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Posted: 3/5/2017 12:45:02 AM
5k wow.that suks moose balls
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Posted: 3/5/2017 12:58:44 AM
situation will be thus:   pass/ triple odds.  try for 2 come bets/triple odds.    set dice on 3/3 with 4/2 facing you. good luck.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 11:26:54 PM
+360 last time.   we go again.     D.P./pass/3x odds, 2 come/D.c. bets. We see.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 11:28:54 PM
wing set 3-3/ 5.1 facingme . i random toss 1st comeout throw/s.
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Posted: 6/17/2017 3:42:47 PM
I'm dont bettor straight lay after point is established i never seen any controlled shooters


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Posted: 6/17/2017 4:18:54 PM
QUOTE Mortgaeman" I probably threw 40ish times before the seven."

end result even tho you won i get same result on fading your point

aint craps fun.

40 throws at what 2 secs each = 80 secs

actual action not counting the bets re bets collecting stuff.

SO maybe it was 5-10 mins

ehhhhhhhhh i can wait for 5 - 10 mins for $3000 PROFIT!
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Posted: 6/20/2017 2:39:07 PM
OK i never saw any dice controllers at any casino i been at since way back when atlantic city strated.

I was decent i tossed dice high soft arc so they would one bounce off the back wall.

BUT after thos days i couldnt get a decnt run going any more then i learned the dont pass strategy.

I bet any 7 on come out for 3$ on $10 table this protects me from the 7's and saves me from losing that $10 bet.

Had this happen way too many times to risk it like this 7,7,7, number then on the hop 7 out

Shooter luaghing at me losing the 3 naturals then cursing the huge losss of $10 on pass line full odds behind maybe $50 and the $40 or more place bets but wins the COME bet

I just quietly collect and keep racking.

After i have enough won i go straight lay against any number and pay the vig for that edge $1 likie $41 against 4 or 10 or double that $82 to win $40 or $62 to win $30 against 5 or 9 and the cheap lay $48 to win $40 against 6 or 8


I just quietly murmur Comon Micky .......Micky matnles Number was 7 just moving my lips no sound .

ahh have to root for that 7

Best thing is do not bets are not contracted if you feel they might make the point take it off pick it up and wait it out.

BUT you can lay again if you want.

Aint that a great advantage.

I rarely pick up a don't pass bet becuse i alredy saw this table was in ice house that all players were 7 out quick longest roll was 5 mins.

MY last trip in AC NJ was last month at Borgata casino

strted playing slots with free slot cash $30 won first slot $189 never touched my $300 bank

then when it got past 11 PM i went to hunt down my prey on crap tables lots of action that sat night 5 tables going mini bet was $15

some tables $25 I find $25 table 5 players and they are cold.

SO i just straight lay every point .

These guys were winning huge before racks of black and green and red chips at laest $2000 each thats $10,000 i'm looking at possible for me to collect well not really i only collect from the bank which is the house.

They collect all those come bets place bets etc...

Aint fun sometimes the right players start glaring at you and sometimes might break into a fight.

I just pick up chips and walk away

Most times they wake up and start betting don't pass but rare

They figure it's just temporary losing streak and keep hammering the pass line.

Mean time after 1/2 hour i'm now laying $105 to win $50 against 4's and 10's or just take the $45 i dont see the differnce really why should put up the $5 extra $45 is easy to pay me right 4 reds one green ya think i'm complaing to have racks of red chips with green and black.

I never went pass $100 lay maybe i should wtf why not.

I guess inbred i feell that if a lay too much it will start them players making points.

So very happy last trip that table went for 1 and 1/2 hours only 7 times  shooters made points which caused me to lay off next throw they had.

 So it took no more than 1 minute to get 7 out and

they kept fast rhythm 60 times per hour i won at laest $20 or rather

more i was laying $100 aginst 6 n 8 5 n 9 4 n 10 fugh the vig just pay me - the juice.

dice went around the table 50 times at least i passed when handed to me.

smiling baby $6580 won

ah garbage now i got problem most i can cash in is $4999


So i do that.

