I hear ya Peters, its very frustrating because the burden of proof is nearly impossible. My ex called me yesterday and said I wouldnt be getting my daughter this weekend even though I have visitation, and the court needs to see a pattern of this before they'll even do anything, and even once they do, it doesn't give me back Easter with my daughter this weekend and it's her Bday to. As for the restraining order and abuse allegations, you have to be careful and try to protect your good name, once that stuff is on your record, it's hard to shake it, no matter how unfounded it is. I personally keep a log of all our interactions and denials of visitation and so forth, for when we do go to court. Also I would never text or say anything that could even remotely be construed that way. As a man you have to just grin and bear it, hence our frustration.
I hear ya Peters, its very frustrating because the burden of proof is nearly impossible. My ex called me yesterday and said I wouldnt be getting my daughter this weekend even though I have visitation, and the court needs to see a pattern of this before they'll even do anything, and even once they do, it doesn't give me back Easter with my daughter this weekend and it's her Bday to. As for the restraining order and abuse allegations, you have to be careful and try to protect your good name, once that stuff is on your record, it's hard to shake it, no matter how unfounded it is. I personally keep a log of all our interactions and denials of visitation and so forth, for when we do go to court. Also I would never text or say anything that could even remotely be construed that way. As a man you have to just grin and bear it, hence our frustration.
I hear ya Peters, its very frustrating because the burden of proof is nearly impossible. My ex called me yesterday and said I wouldnt be getting my daughter this weekend even though I have visitation, and the court needs to see a pattern of this before they'll even do anything, and even once they do, it doesn't give me back Easter with my daughter this weekend and it's her Bday to. As for the restraining order and abuse allegations, you have to be careful and try to protect your good name, once that stuff is on your record, it's hard to shake it, no matter how unfounded it is. I personally keep a log of all our interactions and denials of visitation and so forth, for when we do go to court. Also I would never text or say anything that could even remotely be construed that way. As a man you have to just grin and bear it, hence our frustration.
I hear ya Peters, its very frustrating because the burden of proof is nearly impossible. My ex called me yesterday and said I wouldnt be getting my daughter this weekend even though I have visitation, and the court needs to see a pattern of this before they'll even do anything, and even once they do, it doesn't give me back Easter with my daughter this weekend and it's her Bday to. As for the restraining order and abuse allegations, you have to be careful and try to protect your good name, once that stuff is on your record, it's hard to shake it, no matter how unfounded it is. I personally keep a log of all our interactions and denials of visitation and so forth, for when we do go to court. Also I would never text or say anything that could even remotely be construed that way. As a man you have to just grin and bear it, hence our frustration.
I came to a point where I realized my daughter was better off with us divorced rather then together. I don't believe in the whole "stay together for the kids mentality. I kept asking myself the question is it better for my daughtr to see us both unhappy and fighting all the time or having two seperate "families", and to be honest with you I have no regrets with regards to that. My Ex made me miserable and it was this whole dark cloud over us all. Since we broke up my daughter has actually developed stronger relationships with my siblings and parents then she ever had with them before, so if there is a silver lining to it all that is it.
I came to a point where I realized my daughter was better off with us divorced rather then together. I don't believe in the whole "stay together for the kids mentality. I kept asking myself the question is it better for my daughtr to see us both unhappy and fighting all the time or having two seperate "families", and to be honest with you I have no regrets with regards to that. My Ex made me miserable and it was this whole dark cloud over us all. Since we broke up my daughter has actually developed stronger relationships with my siblings and parents then she ever had with them before, so if there is a silver lining to it all that is it.
