The guy who lives at the Townehome right above where the fight took place is going to own anything from the prosecution that says it was TM screaming. 'John' witnessed Zimmerman screaming for help while he was on the bottom. The only thing the prosecution has is Trayvons mother saying it is his son's voice...and that is after reports of his dad saying the voice wasn't his son's.
Regardless, unless 'John' is outright lying....the screaming issue is solved.
Here's the problem with that. Go listen to the 911 tape. The screaming and crying I am referring to are those that immediately precede the gunshot. So you hear crying or screaming for only about 10 seconds, then bang, then no crying. If "John" witnessed this particular screaming with his own eyes, then doesn't it stand to reason that he also witnessed the gunshot. If that is actually the case and he testifies competently to that, then yeah, it's huge. I doubt that will be the case though.
The guy who lives at the Townehome right above where the fight took place is going to own anything from the prosecution that says it was TM screaming. 'John' witnessed Zimmerman screaming for help while he was on the bottom. The only thing the prosecution has is Trayvons mother saying it is his son's voice...and that is after reports of his dad saying the voice wasn't his son's.
Regardless, unless 'John' is outright lying....the screaming issue is solved.
Here's the problem with that. Go listen to the 911 tape. The screaming and crying I am referring to are those that immediately precede the gunshot. So you hear crying or screaming for only about 10 seconds, then bang, then no crying. If "John" witnessed this particular screaming with his own eyes, then doesn't it stand to reason that he also witnessed the gunshot. If that is actually the case and he testifies competently to that, then yeah, it's huge. I doubt that will be the case though.
Here's the problem with that. Go listen to the 911 tape. The screaming and crying I am referring to are those that immediately precede the gunshot. So you hear crying or screaming for only about 10 seconds, then bang, then no crying. If "John" witnessed this particular screaming with his own eyes, then doesn't it stand to reason that he also witnessed the gunshot. If that is actually the case and he testifies competently to that, then yeah, it's huge. I doubt that will be the case though.
No, because John stated that he went inside his house to call 911 and went to his upstairs window. He missed enough of the skirmish for the time it took for him to go inside and call 911 and go upstairs. I don't know if he used a house phone or cell phone. If he used his cell, he could have shaved seconds off vs. if he grabbed a house phone.
He stated that he did miss a portion of the skirmish though.
Here's the problem with that. Go listen to the 911 tape. The screaming and crying I am referring to are those that immediately precede the gunshot. So you hear crying or screaming for only about 10 seconds, then bang, then no crying. If "John" witnessed this particular screaming with his own eyes, then doesn't it stand to reason that he also witnessed the gunshot. If that is actually the case and he testifies competently to that, then yeah, it's huge. I doubt that will be the case though.
No, because John stated that he went inside his house to call 911 and went to his upstairs window. He missed enough of the skirmish for the time it took for him to go inside and call 911 and go upstairs. I don't know if he used a house phone or cell phone. If he used his cell, he could have shaved seconds off vs. if he grabbed a house phone.
He stated that he did miss a portion of the skirmish though.
The guy who lives at the Townehome right above where the fight took place is going to own anything from the prosecution that says it was TM screaming. 'John' witnessed Zimmerman screaming for help while he was on the bottom. The only thing the prosecution has is Trayvons mother saying it is his son's voice...and that is after reports of his dad saying the voice wasn't his son's.
Regardless, unless 'John' is outright lying....the screaming issue is solved.
The guy who lives at the Townehome right above where the fight took place is going to own anything from the prosecution that says it was TM screaming. 'John' witnessed Zimmerman screaming for help while he was on the bottom. The only thing the prosecution has is Trayvons mother saying it is his son's voice...and that is after reports of his dad saying the voice wasn't his son's.
Regardless, unless 'John' is outright lying....the screaming issue is solved.
