I just heard that the union route drivers had their contracts state they would either deliver the loaves of bread or the snack cakes (twinkies, ho ho's, etc) but not both. That meant Hostess had to have two separate drivers make deliveries to the same store on the same day. People that don't work in the private sector, or people that work in a union, have no idea how much extra that cost a company in manpower and gas.
Another story I can attest to personally.
About ten years ago I was a salaried manager in a union company. A few years before I started there the workers wanted written in their contracts that after 40hrs the workers with the most tenure could refuse OT if they didn't want to work. NOT they would have first choice to work but they would have first choice not to work. We always had extra work after their shifts were over and on the weekends. Because those lazy bastards wouldn't work over 40hrs we always had to make the newer employees work longer hours after their shifts and on the weekend which made a lot of them quit. If it would have been done on a rotating basis they probably would have had to work maybe 5 extra hrs a month. Because we were putting it on the same 5 employees they were having to work an extra 10 hours a week, every week.
From that experience, and other stories I've heard, I now say unions don't exist to protect a person's right to work. Unions exist to protect a worker's right not to work.
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I just heard that the union route drivers had their contracts state they would either deliver the loaves of bread or the snack cakes (twinkies, ho ho's, etc) but not both. That meant Hostess had to have two separate drivers make deliveries to the same store on the same day. People that don't work in the private sector, or people that work in a union, have no idea how much extra that cost a company in manpower and gas.
Another story I can attest to personally.
About ten years ago I was a salaried manager in a union company. A few years before I started there the workers wanted written in their contracts that after 40hrs the workers with the most tenure could refuse OT if they didn't want to work. NOT they would have first choice to work but they would have first choice not to work. We always had extra work after their shifts were over and on the weekends. Because those lazy bastards wouldn't work over 40hrs we always had to make the newer employees work longer hours after their shifts and on the weekend which made a lot of them quit. If it would have been done on a rotating basis they probably would have had to work maybe 5 extra hrs a month. Because we were putting it on the same 5 employees they were having to work an extra 10 hours a week, every week.
From that experience, and other stories I've heard, I now say unions don't exist to protect a person's right to work. Unions exist to protect a worker's right not to work.
I just heard that the union route drivers had their contracts state they would either deliver the loaves of bread or the snack cakes (twinkies, ho ho's, etc) but not both. That meant Hostess had to have two separate drivers make deliveries to the same store on the same day. People that don't work in the private sector, or people that work in a union, have no idea how much extra that cost a company in manpower and gas.
Another story I can attest to personally.
About ten years ago I was a salaried manager in a union company. A few years before I started there the workers wanted written in their contracts that after 40hrs the workers with the most tenure could refuse OT if they didn't want to work. NOT they would have first choice to work but they would have first choice not to work. We always had extra work after their shifts were over and on the weekends. Because those lazy bastards wouldn't work over 40hrs we always had to make the newer employees work longer hours after their shifts and on the weekend which made a lot of them quit. If it would have been done on a rotating basis they probably would have had to work maybe 5 extra hrs a month. Because we were putting it on the same 5 employees they were having to work an extra 10 hours a week, every week.
From that experience, and other stories I've heard, I now say unions don't exist to protect a person's right to work. Unions exist to protect a worker's right not to work.
2 questions.
1, was it written in?
2, explain the diffrence.
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Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:
I just heard that the union route drivers had their contracts state they would either deliver the loaves of bread or the snack cakes (twinkies, ho ho's, etc) but not both. That meant Hostess had to have two separate drivers make deliveries to the same store on the same day. People that don't work in the private sector, or people that work in a union, have no idea how much extra that cost a company in manpower and gas.
Another story I can attest to personally.
About ten years ago I was a salaried manager in a union company. A few years before I started there the workers wanted written in their contracts that after 40hrs the workers with the most tenure could refuse OT if they didn't want to work. NOT they would have first choice to work but they would have first choice not to work. We always had extra work after their shifts were over and on the weekends. Because those lazy bastards wouldn't work over 40hrs we always had to make the newer employees work longer hours after their shifts and on the weekend which made a lot of them quit. If it would have been done on a rotating basis they probably would have had to work maybe 5 extra hrs a month. Because we were putting it on the same 5 employees they were having to work an extra 10 hours a week, every week.
From that experience, and other stories I've heard, I now say unions don't exist to protect a person's right to work. Unions exist to protect a worker's right not to work.
After the strike ended one of the things written in their contract was that the less seniority a worker had the work would fall on him if no one else above him wanted it. And none of the senior guys ever wanted to work over 40hrs.
There is a difference in the way it was written. I would think people that wanted to work would have a contract drawn up saying "senior people have first choice if there is OT or extra work available". Instead, the union had the contract drawn up to state "senior people have the right to refuse extra work to where if there was extra work it would fall to the lowest of seniority."
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Darkhorse:
They went on strike years before I got there.
After the strike ended one of the things written in their contract was that the less seniority a worker had the work would fall on him if no one else above him wanted it. And none of the senior guys ever wanted to work over 40hrs.
There is a difference in the way it was written. I would think people that wanted to work would have a contract drawn up saying "senior people have first choice if there is OT or extra work available". Instead, the union had the contract drawn up to state "senior people have the right to refuse extra work to where if there was extra work it would fall to the lowest of seniority."
the free market working itself out based on consumers speaking with the their wallets and purses at the grocery store...
these products are 20th century foods that dont seem to have the same appeal to the 21st century generations...
hard concept for some to understand...
It is always interesting how so people are so against allowing capitalism and free-markets work themselves out...
Whats next a "bail out"?
This thread is absolutely pathetic.. but is a good smoke screen for the other recent ones that even more pathetic...
Again the uninformed screaming from the rooftops, since when do unions and sugar subsidies represent free markets and capitalism?? If anything this represents a failure of the type of system that your kind promotes.
Duh.
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Quote Originally Posted by dl36:
seems like simple supply and demand economics...
the free market working itself out based on consumers speaking with the their wallets and purses at the grocery store...
these products are 20th century foods that dont seem to have the same appeal to the 21st century generations...
hard concept for some to understand...
It is always interesting how so people are so against allowing capitalism and free-markets work themselves out...
Whats next a "bail out"?
This thread is absolutely pathetic.. but is a good smoke screen for the other recent ones that even more pathetic...
Again the uninformed screaming from the rooftops, since when do unions and sugar subsidies represent free markets and capitalism?? If anything this represents a failure of the type of system that your kind promotes.
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