Find one guy to cash in my other chips for free.

LOL he was high roller so he dint care about any extra money.

Exit to garage and home in i hour 25.

it was 5:30 when i got home.

Now i'm planning weekly trips to ac or the Pa casinos.

Get rewards card to 3rd level in each.

God they wanted me to stay over i said next time i have to get home.

FREE room and meals.

but no broads

Laters guys

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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:45:32 AM
hey zebra,I am also a don't player. did I understand you to say you lay off the next roll if player makes a point? on a choppy table wouldn't that cause you some issues? ex. makes point you lay out , he then 7 out you back in for next roll. he then makes point, you lose and lay off next roll which he 7 out, which cost you to miss win. just curious as I always like to hear about others successes. I tend to play the don't and then escalate after the shooter is on a run, cause we all know the 7's will eventually right the ship... to your point I knew a guy who would stand for hours at the table playing the don't only. if the shooter made 2 in a row, he would sit out until he 7 out. then go back in action. I always position myself in a corner to keep low profile......
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Posted: 7/8/2017 2:49:41 PM
yes fair fax you never give then 2nd shot at you.

Also any new shooter that come into game NEVER bet aginst them it's fresh blood as it is kinown and trust me i lost too many times fading the fresh shooter.

I see your thing about trying to keep low profile on corner next to box amn

BUT i dont think your going to NOT be noticed by others when you got two racks full after 1 hr.

YES it's grind of a game but house edged fixed is lowest of all table games.

1.6%  only pay 4-1 to any 7 instaed of 5-1 any 12 loses on pas line PUSHES on dont pass.

and striaght lay aginst they charge $1 vig to bet it funny they do that but who cares I know my chances are at 98% winning.

Every casino is rooting for you to win.

ONE time dealer tells me lay the moratge he aint making that 10

so i did full odds on dont pass and $41 straight lay 10 sercs later 7 out baby Collected $30 from dont pass and $20 from staright lay

LIKE omg $50 in 10 secs.

Wish every shooter would 7 out that fast.

Anyway timing a table i got it at 5 mins per player passing the dice and all the others making thier bets on a table with 6 players.

the decsion is made in 30 secs or at most 1 minute.

ON a cold table.



SO 6 players 5 mins each = 30 mins

YOU win $20 6 times in 1/2 hr.

$240 per hour of course more shooters more time you hope to get in when shooters have $250 - $500 in racks.



This way they last longer you might get 3 hours time fading them.

BUT i been on not consitent cold tables for 5 hurs surviving and winning about $300 while they all go broke and laeve 1 by -1 and new shooters come in .......ughhhhhhhhhhhh then i ahve to wait make sure they reamin cold..

thye players not the dice ..........

lol dice are not effected by anybody.

Players are effected thier negative attitude causes thenm to lose drinking watching the hot babes walk by watriesses etc...

That is what to watch for a bunch of drunks on crap table that were winning huge ......

Of course they might get sick n vomit all over the place.

ewwwwwwwwwwww imnagine your next to one .........


OO well going down to AC NJ  today in about 3 hours

will slow play slots i get $45 in free money always get a win from that and then when done playing possibly 2 hours then go hunt fot my prey.

 Sometimes that free play money won huge $500 or more .

that would be sweet to add to bank for craps ..

I can then go to $25 minmum table.

BUT $15 is same thing only your max wager is lower.

Like yeah sure i never saw anybody lay the max who the fuggg has $3000 on a $15 mini bet table.

$25 mini maybe they start with $1000's but you can bet $25 on smaller limits also

Laerned long ago YOU do not need $1000's to win huge money at craps.

$50 years ago on $5 mini bet table was enough to start.

$15 tables need minmum 10 bets $150

NOW you do not need to lay odds on dont pass just take the win

$15 however the natural 7's will happen and you need to buy any 7 for $4.

anyway fairfax heres to your succes on craps.