No, because John stated that he went inside his house to call 911 and went to his upstairs window. He missed enough of the skirmish for the time it took for him to go inside and call 911 and go upstairs. I don't know if he used a house phone or cell phone. If he used his cell, he could have shaved seconds off vs. if he grabbed a house phone.
He stated that he did miss a portion of the skirmish though.
OK but listen to me and think about the timeline. Again, listen to the 911 call. There is maybe a 10 second window immediately preceding the single shot in which there was crying and screaming. That is the relevant crying and screaming. On the assumption that John didnt see the gunshot, then unless John walked away literally in the few seconds before the shot, then he didn't see the relevant screams that immediately preceded the shot. He might have seen an earlier portion of the screams and skirmishes, but didn't see the crucial moments leading into the shot. Those 5 or 10 or maybe 15 seconds immediately preceding the shot is really what the case is about.
No, because John stated that he went inside his house to call 911 and went to his upstairs window. He missed enough of the skirmish for the time it took for him to go inside and call 911 and go upstairs. I don't know if he used a house phone or cell phone. If he used his cell, he could have shaved seconds off vs. if he grabbed a house phone.
He stated that he did miss a portion of the skirmish though.
OK but listen to me and think about the timeline. Again, listen to the 911 call. There is maybe a 10 second window immediately preceding the single shot in which there was crying and screaming. That is the relevant crying and screaming. On the assumption that John didnt see the gunshot, then unless John walked away literally in the few seconds before the shot, then he didn't see the relevant screams that immediately preceded the shot. He might have seen an earlier portion of the screams and skirmishes, but didn't see the crucial moments leading into the shot. Those 5 or 10 or maybe 15 seconds immediately preceding the shot is really what the case is about.
OK but listen to me and think about the timeline. Again, listen to the 911 call. There is maybe a 10 second window immediately preceding the single shot in which there was crying and screaming. That is the relevant crying and screaming. On the assumption that John didnt see the gunshot, then unless John walked away literally in the few seconds before the shot, then he didn't see the relevant screams that immediately preceded the shot. He might have seen an earlier portion of the screams and skirmishes, but didn't see the crucial moments leading into the shot. Those 5 or 10 or maybe 15 seconds immediately preceding the shot is really what the case is about.
OK but listen to me and think about the timeline. Again, listen to the 911 call. There is maybe a 10 second window immediately preceding the single shot in which there was crying and screaming. That is the relevant crying and screaming. On the assumption that John didnt see the gunshot, then unless John walked away literally in the few seconds before the shot, then he didn't see the relevant screams that immediately preceded the shot. He might have seen an earlier portion of the screams and skirmishes, but didn't see the crucial moments leading into the shot. Those 5 or 10 or maybe 15 seconds immediately preceding the shot is really what the case is about.
Under Florida law, self-defense can be asserted for any violence crime such as Assault or Battery, Aggravated Battery, Aggravated Assault, Manslaughter, Attempted Murder, or Murder. .
A person can meet force with force, including deadly force, if he reasonably believes such force is necessary to prevent great bodily harm or death to himself...
According to Tampa Bay Fox affiliate WTVT-TV, what the witness says he saw could bolster Zimmerman’s claim that he shot Martin in self-defense:
“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.
Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.
The witness only wanted to be identified as “John,” and didn’t not want to be shown on camera.
His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman’s claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.
“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.
Under Florida law, self-defense can be asserted for any violence crime such as Assault or Battery, Aggravated Battery, Aggravated Assault, Manslaughter, Attempted Murder, or Murder. .
A person can meet force with force, including deadly force, if he reasonably believes such force is necessary to prevent great bodily harm or death to himself...
According to Tampa Bay Fox affiliate WTVT-TV, what the witness says he saw could bolster Zimmerman’s claim that he shot Martin in self-defense:
“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.
Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.
The witness only wanted to be identified as “John,” and didn’t not want to be shown on camera.
His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman’s claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.
“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.
Do you disagree with what I'm saying or are you just trying to be a pain in the ass?
