A women has a lawful right in VA to have an abortion, but now must undergo an intrusive procedure to do so.
I'm not saying that this vaginal ultrasound is the correct thing to do. After 5 weeks you can hear the heartbeat with a simple amplifier gizmo.
The only reason this vaginal ultrasound is being required is so that the person getting the abortion has to hear and maybe see the embreo and maybe they think a few girls may change their mind.
But you have to admit that it does come accross as odd for a girl to object to a probe going up her you know what, and not object to the tongs of death going up there as well.
Thats all he is saying and I agree with him on that point.
I'm not saying that this vaginal ultrasound is the correct thing to do. After 5 weeks you can hear the heartbeat with a simple amplifier gizmo.
The only reason this vaginal ultrasound is being required is so that the person getting the abortion has to hear and maybe see the embreo and maybe they think a few girls may change their mind.
But you have to admit that it does come accross as odd for a girl to object to a probe going up her you know what, and not object to the tongs of death going up there as well.
Thats all he is saying and I agree with him on that point.
I'm not saying that this vaginal ultrasound is the correct thing to do. After 5 weeks you can hear the heartbeat with a simple amplifier gizmo.
The only reason this vaginal ultrasound is being required is so that the person getting the abortion has to hear and maybe see the embreo and maybe they think a few girls may change their mind.
But you have to admit that it does come accross as odd for a girl to object to a probe going up her you know what, and not object to the tongs of death going up there as well.
Thats all he is saying and I agree with him on that point.
I'm not saying that this vaginal ultrasound is the correct thing to do. After 5 weeks you can hear the heartbeat with a simple amplifier gizmo.
The only reason this vaginal ultrasound is being required is so that the person getting the abortion has to hear and maybe see the embreo and maybe they think a few girls may change their mind.
But you have to admit that it does come accross as odd for a girl to object to a probe going up her you know what, and not object to the tongs of death going up there as well.
Thats all he is saying and I agree with him on that point.
The only reason you are suggesting for the first procedure is not medical
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Are you a doctor?
Could you then explain why in over 80% of abortions at PP clinics ultrasounds are done prior to the abortion?
The only reason you are suggesting for the first procedure is not medical
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Are you a doctor?
Could you then explain why in over 80% of abortions at PP clinics ultrasounds are done prior to the abortion?
The only reason you are suggesting for the first procedure is not medical
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Are you a doctor?
Could you then explain why in over 80% of abortions at PP clinics ultrasounds are done prior to the abortion?
The only reason you are suggesting for the first procedure is not medical
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Are you a doctor?
Could you then explain why in over 80% of abortions at PP clinics ultrasounds are done prior to the abortion?
is no legitimate medical purpose to the first procedure, it accomplishes nothing.
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Then why are doctors doing it?
is no legitimate medical purpose to the first procedure, it accomplishes nothing.
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Then why are doctors doing it?
I said the first procedure in this discussion was unnecessary
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I know you said that.
But that doesn't make it true.
If they are "unnecessary" why are doctors doing them?
Why did the Planned Parenthood spokesperson say "To confirm the gestational age of the pregnancy, before any procedure is done, you do an ultrasound"?
I said the first procedure in this discussion was unnecessary
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I know you said that.
But that doesn't make it true.
If they are "unnecessary" why are doctors doing them?
Why did the Planned Parenthood spokesperson say "To confirm the gestational age of the pregnancy, before any procedure is done, you do an ultrasound"?
You must be one simpleminded patsy to continue to promote legislation
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Except I'm not "promoting any legislation"
But you're good at calling names and attacking things people never said.
have all the information I need to know about your ridiculous position on this.
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Except you don't have any "information" at all given your idiotic comments which have no basis in medicine or fact.
You must be one simpleminded patsy to continue to promote legislation
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Except I'm not "promoting any legislation"
But you're good at calling names and attacking things people never said.
have all the information I need to know about your ridiculous position on this.
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Except you don't have any "information" at all given your idiotic comments which have no basis in medicine or fact.
How about you have to get an anal probe before you go buy a case of beer. Makes about as much sense as this law.
I love how you think that is an anology!
Probably the last time you get acknowledged
Awww, are you sad your wittle "facts" are easily demonstrated to be untrue?
I guess we now know somebody in Virginia stupid enough
Why does someone in Canada care so much about Virginia state legislation?
How about you have to get an anal probe before you go buy a case of beer. Makes about as much sense as this law.