my girlfriend as we speak is 19 it is no joke my friend. she is great with my daughter and is the 2nd best thing that ever happened to me. I love her to death and one of the main reasons is she doesnt have that jaded, miserable, negative outlook on life my ex had that alot of women get as they get older and have kids and realize their looks don't last forever. we are in the process of moving in together. you may feel different but IMO he age doesnt mean I'm a bad person or bad father. I'm only 28 so it's not that big of a deal
my girlfriend as we speak is 19 it is no joke my friend. she is great with my daughter and is the 2nd best thing that ever happened to me. I love her to death and one of the main reasons is she doesnt have that jaded, miserable, negative outlook on life my ex had that alot of women get as they get older and have kids and realize their looks don't last forever. we are in the process of moving in together. you may feel different but IMO he age doesnt mean I'm a bad person or bad father. I'm only 28 so it's not that big of a deal
It's not off topic. That is why he probably lost the court battle. He was too busy trying to fuck his employees instead of trying to raise his children. So he will just bitch and moan that he didn't get his way in court and god forbid has to pay child support.
I don't know your case or anything or what actually happened, but that's how you came off in this forum anyways. It's a shitty situation to be in, but to win in court you have to be flawless or atleast make the other look like a fuck up. So who knows how bad you pissed your ex off. Maybe you were out fucking everyone in sight while she stayed at home with your daughter. Or maybe you stayed at home taking care of her, but she had proof otherwise?
It's not off topic. That is why he probably lost the court battle. He was too busy trying to fuck his employees instead of trying to raise his children. So he will just bitch and moan that he didn't get his way in court and god forbid has to pay child support.
I don't know your case or anything or what actually happened, but that's how you came off in this forum anyways. It's a shitty situation to be in, but to win in court you have to be flawless or atleast make the other look like a fuck up. So who knows how bad you pissed your ex off. Maybe you were out fucking everyone in sight while she stayed at home with your daughter. Or maybe you stayed at home taking care of her, but she had proof otherwise?
I'm sorry to hear that it appears you want to be with your child. I don't see why it is so difficult to stop the move away order.You just have to prove that your daughter is better fit to stay in California with you? I'm in Nevada and we were actually thinking of moving away just to get away from her ex and it was almost an impossible feat from what the lawyers were saying. The only way we can do it is if we found a significantly better paying job and can prove to the court that it would be better for her kid to live there, but even then it would be our financial burden to make sure her son continued with the visitation.
Maybe try to take her to court in another district? I'm sure you're heartbroken, but there has to be something that can be done.
I'm sorry to hear that it appears you want to be with your child. I don't see why it is so difficult to stop the move away order.You just have to prove that your daughter is better fit to stay in California with you? I'm in Nevada and we were actually thinking of moving away just to get away from her ex and it was almost an impossible feat from what the lawyers were saying. The only way we can do it is if we found a significantly better paying job and can prove to the court that it would be better for her kid to live there, but even then it would be our financial burden to make sure her son continued with the visitation.
Maybe try to take her to court in another district? I'm sure you're heartbroken, but there has to be something that can be done.
I don't know Peters circumstances and neither do you so we really aren't in a position to judge him. I will say there are many circumstances that could effect his situation. One you touched on his ex could've very well played a hell of a game, which it sounds like she has. All a women, especially a truley evil one, has to do is file for restraining order against him or falsely accuse him of being abusive, and like I said it drastically hurts his position, thats why like I said you have to be careful. For example he couldve been denied the right to see his kid for months and got frustrated (its a type of frustration you can't imagine unless you've been through it) and sent her texts saying shes a bitch and its not over blah blah and then she turns around and uses that against him. Honestly my anger and frustration becomes unbearable even after a couple weekends of my daughter being kept from me so I can't imagine what it would be like to go for months without seeing mine. Also money is a huge factor, as sad as it is, our legal system is based on good representation and she couldve had a crafty lawyer or more money in general to screw him. Also she may just have more free time, if he works full time and she doesnt, she could simply continuously take him to court, which is hard to work out if he works like 50 hrs a week, and if he misses court dates the judge can simply rule against him. I'm not saying any of this happened and I don't know him but your making my point Bill for how f*ed up the whole system is sometimes.
