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Posted: 12/4/2017 7:10:15 PM
 Hello all....

 I haven't posted since before the Louisville Clemson game....Just haven't cared to post much anymore honestly. I told you all exactly how that game would go down and im here to talk about a few things now since the season is over.

Last season when the season was over I was VERY outspoken on why I thought the committee made a huge injustice putting Ohio st in over Penn st. At the time I was called crazy and how Ohio st was clearly the better team by MANY on here...I thought the committee learned from their mistakes.... I really did. Let's talk a little about this selection shall we.....


Before the season started I created a thread on here stating the facts about how I thought Clemson and Alabama were just heads and shoulders above the rest of college football....and I still stand behind that statement. Many on here said I was crazy for thinking Clemson would be back and dominate like they have after losing sooooo many players.... But I understand why so many would think that....just like I have come to understand why Vegas was built... ( you following me )...

What im about to say is not a smack in the face to Alabama.... it's really not, it's about what I believe the truth is.

Alabama DID NOT deserve the 4th spot of the playoffs.... they simply didn't. Do I think they're among the 4 best teams in the country? Maybe... But did the committee get it right??? Absolutely not.  

For years you all have heard my complaints about ESPN and how I think they control sports...I think they brainwash most of you. They repeat the same thing over and over and over and over....and then most of you will just believe it. We have to STOP letting ESPN control things, honestly.... I'm glad they're crumbling.


The biggest lie about the college football playoffs is the myth called " 4 best vs 4 most deserving ".... This is not even up for debate with me.... It should always be about the 4 most deserving.... Every time. Let me explain why............... for every 100 people in this forum what will you have 100% of the time? A different opinion. I don't care who you are....we will all disagree on who we " think " should be the top 4....and that's where this whole mess has started IMO. ESPN and alot of the talking heads say this one thing over and over.... I think Alabama is better. I think. I think Alabama is better.. I think.... you keep hearing it over and over.

I'm not here to debate whether Alabama is or isn't better than Ohio st. We will never know.... they didn't play each other, so we will never know the truth. I can't tell you who's better......Now if the game is played and one beats the other then we would know. But this notion of " best vs deserving " is the worst debate.

Let me use this example.... or two examples. If we went by that notion then Alabama would be exempt from any type of scrutiny. They are favored in EVERY game they play....They're even favored against Clemson right now. They're favored because that's what " we/vegas " say they should be.... We say that ( us people )...DID you know that Clemson has now been the dog every playoff game they have ever played in??? Did you know that? Why is that? Cause that was our perception..... we have this problem with perception in this country. Clemson's 5 playoff games have been like this:

2015 Clemson vs Oklahoma -4.5
2015 Clemson vs Bama -6.5
2016 Clemson vs Ohio st -4.5
2016 Clemson vs Bama -7
2017 Clemson vs Bama -1.5


Why is that you think? Cause so many " experts "...." ESPN propaganda experts " anoint teams by what???? By what you think?

By what they THINK to be true...not based on what this team has proved or deserved....but by what they THINK.... It drives one of my favorite sayings of all time.....perception is reality. It doesn't have to be true.... You just have to make the sheep believe it. 

So getting back to point here...... The committee is granting teams by who they believe are the " best "....and that wrong.


Another analogy..... a little league basketball tournament takes place... The best overall #1 seed goes down  early in the tournament... The team that beat them played wonderful, could they beat that #1 team again if they tried 3 more times? Maybe not..... But then the tournament director comes in and says guys.... we know you " EARNED it on the floor ".... But all of our members really believe that this #1 team is better..... we just believe there better... Why? you say??? We just believe that.

Alabama did not EARN anything..... not this season they didn't... they sat at home Saturday and watched everybody else play and did nothing to EARN it..... Again... im not telling you Ohio st is better then Bama.... im not. I'm just stating the facts that this committee/ESPN/TALKING heads keeps influencing sports.

Alabama is a tremendous program/dynasty...whatever.... but this time, they didn't deserve it. Who did??? Im not sure.... but it wasn't them.



