I was commenting on the 18" remark dj......but yes I do agree everything should be examined and disected.
That is a huge issue in this case. If the shot was fired from 18 inches away, that is clearly (and legally) enough room for Zimmerman to have disengaged.
I was commenting on the 18" remark dj......but yes I do agree everything should be examined and disected.
That is a huge issue in this case. If the shot was fired from 18 inches away, that is clearly (and legally) enough room for Zimmerman to have disengaged.
Thanks... Marijuana is a such a complicated substance and there is so much ignorance about the topic (as seen on this site) that the amount of misinformation and just plain blatantly untrue lies that people insist on propagating is crazy...
A more logical is what began me looking at Ron Paul as the best option for president...
Thanks... Marijuana is a such a complicated substance and there is so much ignorance about the topic (as seen on this site) that the amount of misinformation and just plain blatantly untrue lies that people insist on propagating is crazy...
A more logical is what began me looking at Ron Paul as the best option for president...
Still, there is no evidence to suggest that Trayvonn disengaged at all until he was shot. Would be very difficult to prove and show.
Still find it very unlikely that the gun was out before the ground and pound. Based on likelihood of Trayvon jumping someone holding a gun on him combined with the likelihood of Zimmerman being dumb enough to pull a gun on him from a distance close enough to be jumped.
Still, there is no evidence to suggest that Trayvonn disengaged at all until he was shot. Would be very difficult to prove and show.
Still find it very unlikely that the gun was out before the ground and pound. Based on likelihood of Trayvon jumping someone holding a gun on him combined with the likelihood of Zimmerman being dumb enough to pull a gun on him from a distance close enough to be jumped.
I've already read this. There have been other conclusions that the gun was 1-18 inches away. I am not convinced that her examination would be able to definitively make the conclusion that the gun was touching because the same wound, burns, and residue would occur at a distance of give or take 18 inches.
In other words, she made be right about the gun touching, and there is room for error in this conclusion as well.
Wait, wait, wait.
You mean to tell me that the person who carried on endlessly about an autopsy report not being the same as ballistic tests is going to reference an autopsy report to suggest the shot came from further away?
GET OUT!!!!
From the Washington Post:
A lab report, based on an examination of the two sweatshirts Martin was
wearing, found holes and gunshot residue consistent with a “contact
shot,” meaning the gun was pressed against Martin’s chest. An autopsy
report said that the gunshot wound indicated he was shot from an
“intermediate range,” which experts say is between one and 18 inches
away.
That is so funny dj. I mean really. It is just too much...
I've already read this. There have been other conclusions that the gun was 1-18 inches away. I am not convinced that her examination would be able to definitively make the conclusion that the gun was touching because the same wound, burns, and residue would occur at a distance of give or take 18 inches.
In other words, she made be right about the gun touching, and there is room for error in this conclusion as well.
Wait, wait, wait.
You mean to tell me that the person who carried on endlessly about an autopsy report not being the same as ballistic tests is going to reference an autopsy report to suggest the shot came from further away?
GET OUT!!!!
From the Washington Post:
A lab report, based on an examination of the two sweatshirts Martin was
wearing, found holes and gunshot residue consistent with a “contact
shot,” meaning the gun was pressed against Martin’s chest. An autopsy
report said that the gunshot wound indicated he was shot from an
“intermediate range,” which experts say is between one and 18 inches
away.
That is so funny dj. I mean really. It is just too much...
The range of the gunshot and the fact that Zimmerman's back was wet, and a witness puts Martin on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman's injuries, lead one to reasonably conclude that the shot was fired in self defense.
The range of the gunshot and the fact that Zimmerman's back was wet, and a witness puts Martin on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman's injuries, lead one to reasonably conclude that the shot was fired in self defense.
Why are you so obsessed with this non-political topic?
It reminds me of this black woman I worked with once that talk about how she followed the OJ case very closely and paid attention to every little detail and weighed all of the evidence and it was obviously that OJ was innocent as she knew from the beginning...
I then asked her... "If you knew it from the beginning, why even follow every little detail?"... she responded... "Well I had to find the facts to prove for what I already knew was true"
Why are you so obsessed with this non-political topic?
It reminds me of this black woman I worked with once that talk about how she followed the OJ case very closely and paid attention to every little detail and weighed all of the evidence and it was obviously that OJ was innocent as she knew from the beginning...
I then asked her... "If you knew it from the beginning, why even follow every little detail?"... she responded... "Well I had to find the facts to prove for what I already knew was true"
Bottom line is that Z shot and killed an innocent person who originally was no threat to him. His actions made this event what it was. That is why Z won't be able to claim self defense or "Stand your ground"
Bottom line is that Z shot and killed an innocent person who originally was no threat to him. His actions made this event what it was. That is why Z won't be able to claim self defense or "Stand your ground"
You mean to tell me that the person who carried on endlessly about an autopsy report not being the same as ballistic tests is going to reference an autopsy report to suggest the shot came from further away?
