There is no evidence anywhere, at all, that Zimmerman approached Martin.
So that is the answer to your question.
There is no evidence anywhere, at all, that Zimmerman approached Martin.
So that is the answer to your question.
There is no evidence anywhere, at all, that Zimmerman approached Martin.
So that is the answer to your question.
Can you please provide an example of this?
Which "facts" are being ignored?
Can you please provide an example of this?
Which "facts" are being ignored?
There is no evidence anywhere, at all, that Zimmerman approached Martin.
So that is the answer to your question.
There is no evidence anywhere, at all, that Zimmerman approached Martin.
So that is the answer to your question.
The fact remains that Z went looking for trouble where no trouble existed & he created & brought that trouble on himself & when things went badly for him, he shot & killed an innocent 17 yr old kid who was doing nothing wrong.
I seriuously doubt Martin (who was staying with his Dad not far from where it happened) was out that nite looking for someone to beat up & the way he fought tells me he felt he was in danger from this stranger who never identified himself & was stalking/following him for no reason, regardless of how the altercation started. Also, doubt seriously that Z had no other recourse but to shoot & kill -
The fact remains that Z went looking for trouble where no trouble existed & he created & brought that trouble on himself & when things went badly for him, he shot & killed an innocent 17 yr old kid who was doing nothing wrong.
I seriuously doubt Martin (who was staying with his Dad not far from where it happened) was out that nite looking for someone to beat up & the way he fought tells me he felt he was in danger from this stranger who never identified himself & was stalking/following him for no reason, regardless of how the altercation started. Also, doubt seriously that Z had no other recourse but to shoot & kill -
The fact remains that Z went looking for trouble where no trouble existed & he created & brought that trouble on himself & when things went badly for him, he shot & killed an innocent 17 yr old kid who was doing nothing wrong.
I seriuously doubt Martin (who was staying with his Dad not far from where it happened) was out that nite looking for someone to beat up & the way he fought tells me he felt he was in danger from this stranger who never identified himself & was stalking/following him for no reason, regardless of how the altercation started. Also, doubt seriously that Z had no other recourse but to shoot & kill -
Sentence one is no fact on two counts. Zimmerman didn't go looking for trouble and we don't know for sure that Trayvon wasn't casing the joint. (two meanings)
I don't believe Trayvon was looking for someone to beat up either. The whole thing is a tragedy. He crossed a line from just giving Zimmerman a beat down to pounding his head into the ground which could have caused brain trauma or worse.
Why do you give Trayvon enough slack to take it beyond a beat down? Since Trayvon had no signs of injury from Zimmerman, whay grounds did he have to punch him in the first place? The gun wasn't out or he would have mentioned it to his girlfriend.
No other recourse, what if the next blow knocks him out? The attackee has no burden to assume the attacker will be nice.
The fact remains that Z went looking for trouble where no trouble existed & he created & brought that trouble on himself & when things went badly for him, he shot & killed an innocent 17 yr old kid who was doing nothing wrong.
I seriuously doubt Martin (who was staying with his Dad not far from where it happened) was out that nite looking for someone to beat up & the way he fought tells me he felt he was in danger from this stranger who never identified himself & was stalking/following him for no reason, regardless of how the altercation started. Also, doubt seriously that Z had no other recourse but to shoot & kill -
Sentence one is no fact on two counts. Zimmerman didn't go looking for trouble and we don't know for sure that Trayvon wasn't casing the joint. (two meanings)
I don't believe Trayvon was looking for someone to beat up either. The whole thing is a tragedy. He crossed a line from just giving Zimmerman a beat down to pounding his head into the ground which could have caused brain trauma or worse.
Why do you give Trayvon enough slack to take it beyond a beat down? Since Trayvon had no signs of injury from Zimmerman, whay grounds did he have to punch him in the first place? The gun wasn't out or he would have mentioned it to his girlfriend.
No other recourse, what if the next blow knocks him out? The attackee has no burden to assume the attacker will be nice.
I think by now we are all sick and tired of your antics. All you seem to do is comment on the commentors and provide little original thought of your own.
Dont even bother trying in vain to explain yourself, we're not buying it. Just quit the bullshit and provide some value to the forums from NOW on.
I think by now we are all sick and tired of your antics. All you seem to do is comment on the commentors and provide little original thought of your own.
Dont even bother trying in vain to explain yourself, we're not buying it. Just quit the bullshit and provide some value to the forums from NOW on.
Sentence one is no fact on two counts. Zimmerman didn't go looking for trouble and we don't know for sure that Trayvon wasn't casing the joint. (two meanings)
I don't believe Trayvon was looking for someone to beat up either. The whole thing is a tragedy. He crossed a line from just giving Zimmerman a beat down to pounding his head into the ground which could have caused brain trauma or worse.
Why do you give Trayvon enough slack to take it beyond a beat down? Since Trayvon had no signs of injury from Zimmerman, whay grounds did he have to punch him in the first place? The gun wasn't out or he would have mentioned it to his girlfriend.
No other recourse, what if the next blow knocks him out? The attackee has no burden to assume the attacker will be nice.
