If you missed the Presidential Temper Tantrum

You don't say anything because it benefits you.

Nowhere in the 2nd Amendment does it place any restriction on the ownership of firearms. Nowhere does it say that a convicted violent felon can't openly carry a firearm into a middle-school.

But no sane person is going to argue that such a right is protected by the 2nd Amendment. That is my point.

If one wants to debate the effectiveness (or not) of gun control measures, I can see the argument. But taking the absolutist position that the 2nd Amendment forbids the restrictions is hypocritical.

I hate to say it, but Daroad is a goog example of this. I rarely see him invoke the 2nd A but he does cite articles and stats (which I don't usually agree with).

Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

“Democrats enjoy a supermajority in the Illinois House of Representatives, holding 71 seats to the GOP’s 47. On Wednesday, the same day the US Senate voted down gun control legislation, powerful Democrat Speaker Michael Madigan tried to push a restrictive gun control measure through his chamber. The result was an open revolt by downstate Democrats, with almost half the Democrat caucus joining the GOP to kill the measure. The bill went down 31-76, a rare defeat for the legendary Madigan.”

90%!!! 

90%!!!

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-illinois-concealed-carry-0418-20130418,0,311418.story

A new Quinnipiac University poll shows that 85% of gun owners support universal background checks and 88% of Americans support them.

They broke it down by certain states as well:

Florida, March 21, 91 – 8 percent support, including 88 – 11 percent among gun owners
Connecticut, March 6, 93 – 6 percent support, including 89 – 9 percent among gun owners
Ohio, March 1, 90 – 8 percent, including 86 – 12 percent among gun owners
Pennsylvania, January 30, 95 – 5 percent, including 95 – 4 percent among gun owners;
New Jersey, January 24, 96 – 3 percent, including 95 – 5 percent among gun owners
Virginia, January 10, 92 – 7 percent, including 91 – 7 percent among gun owners.

Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

That entire article is filled with lies.

For example:

and yet real criminals and other prohibited purchasers get willy nilly access to fire arms.

No they don't. It is hilarious to watch people totally unclear of America's gun laws to continue to make these claims.

So because you say they are lies make it so? What about internet sales or gun shows? Do they require any form of background checks?

I'm a firm believer that people kill people, not guns. So I see background checks as a reasonable step to keeping guns in the hands of people who should have them. I am unconvinced that the defeat of this measure was in any way a victory for the the 2nd amendment. It was a simply hack political job.

It's also not legal for criminals to have guns but they do. As for sales over the internet you think it doesn't happen? Check craigslist sometime or one of the other wonderful sights such as armslist. Just what percentage of transactions do you think go through a background check? Maybe if you stopped watching fox and listening to the right wing agenda thrown out by the whackjobs there you'd see the light.