I don't know Peters circumstances and neither do you so we really aren't in a position to judge him. I will say there are many circumstances that could effect his situation. One you touched on his ex could've very well played a hell of a game, which it sounds like she has. All a women, especially a truley evil one, has to do is file for restraining order against him or falsely accuse him of being abusive, and like I said it drastically hurts his position, thats why like I said you have to be careful. For example he couldve been denied the right to see his kid for months and got frustrated (its a type of frustration you can't imagine unless you've been through it) and sent her texts saying shes a bitch and its not over blah blah and then she turns around and uses that against him. Honestly my anger and frustration becomes unbearable even after a couple weekends of my daughter being kept from me so I can't imagine what it would be like to go for months without seeing mine. Also money is a huge factor, as sad as it is, our legal system is based on good representation and she couldve had a crafty lawyer or more money in general to screw him. Also she may just have more free time, if he works full time and she doesnt, she could simply continuously take him to court, which is hard to work out if he works like 50 hrs a week, and if he misses court dates the judge can simply rule against him. I'm not saying any of this happened and I don't know him but your making my point Bill for how f*ed up the whole system is sometimes.
I'm sorry to hear that it appears you want to be with your child. I don't see why it is so difficult to stop the move away order.You just have to prove that your daughter is better fit to stay in California with you? I'm in Nevada and we were actually thinking of moving away just to get away from her ex and it was almost an impossible feat from what the lawyers were saying. The only way we can do it is if we found a significantly better paying job and can prove to the court that it would be better for her kid to live there, but even then it would be our financial burden to make sure her son continued with the visitation.
Maybe try to take her to court in another district? I'm sure you're heartbroken, but there has to be something that can be done.
I'm sorry to hear that it appears you want to be with your child. I don't see why it is so difficult to stop the move away order.You just have to prove that your daughter is better fit to stay in California with you? I'm in Nevada and we were actually thinking of moving away just to get away from her ex and it was almost an impossible feat from what the lawyers were saying. The only way we can do it is if we found a significantly better paying job and can prove to the court that it would be better for her kid to live there, but even then it would be our financial burden to make sure her son continued with the visitation.
Maybe try to take her to court in another district? I'm sure you're heartbroken, but there has to be something that can be done.
It's not off topic. That is why he probably lost the court battle. He was too busy trying to fuck his employees instead of trying to raise his children. So he will just bitch and moan that he didn't get his way in court and god forbid has to pay child support.
I don't know your case or anything or what actually happened, but that's how you came off in this forum anyways. It's a shitty situation to be in, but to win in court you have to be flawless or atleast make the other look like a fuck up. So who knows how bad you pissed your ex off. Maybe you were out fucking everyone in sight while she stayed at home with your daughter. Or maybe you stayed at home taking care of her, but she had proof otherwise?
My relationship now has nothing to do with it, we're talking about all that happening a year and a half later and you're missing the entire point. I didn't lose the court battle it was pretty much pay a fortune in legal costs and end up in the postion I am anyway with weekend visitations. Most states including MA, the state I'm in have "no-fault" divorces so It didn't matter who left whom or why. As for child support what was the first thing I said I don't mind paying it at all I have plenty of money and come from a very wealthy family thats my point there is no real due process. Pretty much the woman gets custody right off the bat. You didn't really say anything about how you got custody your baby's mother must've had some pretty serious issues or just didn't want the kids because I've never heard of a woman having no visitation and the man getting full custody unless as I said the woman is a dope fiend, alcoholic or has been involuntarily commited to a psych hospital
It's not off topic. That is why he probably lost the court battle. He was too busy trying to fuck his employees instead of trying to raise his children. So he will just bitch and moan that he didn't get his way in court and god forbid has to pay child support.
I don't know your case or anything or what actually happened, but that's how you came off in this forum anyways. It's a shitty situation to be in, but to win in court you have to be flawless or atleast make the other look like a fuck up. So who knows how bad you pissed your ex off. Maybe you were out fucking everyone in sight while she stayed at home with your daughter. Or maybe you stayed at home taking care of her, but she had proof otherwise?