Keep this thought in mind when it comes to all phases of life....


It's not about what you think should happen or what you think is owed to you that will make you successful....it will ALWAYS be about what you did to earn it.           



Haven't posted any plays this season.... Nor did I during the regular season last season as well... But I did post a play on every bowl game last year and racked up.... I'll do the same this year



GL men


 
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Posted: 12/4/2017 7:15:02 PM
Dude..your ENTIRE post REEKS of FEAR of playing ALABAMA  

Can't really blame YOU 

GL..can't wait for that game..at least WE all know it'll be very, very entertaining....

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Posted: 12/4/2017 7:32:06 PM
Looking forward to seeing your bowl picks. You know, Ohio St has an argument, central Florida has an argument, someone is always gonna be unhappy with these decisions.  Agree with your assessment of ESPN. They lost me when they became a political station instead of a sports station.  Good luck to you this bowl season buddy.
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Posted: 12/4/2017 7:43:21 PM
stop complaining and accept the gift
clemson should dominate bama
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Posted: 12/4/2017 7:45:21 PM
i was shocked when i saw the line
thought it would b clemson -3
its a free td
because of exactly what u said
u r spot on
and guess what
the defending national champs now get to play the disrespected card
dabo should have them playing with a chip despite the fact they r number one and should b the favorite after that hurricane beatdown
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Posted: 12/4/2017 7:53:52 PM
Well, guess what, they are in... Alabama was ranked #1 pretty much the entire season (ahead of Clemson who beat them), they dominated the majority of the opponents they played, (including FSU when they had Francois). Their only loss was to the #2 ranked team in the nation, on the road, in the biggest rivalry in College Football. They also defeated two other top 25 teams, so yes they deserved to go in over Ohio State who lost to IOWA and Oklahoma, bad. 

Right now, Alabama has the best defense in the nation, one of the best defensive players in the nation in Minka Fitzpatrick,  a QB who just wins, and has been to the National Championship, and has big game come from behind experience. Not to mention 3 of the best running backs in the nation as well. 

Now, will Daboll utilize those RBs this time like he did not do against Auburn? We will see...

Will Pruitt all out blitz on 3rd and long? We will see, but I doubt it seeing as how for the first time this season we will have all our LBs healthy. 

I predict a close game with Clemson, but Alabama pulling away convincingly in the 4th. 
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Posted: 12/4/2017 7:59:21 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Tappy:

Well, guess what, they are in... Alabama was ranked #1 pretty much the entire season (ahead of Clemson who beat them), they dominated the majority of the opponents they played, (including FSU when they had Francois). Their only loss was to the #2 ranked team in the nation, on the road, in the biggest rivalry in College Football. They also defeated two other top 25 teams, so yes they deserved to go in over Ohio State who lost to IOWA and Oklahoma, bad. 

Right now, Alabama has the best defense in the nation, one of the best defensive players in the nation in Minka Fitzpatrick,  a QB who just wins, and has been to the National Championship, and has big game come from behind experience. Not to mention 3 of the best running backs in the nation as well. 

Now, will Daboll utilize those RBs this time like he did not do against Auburn? We will see...

Will Pruitt all out blitz on 3rd and long? We will see, but I doubt it seeing as how for the first time this season we will have all our LBs healthy. 

I predict a close game with Clemson, but Alabama pulling away convincingly in the 4th. 

