteed the Derby victory and that was out of character for him.
I do think Belling has commented before on works leading up to the Derby and I probably read those. That is why I liked guys like Welsch, etc. leading up the Derby.
As an aside, you are probably better sticking to the topics and debate without attacking fellow posters.
Belling is not someone I would pay particular attention to when it comes to the Derby. Insiders are great when it comes to everyday racing because so many horses race hurt. I don't think the same kind of 'inside information'is as helpful for the Derby. Maybe the exception was Barbaro. People close to Martz said he pretty much guaranteed the Derby victory and that was out of character for him.
I do think Belling has commented before on works leading up to the Derby and I probably read those. That is why I liked guys like Welsch, etc. leading up the Derby.
As an aside, you are probably better sticking to the topics and debate without attacking fellow posters.
Belling is not someone I would pay particular attention to when it comes to the Derby. Insiders are great when it comes to everyday racing because so many horses race hurt. I don't think the same kind of 'inside information'is as helpful for the Derby. Maybe the exception was Barbaro. People close to Martz said he pretty much guaranteed the Derby victory and that was out of character for him.
I do think Belling has commented before on works leading up to the Derby and I probably read those. That is why I liked guys like Welsch, etc. leading up the Derby.
As an aside, you are probably better sticking to the topics and debate without attacking fellow posters.
Its safe to say that almost all of the so-called pundits know more people in the industry than most of the posters here. It doesn't mean that one must have the same knowledge to question their beliefs.
You rightfully pointed out that Welsch loved DKB. Just because he may know more of those involved doesn't mean you were wrong.
Try to be a little less combative over the next couple of weeks. There will be lots of opinions and numbers thrown around and they are just that. Unless it is a factual misstatement, it doesn't mean anyone is wrong.
Its safe to say that almost all of the so-called pundits know more people in the industry than most of the posters here. It doesn't mean that one must have the same knowledge to question their beliefs.
You rightfully pointed out that Welsch loved DKB. Just because he may know more of those involved doesn't mean you were wrong.
Try to be a little less combative over the next couple of weeks. There will be lots of opinions and numbers thrown around and they are just that. Unless it is a factual misstatement, it doesn't mean anyone is wrong.
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