My relationship now has nothing to do with it, we're talking about all that happening a year and a half later and you're missing the entire point. I didn't lose the court battle it was pretty much pay a fortune in legal costs and end up in the postion I am anyway with weekend visitations. Most states including MA, the state I'm in have "no-fault" divorces so It didn't matter who left whom or why. As for child support what was the first thing I said I don't mind paying it at all I have plenty of money and come from a very wealthy family thats my point there is no real due process. Pretty much the woman gets custody right off the bat. You didn't really say anything about how you got custody your baby's mother must've had some pretty serious issues or just didn't want the kids because I've never heard of a woman having no visitation and the man getting full custody unless as I said the woman is a dope fiend, alcoholic or has been involuntarily commited to a psych hospital
How old is your son? There comes a point in his life that it's his choice where he wants to live if there is no danger to him. I'm sorry you had to go through this bullshit I'll give you the benefit of the doubt considering you're in california that you got fucked over and well lets face it they let OJ go free and elected an actor as governer sooo.
What do you do for a living? Start playing the same bullshit game she is playing that let her go to NY. Have your boss cut your pay to next to nothing or under the table even better. Make it to the point she can't live off you anymore because your child support was reduced to nothing, and then come back that she can't provide for him anymore?
How old is your son? There comes a point in his life that it's his choice where he wants to live if there is no danger to him. I'm sorry you had to go through this bullshit I'll give you the benefit of the doubt considering you're in california that you got fucked over and well lets face it they let OJ go free and elected an actor as governer sooo.
What do you do for a living? Start playing the same bullshit game she is playing that let her go to NY. Have your boss cut your pay to next to nothing or under the table even better. Make it to the point she can't live off you anymore because your child support was reduced to nothing, and then come back that she can't provide for him anymore?
How old is your son? There comes a point in his life that it's his choice where he wants to live if there is no danger to him. I'm sorry you had to go through this bullshit I'll give you the benefit of the doubt considering you're in california that you got fucked over and well lets face it they let OJ go free and elected an actor as governer sooo.
What do you do for a living? Start playing the same bullshit game she is playing that let her go to NY. Have your boss cut your pay to next to nothing or under the table even better. Make it to the point she can't live off you anymore because your child support was reduced to nothing, and then come back that she can't provide for him anymore?
How old is your son? There comes a point in his life that it's his choice where he wants to live if there is no danger to him. I'm sorry you had to go through this bullshit I'll give you the benefit of the doubt considering you're in california that you got fucked over and well lets face it they let OJ go free and elected an actor as governer sooo.
What do you do for a living? Start playing the same bullshit game she is playing that let her go to NY. Have your boss cut your pay to next to nothing or under the table even better. Make it to the point she can't live off you anymore because your child support was reduced to nothing, and then come back that she can't provide for him anymore?
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She is unemployed. She tells the Court, she has no money to live in California. So she must go to live with her mom in New York. I talked to a bunch of attorneys. They all said, I have no shot.
I am emotionally destroyed by all this. I get extremely depressed over this. I have constant nightmares. I probably need some counseling.
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I was there I hired a top of the line lawyer at first and he was the one who told me how one sided and fucked up the system is against dad, he still helped alot and I got a good deal over all and like I said visitation fri-mon every week and I get to claim her every year on my taxes til shes 18. It wasnt regarding a move away order but just at first when I was getting counseled on my options if I wanted to go for full custody and so on. As for the depression and nightmares moving on with your personal life while you fight the battle will help. Go back to enjoying the things you used to do before you ever got married cuz we all know some of those things went by the boards when you got married. Life has so much more potential when your not tied down to an old ball and chain. Also start dating again or at least go get laid a bunch of times, its nice going from thinking you'll only bang one woman the rest of your life to getting a bunch
[Quote: Originally Posted by Peters821]
She is unemployed. She tells the Court, she has no money to live in California. So she must go to live with her mom in New York. I talked to a bunch of attorneys. They all said, I have no shot.