Well, the only thing I've heard of the girfriends acct is that they were talking & M told her about Z following him & that he thought he'd lost him. She told him to run & he said no, I'll just walk fast. And then the exchange between the 2 that was different from Z's version and some rustling & then the phone went dead. As if it was Z who approached M not the other way around. But we've been over this before...
Sentence one is no fact on two counts. Zimmerman didn't go looking for trouble and we don't know for sure that Trayvon wasn't casing the joint. (two meanings)
I don't believe Trayvon was looking for someone to beat up either. The whole thing is a tragedy. He crossed a line from just giving Zimmerman a beat down to pounding his head into the ground which could have caused brain trauma or worse.
Why do you give Trayvon enough slack to take it beyond a beat down? Since Trayvon had no signs of injury from Zimmerman, whay grounds did he have to punch him in the first place? The gun wasn't out or he would have mentioned it to his girlfriend.
No other recourse, what if the next blow knocks him out? The attackee has no burden to assume the attacker will be nice.
Well, the only thing I've heard of the girfriends acct is that they were talking & M told her about Z following him & that he thought he'd lost him. She told him to run & he said no, I'll just walk fast. And then the exchange between the 2 that was different from Z's version and some rustling & then the phone went dead. As if it was Z who approached M not the other way around. But we've been over this before...
Well, the only thing I've heard of the girfriends acct is that they were talking & M told her about Z following him & that he thought he'd lost him. She told him to run & he said no, I'll just walk fast. And then the exchange between the 2 that was different from Z's version and some rustling & then the phone went dead. As if it was Z who approached M not the other way around. But we've been over this before...
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Please remind me why it even matters if Zimmerman was following Trayvon?
When did having someone following you give you grounds to pound their head into a sidewalk?
Well, the only thing I've heard of the girfriends acct is that they were talking & M told her about Z following him & that he thought he'd lost him. She told him to run & he said no, I'll just walk fast. And then the exchange between the 2 that was different from Z's version and some rustling & then the phone went dead. As if it was Z who approached M not the other way around. But we've been over this before...
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Please remind me why it even matters if Zimmerman was following Trayvon?
When did having someone following you give you grounds to pound their head into a sidewalk?
People with guns don't go around involving themselves in a tussle. Anyone who gets in a wrastling match is stupid for being close enough for that match to start.
There is no evidence to suggest that Zimmerman was lying. What is unbelievable and material that you believe is false and why?
People with guns don't go around involving themselves in a tussle. Anyone who gets in a wrastling match is stupid for being close enough for that match to start.
There is no evidence to suggest that Zimmerman was lying. What is unbelievable and material that you believe is false and why?
Since he had already been found with burglary tools we can assume that he is always casing. Especially since his stay was short term instead of long term. Where is your common sense and why are you so adamantly protectecting the dude who thinks fistfights come before verbal confrontation?
Since he had already been found with burglary tools we can assume that he is always casing. Especially since his stay was short term instead of long term. Where is your common sense and why are you so adamantly protectecting the dude who thinks fistfights come before verbal confrontation?
Because every available piece of actual evidence supports Zimmerman's account.
Because every available piece of actual evidence supports Zimmerman's account.
Well, the only thing I've heard of the girfriends acct is that they were talking & M told her about Z following him & that he thought he'd lost him. She told him to run & he said no, I'll just walk fast. And then the exchange between the 2 that was different from Z's version and some rustling & then the phone went dead. As if it was Z who approached M not the other way around. But we've been over this before...
It seems commonly accepted that Zimmerman lost sight of Martin.
So, why didn't Martin just run back to the townhouse?
And, if Martin's girlfriend actually hear part of this encounter and it was so scary, why did she contact nobody in the Martin family, no law enforcement agency, no attorney, or nobody in the media?
Well, the only thing I've heard of the girfriends acct is that they were talking & M told her about Z following him & that he thought he'd lost him. She told him to run & he said no, I'll just walk fast. And then the exchange between the 2 that was different from Z's version and some rustling & then the phone went dead. As if it was Z who approached M not the other way around. But we've been over this before...
It seems commonly accepted that Zimmerman lost sight of Martin.
So, why didn't Martin just run back to the townhouse?
And, if Martin's girlfriend actually hear part of this encounter and it was so scary, why did she contact nobody in the Martin family, no law enforcement agency, no attorney, or nobody in the media?
Um,
1. The injuries he suffered.
2. Witness statement saying Martin was beating him "MMA Style"
3. The distance of the shot that was fired to kill Martin.
All support Zimmerman which lend credibility to his statements regarding the event.
Um,
1. The injuries he suffered.
2. Witness statement saying Martin was beating him "MMA Style"
3. The distance of the shot that was fired to kill Martin.
All support Zimmerman which lend credibility to his statements regarding the event.
Mattbrott,
Why does it matter that Zimmerman approached Trayvon? Is there a law on the books that prohibits such an activity?
Is there a law that prohibits assault? Who bears the evidence that an assault took place?
Mattbrott,
Why does it matter that Zimmerman approached Trayvon? Is there a law on the books that prohibits such an activity?