I don't agree or disagree. I just know that you seem to be professing things as 'fact.' Outside of that. everything you are saying may be right. Time will tell.
Do you disagree with what I'm saying or are you just trying to be a pain in the ass?
I don't agree or disagree. I just know that you seem to be professing things as 'fact.' Outside of that. everything you are saying may be right. Time will tell.
I don't agree or disagree. I just know that you seem to be professing things as 'fact.' Outside of that. everything you are saying may be right. Time will tell.
Ok, well I'm going out on a limb to say that the screaming issue is SOLVED. If I am wrong I will take a credibility hit. I'm fine with that.
I don't agree or disagree. I just know that you seem to be professing things as 'fact.' Outside of that. everything you are saying may be right. Time will tell.
Ok, well I'm going out on a limb to say that the screaming issue is SOLVED. If I am wrong I will take a credibility hit. I'm fine with that.
for the mayors $$$ zimmerman must get off or the whole sanford police force trickling all the way to fla state jud. systm...will be turnt 180* ,....zimmerman walks. the unseen by public pix and juvie criminal rec of tray will come to light. spread peace not hate.
for the mayors $$$ zimmerman must get off or the whole sanford police force trickling all the way to fla state jud. systm...will be turnt 180* ,....zimmerman walks. the unseen by public pix and juvie criminal rec of tray will come to light. spread peace not hate.
If the prosecuter is to convict on a charge of murder she will have to prove Zimmerman's intent to kill..........this will be a high bar to establish unless...they have evidence - unknown to the public -,to prove, that Zimmerman wasnot in a position ( at the exact time the shot was fired) to feel a reasonable threat of death or serious injury ..
From whats known at this point in time,by the public ..it would appear to be a very difficult task ..
If the prosecuter is to convict on a charge of murder she will have to prove Zimmerman's intent to kill..........this will be a high bar to establish unless...they have evidence - unknown to the public -,to prove, that Zimmerman wasnot in a position ( at the exact time the shot was fired) to feel a reasonable threat of death or serious injury ..
From whats known at this point in time,by the public ..it would appear to be a very difficult task ..
Ok, well I'm going out on a limb to say that the screaming issue is SOLVED. If I am wrong I will take a credibility hit. I'm fine with that.
Depeche is on target & it's nowhere near "solved".And the 2 voice experts still agree that the last screams they heard did not come from Z ...1 said he'd stake his 20+ yrs of experience & reputation on it.
Remember the last time you went out on a limb - instead of just being arrested on manslaughter, Z got charged with murder 2.
George may not want you goin out on any more limbs...
Ok, well I'm going out on a limb to say that the screaming issue is SOLVED. If I am wrong I will take a credibility hit. I'm fine with that.
Depeche is on target & it's nowhere near "solved".And the 2 voice experts still agree that the last screams they heard did not come from Z ...1 said he'd stake his 20+ yrs of experience & reputation on it.
Remember the last time you went out on a limb - instead of just being arrested on manslaughter, Z got charged with murder 2.
George may not want you goin out on any more limbs...
Ok, well I'm going out on a limb to say that the screaming issue is SOLVED. If I am wrong I will take a credibility hit. I'm fine with that.
Seriously who cares about your credibility ?
I don't
do you have any credibility here ?
what do you know about this case apart from what the news Media are feeding us ?
who asked you to solve anything in this case ?
Dude relax OK
Do you suffer from grandiosity ?
Grandiosity refers to an unrealistic sense of superiority, a sustained view of
oneself as better than others that causes the narcissist to view others
with disdain or as inferior. It also refers to a sense of uniqueness,
the belief that few others have anything in common with oneself and that
one can only be understood by a few or very special people
Ok, well I'm going out on a limb to say that the screaming issue is SOLVED. If I am wrong I will take a credibility hit. I'm fine with that.
Seriously who cares about your credibility ?
I don't
do you have any credibility here ?
what do you know about this case apart from what the news Media are feeding us ?
who asked you to solve anything in this case ?