GET OUT!!!!
From the Washington Post:
A lab report, based on an examination of the two sweatshirts Martin was wearing, found holes and gunshot residue consistent with a “contact shot,” meaning the gun was pressed against Martin’s chest. An autopsy report said that the gunshot wound indicated he was shot from an “intermediate range,” which experts say is between one and 18 inches away.
That is so funny dj. I mean really. It is just too much... [/Quote
Actually, you are the one referencing the autopsy results. It is funny, though, that in post 80, you stated this wasn't a simple autopsy, yet the article you referenced referred to it as exactly that.
The error margin in autopsy results as compared to wound ballistics is greater. It doesn't mean the report you cited is wrong. The wound could have with the gun touching Martin, as stated. But it is by no means conclusive.
You mean to tell me that the person who carried on endlessly about an autopsy report not being the same as ballistic tests is going to reference an autopsy report to suggest the shot came from further away?
GET OUT!!!!
From the Washington Post:
A lab report, based on an examination of the two sweatshirts Martin was wearing, found holes and gunshot residue consistent with a “contact shot,” meaning the gun was pressed against Martin’s chest. An autopsy report said that the gunshot wound indicated he was shot from an “intermediate range,” which experts say is between one and 18 inches away.
That is so funny dj. I mean really. It is just too much... [/Quote
Actually, you are the one referencing the autopsy results. It is funny, though, that in post 80, you stated this wasn't a simple autopsy, yet the article you referenced referred to it as exactly that.
The error margin in autopsy results as compared to wound ballistics is greater. It doesn't mean the report you cited is wrong. The wound could have with the gun touching Martin, as stated. But it is by no means conclusive.
The range of the gunshot and the fact that Zimmerman's back was wet, and a witness puts Martin on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman's injuries, lead one to reasonably conclude that the shot was fired in self defense.
Could be.
By the same token, it is also possible that Martin had ended the confrontation, realizing that Zimmerman had a weapon pointed at him, and that Zimmerman shot him anyway.
The range of the gunshot and the fact that Zimmerman's back was wet, and a witness puts Martin on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman's injuries, lead one to reasonably conclude that the shot was fired in self defense.
Could be.
By the same token, it is also possible that Martin had ended the confrontation, realizing that Zimmerman had a weapon pointed at him, and that Zimmerman shot him anyway.
Actually, you are the one referencing the autopsy results. It is funny, though, that in post 80, you stated this wasn't a simple autopsy, yet the article you referenced referred to it as exactly that.
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The article said no such thing. I also addressed this point in post # 77 and provided a link to the discovery document in #78 which is the source of all of the information, autopsy & lab tests.
Actually, you are the one referencing the autopsy results. It is funny, though, that in post 80, you stated this wasn't a simple autopsy, yet the article you referenced referred to it as exactly that.
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The article said no such thing. I also addressed this point in post # 77 and provided a link to the discovery document in #78 which is the source of all of the information, autopsy & lab tests.
By the same token, it is also possible that Martin had ended the confrontation, realizing that Zimmerman had a weapon pointed at him, and that Zimmerman shot him anyway.
Certainly possible. But unless there is a witness, I don't see how a jury could be persuaded on that.
By the same token, it is also possible that Martin had ended the confrontation, realizing that Zimmerman had a weapon pointed at him, and that Zimmerman shot him anyway.
Certainly possible. But unless there is a witness, I don't see how a jury could be persuaded on that.
Bottom line is that Z shot and killed an innocent person who originally was no threat to him. His actions made this event what it was. That is why Z won't be able to claim self defense or "Stand your ground"
...but at some point did become a threat to him. Doesn't matter about the threat origanally.
Al Quaeda was no threat to us in 1923 but in 2001 they became a threat to us.
Bottom line is that Z shot and killed an innocent person who originally was no threat to him. His actions made this event what it was. That is why Z won't be able to claim self defense or "Stand your ground"
...but at some point did become a threat to him. Doesn't matter about the threat origanally.
Al Quaeda was no threat to us in 1923 but in 2001 they became a threat to us.
Actually, you are the one referencing the autopsy results. It is funny, though, that in post 80, you stated this wasn't a simple autopsy, yet the article you referenced referred to it as exactly that.
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The article said no such thing. I also addressed this point in post # 77 and provided a link to the discovery document in #78 which is the source of all of the information, autopsy & lab tests.
From the article:
Autopsy report released
Trayvon's autopsy showed that he died of a shot to the heart and that the gun was so close, it had left gunpowder burns on his skin.
Florida Department of Law Enforcement firearms expert Amy Siewert examined Trayvon's gray sweat shirt and gray hoodie for powder burns and wrote that she found them on both garments, prompting her to conclude that the muzzle of the gun was touching them when Zimmerman pulled the trigger.