I love how you think that is an anology!
Probably the last time you get acknowledged
Awww, are you sad your wittle "facts" are easily demonstrated to be untrue?
I guess we now know somebody in Virginia stupid enough
Why does someone in Canada care so much about Virginia state legislation?
I love this.
I said the first procedure in this discussion was unnecessary
And:
There is no legitimate medical purpose to the first procedure, it accomplishes nothing
Then:
I guess somebody doesn't understand women may feel there is a subtle difference between 'ultrasounds' conducted with the consent of the patient, ONLY when the doctor deems it necessary
Coherence much?
Published in the medical journal Contraception in 2003, researchers with the pro-abortion group IPAS, the University of North Carolina, a consortium of Planned Parenthood clinics and the National Abortion Federation surveyed staff at 113 Planned Parenthood affiliates and independent abortion businesses between February and April 2000.
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“Vaginal ultrasound was very common before the medical abortion, with 37 (92%) sites reporting that they always performed it,” the study continued. “Vaginal ultrasound was always performed after early medical abortion in 35 (87%) sites, performed under certain conditions in 4 (10%) sites, and never performed in 1 (3%) site.”
OOPS!
I love this.
I said the first procedure in this discussion was unnecessary
And:
There is no legitimate medical purpose to the first procedure, it accomplishes nothing
Then:
I guess somebody doesn't understand women may feel there is a subtle difference between 'ultrasounds' conducted with the consent of the patient, ONLY when the doctor deems it necessary
Coherence much?
Published in the medical journal Contraception in 2003, researchers with the pro-abortion group IPAS, the University of North Carolina, a consortium of Planned Parenthood clinics and the National Abortion Federation surveyed staff at 113 Planned Parenthood affiliates and independent abortion businesses between February and April 2000.
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“Vaginal ultrasound was very common before the medical abortion, with 37 (92%) sites reporting that they always performed it,” the study continued. “Vaginal ultrasound was always performed after early medical abortion in 35 (87%) sites, performed under certain conditions in 4 (10%) sites, and never performed in 1 (3%) site.”
OOPS!
Since when did debateable murder and the prevention thereof become only for those that are religious?
Let me get this strait...an athiest or agnostic person can have no objection to murder or abortion?
I believe they are the same but used them separate to keep you focused on the answer.
Since when did debateable murder and the prevention thereof become only for those that are religious?
Let me get this strait...an athiest or agnostic person can have no objection to murder or abortion?
I believe they are the same but used them separate to keep you focused on the answer.
Since when did debateable murder and the prevention thereof become only for those that are religious?
Let me get this strait...an athiest or agnostic person can have no objection to murder or abortion?
I believe they are the same but used them separate to keep you focused on the answer.
Since when did debateable murder and the prevention thereof become only for those that are religious?
Let me get this strait...an athiest or agnostic person can have no objection to murder or abortion?
I believe they are the same but used them separate to keep you focused on the answer.
Since when did debateable murder and the prevention thereof become only for those that are religious?
Let me get this strait...an athiest or agnostic person can have no objection to murder or abortion?
I believe they are the same but used them separate to keep you focused on the answer.
Because a fetus, until the time of viability, is not considered human, therefore, there is no issue of 'murder.' Unless of course, you are a religious zealot.
Since when did debateable murder and the prevention thereof become only for those that are religious?
Let me get this strait...an athiest or agnostic person can have no objection to murder or abortion?
I believe they are the same but used them separate to keep you focused on the answer.
Because a fetus, until the time of viability, is not considered human, therefore, there is no issue of 'murder.' Unless of course, you are a religious zealot.
Because a fetus, until the time of viability, is not considered human,
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By whom, you?
When is "viable" exactly?
And if it isn't "human" (yet it has human DNA and is a person sapien) what, exactly, is it?
Because a fetus, until the time of viability, is not considered human,
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By whom, you?
When is "viable" exactly?
And if it isn't "human" (yet it has human DNA and is a person sapien) what, exactly, is it?
Because a fetus, until the time of viability, is not considered human
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Is it considered a dog, cat, ape, fish, or bird, etc.? Obviously not.
By the way, Obstetricians and pediatricians say it is impossible to draw a line between viability and nonviability
Because a fetus, until the time of viability, is not considered human
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Is it considered a dog, cat, ape, fish, or bird, etc.? Obviously not.
By the way, Obstetricians and pediatricians say it is impossible to draw a line between viability and nonviability
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