Dude relax OK
Do you suffer from grandiosity ?
Grandiosity refers to an unrealistic sense of superiority, a sustained view of
oneself as better than others that causes the narcissist to view others
with disdain or as inferior. It also refers to a sense of uniqueness,
the belief that few others have anything in common with oneself and that
one can only be understood by a few or very special people
Depeche is on target & it's nowhere near "solved".And the 2 voice experts still agree that the last screams they heard did not come from Z ...1 said he'd stake his 20+ yrs of experience & reputation on it.
Remember the last time you went out on a limb - instead of just being arrested on manslaughter, Z got charged with murder 2.
George may not want you goin out on any more limbs...
Cashin,
Depeche was not correct at all. He wasn't even aware about this guy 'Johns' statements. He has backed off alot.
The voice experts will not trump the statements of the fucking guy that was right there at the scene. Logic and common sense man!
Depeche is on target & it's nowhere near "solved".And the 2 voice experts still agree that the last screams they heard did not come from Z ...1 said he'd stake his 20+ yrs of experience & reputation on it.
Remember the last time you went out on a limb - instead of just being arrested on manslaughter, Z got charged with murder 2.
George may not want you goin out on any more limbs...
Cashin,
Depeche was not correct at all. He wasn't even aware about this guy 'Johns' statements. He has backed off alot.
The voice experts will not trump the statements of the fucking guy that was right there at the scene. Logic and common sense man!
what do you know about this case apart from what the news Media are feeding us ?
who asked you to solve anything in this case ?
Dude relax OK
Do you suffer from grandiosity ?
Grandiosity refers to an unrealistic sense of superiority, a sustained view of oneself as better than others that causes the narcissist to view others with disdain or as inferior. It also refers to a sense of uniqueness, the belief that few others have anything in common with oneself and that one can only be understood by a few or very special people
Who died and made you God?
Oh the irony of you telling me I need permission to go out on a limb. And then saying I suffer from Grandiosity.
what do you know about this case apart from what the news Media are feeding us ?
who asked you to solve anything in this case ?
Dude relax OK
Do you suffer from grandiosity ?
Grandiosity refers to an unrealistic sense of superiority, a sustained view of oneself as better than others that causes the narcissist to view others with disdain or as inferior. It also refers to a sense of uniqueness, the belief that few others have anything in common with oneself and that one can only be understood by a few or very special people
Who died and made you God?
Oh the irony of you telling me I need permission to go out on a limb. And then saying I suffer from Grandiosity.
Depeche is on target & it's nowhere near "solved".And the 2 voice experts still agree that the last screams they heard did not come from Z ...1 said he'd stake his 20+ yrs of experience & reputation on it.
Remember the last time you went out on a limb - instead of just being arrested on manslaughter, Z got charged with murder 2.
George may not want you goin out on any more limbs...
Voice experts: NOT AT THE SCENE. NO DOG IN THE FIGHT
Trayvons father: NOT MY SONS VOICE. DOG IN THE FIGHT
Trayvons mother: NOT AT THE SCENE. DOG IN THE FIGHT
'John' who lives right where skirmish took place: AT THE SCENE AT THE TIME OF THE FIGHT. NO DOG IN THE FIGHT.
Depeche is on target & it's nowhere near "solved".And the 2 voice experts still agree that the last screams they heard did not come from Z ...1 said he'd stake his 20+ yrs of experience & reputation on it.
Remember the last time you went out on a limb - instead of just being arrested on manslaughter, Z got charged with murder 2.
George may not want you goin out on any more limbs...
Voice experts: NOT AT THE SCENE. NO DOG IN THE FIGHT
Trayvons father: NOT MY SONS VOICE. DOG IN THE FIGHT
Trayvons mother: NOT AT THE SCENE. DOG IN THE FIGHT
'John' who lives right where skirmish took place: AT THE SCENE AT THE TIME OF THE FIGHT. NO DOG IN THE FIGHT.
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