The Volusia County Medical Examiner's Office found just one other injury on Trayvon's body: a small "abrasion" on one finger of his left hand. It also found THC — the active chemical in marijuana — in Trayvon's blood and urine.
And they gave definitive word on his size: 5-feet-11, 158 pounds. Zimmerman's family has said Zimmerman was 5-feet-8 and about 190 pounds.
Actually, you are the one referencing the autopsy results. It is funny, though, that in post 80, you stated this wasn't a simple autopsy, yet the article you referenced referred to it as exactly that.
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The article said no such thing. I also addressed this point in post # 77 and provided a link to the discovery document in #78 which is the source of all of the information, autopsy & lab tests.
From the article:
Autopsy report released
Trayvon's autopsy showed that he died of a shot to the heart and that the gun was so close, it had left gunpowder burns on his skin.
Florida Department of Law Enforcement firearms expert Amy Siewert examined Trayvon's gray sweat shirt and gray hoodie for powder burns and wrote that she found them on both garments, prompting her to conclude that the muzzle of the gun was touching them when Zimmerman pulled the trigger.
The Volusia County Medical Examiner's Office found just one other injury on Trayvon's body: a small "abrasion" on one finger of his left hand. It also found THC — the active chemical in marijuana — in Trayvon's blood and urine.
And they gave definitive word on his size: 5-feet-11, 158 pounds. Zimmerman's family has said Zimmerman was 5-feet-8 and about 190 pounds.
Trayvon's autopsy showed that he died of a shot to the heart and that the gun was so close, it had left gunpowder burns on his skin.
Florida Department of Law Enforcement firearms expert Amy Siewert examined Trayvon's gray sweat shirt and gray hoodie for powder burns and wrote that she found them on both garments, prompting her to conclude that the muzzle of the gun was touching them when Zimmerman pulled the trigger.
The Volusia County Medical Examiner's Office found just one other injury on Trayvon's body: a small "abrasion" on one finger of his left hand. It also found THC — the active chemical in marijuana — in Trayvon's blood and urine.
And they gave definitive word on his size: 5-feet-11, 158 pounds. Zimmerman's family has said Zimmerman was 5-feet-8 and about 190 pounds.
Where's all those people who lied about him being some 6'3 hulk? 5'11 and 158? He couldn't hurt a fukkin fly. Z had 30+ pounds on the kid.
Trayvon's autopsy showed that he died of a shot to the heart and that the gun was so close, it had left gunpowder burns on his skin.
Florida Department of Law Enforcement firearms expert Amy Siewert examined Trayvon's gray sweat shirt and gray hoodie for powder burns and wrote that she found them on both garments, prompting her to conclude that the muzzle of the gun was touching them when Zimmerman pulled the trigger.
The Volusia County Medical Examiner's Office found just one other injury on Trayvon's body: a small "abrasion" on one finger of his left hand. It also found THC — the active chemical in marijuana — in Trayvon's blood and urine.
And they gave definitive word on his size: 5-feet-11, 158 pounds. Zimmerman's family has said Zimmerman was 5-feet-8 and about 190 pounds.
Where's all those people who lied about him being some 6'3 hulk? 5'11 and 158? He couldn't hurt a fukkin fly. Z had 30+ pounds on the kid.
One thing for sure if the z-man gets off the hook, we won't have to worry about him fugging with any young teenagers again. The z-man took more shots to the face than a Colombian Prostitute!
One thing for sure if the z-man gets off the hook, we won't have to worry about him fugging with any young teenagers again. The z-man took more shots to the face than a Colombian Prostitute!
One thing for sure if the z-man gets off the hook, we won't have to worry about him fugging with any young teenagers again. The z-man took more shots to the face than a Colombian Prostitute!
One thing for sure if the z-man gets off the hook, we won't have to worry about him fugging with any young teenagers again. The z-man took more shots to the face than a Colombian Prostitute!
In a proof beyond a reasonable doubt scenario, not a chance.
If this is the prosecutions theory, they better have some evidence to support this.
I think the prosecution is only going to go so far as to say that Zimmerman "profiled" him (not a crime) and provoked a confrontation (not 2nd degree murder) and therefore those actions show depravity.
Or something.
This case is putting the criminal justice system in a bad light.
Oh, and to believe Martin's friend "Dee-Dee" one has to believe she was horrified about what she heard on the phone but decided not to call the police or reach out to the Martin family. Makes a ton of sense.
In a proof beyond a reasonable doubt scenario, not a chance.
If this is the prosecutions theory, they better have some evidence to support this.
I think the prosecution is only going to go so far as to say that Zimmerman "profiled" him (not a crime) and provoked a confrontation (not 2nd degree murder) and therefore those actions show depravity.
Or something.
This case is putting the criminal justice system in a bad light.
Oh, and to believe Martin's friend "Dee-Dee" one has to believe she was horrified about what she heard on the phone but decided not to call the police or reach out to the Martin family. Makes a ton of sense.
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