Alabama has beaten nobody, and this is probably Saban's worst team in years. They've lost games before, but the beatdown Auburn put on them a couple of weeks ago is telling. They were physically whipped on both sides of the ball, and that just never happens. Clemson has the better defense and wins a tight but much lower scoring game than last year. 
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:14:51 PM
I wonder if it would have mattered if Ohio State kicked the $hit out of Wisconsin, or if they were eliminated before the game was even played.
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:17:11 PM
Tappy- 

Are you 16 years old? Bama didn't deserve to be in- the same way they didn't deserve to be in when they beat LSU in the national championship- It's all about $$$ and I don't care if UCF won every game by an average of 50 points- they weren't getting in- that's who I would have chosen - WTF not? Bama got to sit on their azz and not risk injury this past week- A&M gave them fits, LSU out gained them on offense and had more time of possesion. Miss St. covered and almost won, then Auburn crushed them. This Bama team is not nearly as good as the Bama team of the past 2 years. They get in on reputation alone. Period. Now between Bama and OSU, I think Bama is better.  FSU sucks and their is no way around that- I don't care if Tom Brady was their QB. Their ranking in the first game of the season was based on perception- nothing else. Bama beat nobody but LSU. SEC teams also only play 8 conference games when everyone else plays 9. They may win it all but my money says otherwise- and my money is usually right!!

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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:19:21 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Tappy:

Well, guess what, they are in... Alabama was ranked #1 pretty much the entire season (ahead of Clemson who beat them), they dominated the majority of the opponents they played, (including FSU when they had Francois). Their only loss was to the #2 ranked team in the nation, on the road, in the biggest rivalry in College Football. They also defeated two other top 25 teams, so yes they deserved to go in over Ohio State who lost to IOWA and Oklahoma, bad. 

Right now, Alabama has the best defense in the nation, one of the best defensive players in the nation in Minka Fitzpatrick,  a QB who just wins, and has been to the National Championship, and has big game come from behind experience. Not to mention 3 of the best running backs in the nation as well. 

Now, will Daboll utilize those RBs this time like he did not do against Auburn? We will see...

Will Pruitt all out blitz on 3rd and long? We will see, but I doubt it seeing as how for the first time this season we will have all our LBs healthy. 

I predict a close game with Clemson, but Alabama pulling away convincingly in the 4th. 
 



In Reality..If I was a TIGER fan..where is DeShaun Watson when you really need him?? Oh wait..he's on TEXANS IR with WATT 


BAMA does have better DEFENSE...can't wait to see OU take down TIDE in NCAACFB..


Btw...BAMA the much better squad..losing to AUBURN on the ROAD where they VASTLY underperformed......that's exactly why 2 time losers were NOT INVITED to this playoff...


VS a Clemson squad DESTROYED by the CUSE on that Friday night..    it's very easy to see who is the INFERIOR SQUAD...

By a drunken EYE test...TIDE ...Best thing is this INFLATES Bama LINE vs OU....
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:19:30 PM
 I just dont think there is a team who you can say is more deserving or better than Alabama - thats why you cannot mention one that is......OHST and USC would really be the only teams who have at least an argument......I think the 4 best teams are in - for sure......There is not a strong case for OHST or USC are more deserving.........I believe Vegas even has Bama as the favorite to win the playoffs - championship...

I think Clemson gotta a raw deal having to play a team as talented as Bama out of the gate............The winner of that game likely takes it all I think...........Going to be a great game to watch - thats for sure......I will be rooting for your Tigers........Not a big fan of Saban and his non - stop train of  5* recruits...

I really wanted to see WIS knock off OHST - had they we would not be having this conversation.........Also I would like to see a 6   team playoff with #1 and 2 getting a bye - NFL style.....




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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:20:32 PM
Boom- 

I tend to agree with what you said but you took the easy way out- if you don't answer the question of who deserved to be in then everything you wrote means nothing- 
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:23:23 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by soonboomer:

I wonder if it would have mattered if Ohio State kicked the $hit out of Wisconsin, or if they were eliminated before the game was even played.

I wonder if Wisconsin had won if they would have put Bama in over them?   Last week the Committee said the difference between #'s 5-8 was razor thin, then the next week they say Bama was better and it wasn't close.  If Ohio State with their resume wasn't better than Bama how could they say Wisconsin would be?  They make zero sense, and the worst thing is that they don't have to.  Conference championships don't matter.  Losing late doesn't matter.   