I am emotionally destroyed by all this. I get extremely depressed over this. I have constant nightmares. I probably need some counseling.
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I was there I hired a top of the line lawyer at first and he was the one who told me how one sided and fucked up the system is against dad, he still helped alot and I got a good deal over all and like I said visitation fri-mon every week and I get to claim her every year on my taxes til shes 18. It wasnt regarding a move away order but just at first when I was getting counseled on my options if I wanted to go for full custody and so on. As for the depression and nightmares moving on with your personal life while you fight the battle will help. Go back to enjoying the things you used to do before you ever got married cuz we all know some of those things went by the boards when you got married. Life has so much more potential when your not tied down to an old ball and chain. Also start dating again or at least go get laid a bunch of times, its nice going from thinking you'll only bang one woman the rest of your life to getting a bunch
My relationship now has nothing to do with it, we're talking about all that happening a year and a half later and you're missing the entire point. I didn't lose the court battle it was pretty much pay a fortune in legal costs and end up in the postion I am anyway with weekend visitations. Most states including MA, the state I'm in have "no-fault" divorces so It didn't matter who left whom or why. As for child support what was the first thing I said I don't mind paying it at all I have plenty of money and come from a very wealthy family thats my point there is no real due process. Pretty much the woman gets custody right off the bat. You didn't really say anything about how you got custody your baby's mother must've had some pretty serious issues or just didn't want the kids because I've never heard of a woman having no visitation and the man getting full custody unless as I said the woman is a dope fiend, alcoholic or has been involuntarily commited to a psych hospital
Full custody I meant primary physical sorry figured it would be understood \we have joint legal custody. See I paid the stupid bullshit lawyer fees maybe that's how I got it. I don't know I'm just saying the courts are not in complete favor of the mother unless it's a newborn child. Maybe it's just Nevada like that or it could be the fact that we were never married. I'm just saying it wasn't a hard fight. I didn't have to plant drugs or any of that bullshit. I showed up in court said what I had to and it was the end of it.
As far as my wifes son it was a little bit of a battle. He was in jail for the previous 3 years in California. He got out and I pretty much forced my wife to allow him to see him son on the weekends. After about a year of the shit he started getting into the business in our house about punishment what sports he can play and so on just petty shit. So I told him to go fuck himself take her to court until then we're not letting him go to your house. Granted he's a felon and 40k behind in child support the judge still gave him joint legal and weekends.
My relationship now has nothing to do with it, we're talking about all that happening a year and a half later and you're missing the entire point. I didn't lose the court battle it was pretty much pay a fortune in legal costs and end up in the postion I am anyway with weekend visitations. Most states including MA, the state I'm in have "no-fault" divorces so It didn't matter who left whom or why. As for child support what was the first thing I said I don't mind paying it at all I have plenty of money and come from a very wealthy family thats my point there is no real due process. Pretty much the woman gets custody right off the bat. You didn't really say anything about how you got custody your baby's mother must've had some pretty serious issues or just didn't want the kids because I've never heard of a woman having no visitation and the man getting full custody unless as I said the woman is a dope fiend, alcoholic or has been involuntarily commited to a psych hospital
Full custody I meant primary physical sorry figured it would be understood \we have joint legal custody. See I paid the stupid bullshit lawyer fees maybe that's how I got it. I don't know I'm just saying the courts are not in complete favor of the mother unless it's a newborn child. Maybe it's just Nevada like that or it could be the fact that we were never married. I'm just saying it wasn't a hard fight. I didn't have to plant drugs or any of that bullshit. I showed up in court said what I had to and it was the end of it.
As far as my wifes son it was a little bit of a battle. He was in jail for the previous 3 years in California. He got out and I pretty much forced my wife to allow him to see him son on the weekends. After about a year of the shit he started getting into the business in our house about punishment what sports he can play and so on just petty shit. So I told him to go fuck himself take her to court until then we're not letting him go to your house. Granted he's a felon and 40k behind in child support the judge still gave him joint legal and weekends.
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