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Posted: 7/9/2017 4:23:57 PM

hope your trip was profitable!

concerning your  3.00 hedge of any 7 to protect 10.00 don't play:

I have hedged with the following, because I hated the consistent loss of 3.00 when the 7 was fortunately staying away;

20.00 don't pass

lay 41.00 no 4

if 7 shows no harm as it is a wash.

if 4 shows I lose 41.00, and still have 20, don't against the shooter making 4.

any other point, I immediately take down the no 4 play, as it was strictly a hedge against the 7 on come out. I think the odds of 7 showing as opposed to the 4 are 3-1 which would make a plus 19.00 under normal expected showing over time.{lose 41.00, but save 60.} I like sharing ideas, and have others as a hedge for playing the don't. your thoughts?

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Posted: 7/10/2017 6:56:15 PM
fair fax better way to hedge play pass line and don't pass line

your only loss is a 12 and how often does shooter come out with a 12


here's how it works:

stone cold table they cant make a point say 5 shooters hoping they all have few hundred in chippies.

OK you lose the $15 pass line bet but you get that back on the dont pass bet then collect the odds you laid say $30 to win $20 aginst 5 or 9 your always laying to win $20 every number

by my calculations and actaul results time per shooter was 3 mins

so 5 players take 3 mins each thats 15 mins total.

YOU win 5 X $20 per 15 mins = $100 4 times per hr if they last that long.

SO $400 per hr and table breaks apart players leave and only two losersw left with about $50 in chips each.

hoping to get 1.5 hours or 2 hours if they keep winning place bets.

like 5 each shooter

so my last trip was sat night parx casino me n wife only had $60 to start had to play slots 1st and slow played $5 eacg slot machine.

IT workede winning and losing i won $125 in an hr now it's 1:30

unreal 6 tables were packed i had some spots to kinda squeeze in but i want room.

Walking around find a spot in corner near box man right side of stick .

Only watched table for 5 mins saw them lose all 3 shooters.

I bought in with $185 and laid the pass line and don't lines.

Of course the guys next to me saying you cant win anything that way.

I said i know but i might get lucky.

They were cursing nad groaing for 1 1/5 hours while i stone buried them .

Well not me that table racked in $1000's from them and i walk away with $475 profit.

keeping track of wagers and wins so i better see the points added as i see on slots $20 per point.

WILL check it tomorrow online should be almsot 100 tier points earned.

It was a grind i really hate the wait for that 7 to fall sometimes 5 mins waiting I want to pick up the dont pass bet but then i'm losing that $15 pass line bet.

I just keep standing and standing and collect quietly no slamming chips in racks or cheerfully bang fist on rails.

hushhhhhhhh all the time.

Pass dice each time even tho i know i can 7 out but never break rhythm of other shooters.






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Posted: 7/12/2017 3:02:25 PM
thanks for all the input guys. i've actually always wanted to learn how to play craps. im too scared to bet my own money. does any one have any suggestions with play money casinos for me to gain experience before going to the casino?

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Posted: 7/15/2017 5:08:43 PM
OK get this in PA casinos only we cannot bet both lines at same time unless you wager more on one than the other HUH???

Me n friend i just met last night at parx said your joking right.

They rmoved my dont pas and left my pass line bet down i said NO and picked it up they said you cant do that I walked away fast.

PIT boss comes after me etc... talking to me  i say i never heard about this rule ever i been playing craps since resorts casino opned in 78.

I'm not going to lose that $15 i just go play elsewhere at slots.

He keeps saying that was a contracted bet you have to play it I said I know that all pass line bets are contracted.

back n forth back n forth he finnally says ok i'll let it go this time.

Fine thank you .

I also said this was not ignorance on my part sorry but really this is weird.

He smiled ok go back and play.

SO old way have to lay $4 any 7 then  lay odds

BUT 1st time there with friend i met online didnt go well

I just coundt get a feel for players 1st table Rob was at he said these players are making points I said rob thats good we can win $1000's here if they hold dice 10 mins or more even if they 7 out and we collect 5 or mor place bets he says no way lost enough doing that before.