Every team that is a contender should adapt the Saban schedule where you play your OOC games either at home or neutral sites and schedule FCS teams.  Never agree to a home and home series again
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:33:48 PM
Big earnie -

dr tony  - not complaning

crusher - Clemson is not scared .... good grief get a clue





Tappy - Im not sure If I shouldeven respond to you honestly.... you're the exact thing I'm ranting on and about..... just delusional.... just for short argument.... Clemson has the best defense in the country...and it's not even close. But by all means.... believe whatever it is you believe....  you are a huge SEC homer.... I can understand the simple minded thoughts coming from you.



soonboomer-....that's it.... who have they beat???   Good to see ya





Blowout - I agree with almost everything you just said.... I tend to agree that Bama is better... but what you and I " think " ....should not merit them being in the playoffs..... If I was put on the spot and said.... Boom....make the call.... By the information at hand....and by what they earned.... I would given it to ohio st.



bws - the committee changes there " criteria "  from week to week.....and it's embarrassing...

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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:45:07 PM
BOOM..By far and AWAY..this is the VERY BEST GAME of this BOWL SEASON....Can't WAIT 


Good LUCK...sincerely..I feel OU would rather play your TIGERS than Bama..


GREAT THREAD..and Yes..ESPN is way too POLITICAL and "over the top""..Always go AGAINST what they are "preaching that day"..


Miss your entertaining writeups...especially since Scal was SOUNDLY defeated in his own "CAP OFF"  

 Good LUCK this Bowl Season..
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:45:24 PM
Interesting- it's really tough no matter who gets in on that last spot- I can't wait to see Clemson beat Alabama again- I took all the money I could on Miami fan boys on my rig who just couldn't see what was coming- sometimes I wonder if fans of teams only watch their teams play and nobody else- Their is certainly nothing wrong with that......................until those same fanboys start gambling!
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:49:11 PM
I'm anxious to see how Mayfield matches up vs. any of the three remaining defenses. Word is that OU thinks their offensive line is the absolute best in the country and that they can score 40 on anybody. Problem is, they can give up 50 against guys who can throw. That being said, the lines say that both games should be competitive.
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:52:28 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by blowoutgm:

Interesting- it's really tough no matter who gets in on that last spot- I can't wait to see Clemson beat Alabama again- I took all the money I could on Miami fan boys on my rig who just couldn't see what was coming- sometimes I wonder if fans of teams only watch their teams play and nobody else- Their is certainly nothing wrong with that......................until those same fanboys start gambling!


Clemson will beat Alabama.... before the season I tried to tell everyone on here this might be one the best defenses we have seen in a LONG time.... this DL is scary....
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:56:27 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by soonboomer:


Alabama has beaten nobody, and this is probably Saban's worst team in years. They've lost games before, but the beatdown Auburn put on them a couple of weeks ago is telling. They were physically whipped on both sides of the ball, and that just never happens. Clemson has the better defense and wins a tight but much lower scoring game than last year. 

If they had not beaten anyone, they would have not been ranked 1st the entire season, and only dropped to 5th when they lost to Auburn. They played in the SEC which is obviously the best conference in college football. You need to check the defensive rankings, Alabama is ranked 2nd behind Wisconsin, and Clemson is ranked 6th, and we saw how well Wisconsin did. Alabama wins in a close one, pulls away in the 4th, book it. 
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:56:39 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by soonboomer:

I'm anxious to see how Mayfield matches up vs. any of the three remaining defenses. Word is that OU thinks their offensive line is the absolute best in the country and that they can score 40 on anybody. Problem is, they can give up 50 against guys who can throw. That being said, the lines say that both games should be competitive.



I think Mayfield is tremendous... they have accomplished things offensively that may never be seen again.... and Im with you.... I want to see them line up with these teams...