Is there a law that prohibits assault? Who bears the evidence that an assault took place?
Mattbrott,
Why does it matter that Zimmerman approached Trayvon? Is there a law on the books that prohibits such an activity?
Is there a law that prohibits assault? Who bears the evidence that an assault took place?
Mattbrott,
Why does it matter that Zimmerman approached Trayvon? Is there a law on the books that prohibits such an activity?
Is there a law that prohibits assault? Who bears the evidence that an assault took place?
Um,
1. The injuries he suffered.
This is just evidence that he got his ass kicked. It tells us nothing about how the event went down.
2. Witness statement saying Martin was beating him "MMA Style"
You mean these witnesses (this story came out about 5 hours ago)?
https://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-shooting-witnesses-change-stories-ahead-zimmerman-133743219.html
3. The distance of the shot that was fired to kill Martin.
This is evidence that they were close to each other. This can be viewed any number of ways.
All support Zimmerman which lend credibility to his statements regarding the event.
Um,
1. The injuries he suffered.
This is just evidence that he got his ass kicked. It tells us nothing about how the event went down.
2. Witness statement saying Martin was beating him "MMA Style"
You mean these witnesses (this story came out about 5 hours ago)?
https://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-shooting-witnesses-change-stories-ahead-zimmerman-133743219.html
3. The distance of the shot that was fired to kill Martin.
This is evidence that they were close to each other. This can be viewed any number of ways.
All support Zimmerman which lend credibility to his statements regarding the event.
We know some of the circumstances about the confrontation from Trayvons girlfriend. Trayvon asked him why he was following him and Zimmerman responded with "What are you doing around here?
Doesnt sound all that aggressive to me?
Makes more sense that Zimmerman was sucker punched.
Do you give Zimmerman ANY benefit of the doubt for having called police MANY times before and no similar outcomes?
We know some of the circumstances about the confrontation from Trayvons girlfriend. Trayvon asked him why he was following him and Zimmerman responded with "What are you doing around here?
Doesnt sound all that aggressive to me?
Makes more sense that Zimmerman was sucker punched.
Do you give Zimmerman ANY benefit of the doubt for having called police MANY times before and no similar outcomes?
Read this story already and dont give it much credence. I'll believe witness statements as close to the incident as possible....before alterier motives take hold.
Read this story already and dont give it much credence. I'll believe witness statements as close to the incident as possible....before alterier motives take hold.
We know some of the circumstances about the confrontation from Trayvons girlfriend. Trayvon asked him why he was following him and Zimmerman responded with "What are you doing around here?
Doesnt sound all that aggressive to me?
Makes more sense that Zimmerman was sucker punched.
Do you give Zimmerman ANY benefit of the doubt for having called police MANY times before and no similar outcomes?
Trouble is, that's not what Z said. In his version, he said Martin came up from behind & the side as he was goin back to his car & said something to the effect of "you got a problem, homie" to which he replied "no' & then T supposedly said "well, now you do" & then sucker punched him. And also something like, "now you're gonna die". Total bs imo -
Z had serious anger probs & was also prejudiced & overzealous to say the least. The # of 911 calls, & some of his aquantainces as well as some of his past co-workers & neighbors all attest to that. And in his 911 call, he shows that he thought T was already up to no good & that he was going to try to stop another asshole who always gets away.
Trayvon was no angel & he may have liked to play the cool, tough gangsta type which so many do these days, but he was well-liked, not known for getting into fights at school & had never even been arrested. And in the jewelery/screwdriver deal, he was only questioned, not arrested & they never even called his parents or school about it so they must have believed him.
We know some of the circumstances about the confrontation from Trayvons girlfriend. Trayvon asked him why he was following him and Zimmerman responded with "What are you doing around here?
Doesnt sound all that aggressive to me?
Makes more sense that Zimmerman was sucker punched.
Do you give Zimmerman ANY benefit of the doubt for having called police MANY times before and no similar outcomes?
Trouble is, that's not what Z said. In his version, he said Martin came up from behind & the side as he was goin back to his car & said something to the effect of "you got a problem, homie" to which he replied "no' & then T supposedly said "well, now you do" & then sucker punched him. And also something like, "now you're gonna die". Total bs imo -
Z had serious anger probs & was also prejudiced & overzealous to say the least. The # of 911 calls, & some of his aquantainces as well as some of his past co-workers & neighbors all attest to that. And in his 911 call, he shows that he thought T was already up to no good & that he was going to try to stop another asshole who always gets away.
Trayvon was no angel & he may have liked to play the cool, tough gangsta type which so many do these days, but he was well-liked, not known for getting into fights at school & had never even been arrested. And in the jewelery/screwdriver deal, he was only questioned, not arrested & they never even called his parents or school about it so they must have believed him.
Because every available piece of actual evidence supports Zimmerman's account.
Maybe, but in this case it doesn't tell the story of what happened exactly or the how & why.
Because every available piece of actual evidence supports Zimmerman's account.
Maybe, but in this case it doesn't tell the story of what happened exactly or the how & why.
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