I understnd Rob i said so we have to go find another table.

ahhhhhhhhhh table waqs not consitent at all picking my spots i lost 2 wagers won on 3 consecutive lost agin after that to be up $30

Sick sick sick

finnaly went to slots with $90 left out of $130 start

was down to last $10 and made huge wins came back to win $350

$500 total

 Rob made comeback too all $1000 he had bank plus $12.50 he won on free play $$$ at slots.

I walked back to rib shwoing him the tickets from each win he said niceeeeeeeeeeeee Buddy


fug you PA casinos



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Posted: 7/28/2017 3:02:16 PM
Going tonight not sure if delawre patk casino race track or up to parx just will see after done work like which way the wind blows lol

I will have $350 bank to start also got lots of free play money to use on slots maybe use the free play money get lucky hit a free spin bounus 15 free spins .....

OR like i ahve done many times get 3 or more retriggers wind up with 50 free spins.


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Posted: 8/28/2017 12:11:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by DealAddictionz:

thanks for all the input guys. i've actually always wanted to learn how to play craps. im too scared to bet my own money. does any one have any suggestions with play money casinos for me to gain experience before going to the casino?



Play money in online casinos is not real human interaction

let me assure you of one thing the craps game is best profit for players

the house edge is fixed at 1.8% as in only 4-1 on ANY 7 instead of 5-1 and a 12 pushes on Dont Pass but loses on pass line.

your not getting true odds on the gambling bets as in 15-1 on the 11 or thye 30-1 on any 12 or any 2

I watched one lady bet pass line and field bets with another shooter on a very cold table wind up 7 out she lost all place bets plus the field bets and her odds behind point was 6

She lost $65 that roll .......continues again and bam 5 throws later 7 out she lost another $55 she minus $120 in few minutes time maybe 5 mins total or 6

and I won $45 only 1 other guy was betting don't pass and hard laying $60 with $30 DP he also played DONT Come and sometimes he hit 4 DC bets lucky that shooters didnt repeat his DC bets.

I never BET DC bets heres why YOU have a DP bet for say $15 laid odds of $30 BET DC for $15 bam 7 out on hop you lost $15 and your profit is minimal $20 on lay odds won instead of $35 total win

Also many times every DC bet gets whacked out more than once YOUR really getting creamed

if you DC all 5 numbers at $15 each plus lay odds of $15 or more

30$ X 5 = - $130 if you lose them all again thats - $260 so if they finally 7 out and you only got 3 numbers Dont come plus your orginal DP bet your still negative money.


IF you maybe increase your Lay odds to triple or more like 5 X odds allowed YOU reallt win more money and you can staright lay the point for as much as you want

Like lay $120 against 6 or 8 YOU win $100 plaus your DP bet and 5 X odds laid win $15  plus the 5 X odds laid of $75 or more depending on the point as in $80 to win $40 against 4 n 10

5 n 9 it's lay 3 to win 2 $15 wins $10 so $75 is good you win $50 plus your $15 thats $65 won in what 5 mins maybe 6

so avarge that out for an hour 6 mins with 5 players shooting your winning 10 bets per hr if your staying with minmal lays and DP bets thats $30 each time won = $180 per hour hoping you get 3 hours in game $180 X 3 = $540 for that session won

so maybe your total hours in casino was 8 and your 1st two sessions didnt go well maybe small profits like $15 or negative $50

SO your total NET profit for full day is whopping $505 and you earned mucho comps in food and tier points beacuse your betting $30 or more every 5 mins or less maybe 3 mins

thats how it's rated on table games BUT not accuarte the only have your card when you buy in for whatever amount then they give it back to you.

MAKE SURE you get the pit boss to clock you out when you leave table.

This way in about 15 mins after you insert your players card in any slot machine and see more $$$ for food and you free play $$ goes up or xtra Play is added next time your in casino which would be next day after 6 am

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