I will tell you this.... I think no matter the defense.... at the end of the day, Oklahoma will score some points on whoever.... I think their worst match up would be Clemson just because of how sound Clemson is at all 3 levels of the defense.... The DL would harass him..... he will still get " his ".... But it won't be like the crazy numbers he has put up all year against other teams... That Clemson DL is full of NFL 1st round STUDS 
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:58:23 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:

Big earnie -


dr tony  - not complaning

crusher - Clemson is not scared .... good grief get a clue





Tappy - Im not sure If I shouldeven respond to you honestly.... you're the exact thing I'm ranting on and about..... just delusional.... just for short argument.... Clemson has the best defense in the country...and it's not even close. But by all means.... believe whatever it is you believe....  you are a huge SEC homer.... I can understand the simple minded thoughts coming from you.



soonboomer-....that's it.... who have they beat???   Good to see ya





Blowout - I agree with almost everything you just said.... I tend to agree that Bama is better... but what you and I " think " ....should not merit them being in the playoffs..... If I was put on the spot and said.... Boom....make the call.... By the information at hand....and by what they earned.... I would given it to ohio st.



bws - the committee changes there " criteria "  from week to week.....and it's embarrassing...


http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22

Alabama has the best defense in the nation

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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:59:36 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Tappy:


If they had not beaten anyone, they would have not been ranked 1st the entire season, and only dropped to 5th when they lost to Auburn. They played in the SEC which is obviously the best conference in college football. You need to check the defensive rankings, Alabama is ranked 2nd behind Wisconsin, and Clemson is ranked 6th, and we saw how well Wisconsin did. Alabama wins in a close one, pulls away in the 4th, book it. 



They were ranked #1 because of all the reasons I laid out in my original post... perception....

the media told us we HAD TO believe in Bama being #1 again...

They were ONLY there because of that reason...


FSU was a TOP 5 pre season team too..........The media will just lead you sheep....and you will just follow every time



Again..... Bama is NOT the best defense in the country.... Clemson is and it's not even close...
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Posted: 12/4/2017 8:59:50 PM
They should beat Alabama. The Tide will have a couple of guys back but those same guys will be rusty and out of game shape. The X factor is Jalen Hurts. I don't think he is that good of a QB but he does 2 things very very well. He doesn't turn the ball over and he runs like a running back. If they contain him then they win. There is almost no threat of a downfield passing game with him at QB. They would be so much more effective with the young kid from Hawaii at QB in my opinion but it is hard to bench Hurts. I think Clemson has the best chance to win it all but I have to admit that I want to see Oklahoma do it this year. Their defense is just so iffy but they seem to hold up ok against teams that don't throw it 50 times a game. Mayfield is a jerk, but he is a gamer and fun to watch. 


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Posted: 12/4/2017 9:05:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:




They were ranked #1 because of all the reasons I laid out in my original post... perception....

the media told us we HAD TO believe in Bama being #1 again...

They were ONLY there because of that reason...


FSU was a TOP 5 pre season team too..........The media will just lead you sheep....and you will just follow every time



Again..... Bama is NOT the best defense in the country.... Clemson is and it's not even close...

Personally, I will go with "the media" and their "opinion" over yours... Alabam was ranked #1, they were the best team in the nation, and they are in the playoffs, and yes they will beat Clemson. 

And according to NCAA.com Clemson does not have the best defense in the nation. 
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Posted: 12/4/2017 9:05:08 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by blowoutgm:

They should beat Alabama. The Tide will have a couple of guys back but those same guys will be rusty and out of game shape. The X factor is Jalen Hurts. I don't think he is that good of a QB but he does 2 things very very well. He doesn't turn the ball over and he runs like a running back. If they contain him then they win. There is almost no threat of a downfield passing game with him at QB. They would be so much more effective with the young kid from Hawaii at QB in my opinion but it is hard to bench Hurts. I think Clemson has the best chance to win it all but I have to admit that I want to see Oklahoma do it this year. Their defense is just so iffy but they seem to hold up ok against teams that don't throw it 50 times a game. Mayfield is a jerk, but he is a gamer and fun to watch. 




we're 100% on the same page....



Watch out for the true freshman running back of Clemson Travis ET......  they have been saving him for this playoff run
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