Koaj why is that single payer systems cost less than half of what USA use on its insurance system?
And ofcourse a single payer system would pay. You are totally missing the point in a shocking way. Everyone gets security and health care though a single payer system because it is paid over your taxes.
So when some freak shit happen to you, you will know that you are fine and things will be okay. You do not have to worry about what exclusions your policy might have that you do not know about.
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Koaj why is that single payer systems cost less than half of what USA use on its insurance system?
And ofcourse a single payer system would pay. You are totally missing the point in a shocking way. Everyone gets security and health care though a single payer system because it is paid over your taxes.
So when some freak shit happen to you, you will know that you are fine and things will be okay. You do not have to worry about what exclusions your policy might have that you do not know about.
And of course there is the moral imperative. Do you think it is okay that this little girl should not have this operation. Something that will save her hearing/speaking abilities.
Do you think it is okay that families have to go see special charity from non profit orgs and others when this happen.
I do not think so...There is such a thing as common decency. Now i am sure you can pay for it should something like that happen to your child, but just lets say you could not. How would you feel about it all then?
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Koaj
And of course there is the moral imperative. Do you think it is okay that this little girl should not have this operation. Something that will save her hearing/speaking abilities.
Do you think it is okay that families have to go see special charity from non profit orgs and others when this happen.
I do not think so...There is such a thing as common decency. Now i am sure you can pay for it should something like that happen to your child, but just lets say you could not. How would you feel about it all then?
You don't need a single payer system to resolve this. A public option does the same thing.
Under the current system in most states, but not all, those under 18 whose family are at the poverty line (approx. 0-20k depending on size of family--varies though) will receive state coverage under the state's medicare funds.
Everyone else pays for health insurance, whether it is through work or individual. The obvious problems with this have been pointed out ad nuseum, but essentially too many uninsured and too many underinsured.
So how does this girl get covered--well, it depends upon the State, but essentially, she is covered by the new plan based upon her family's income, with money paid by taxes, but with said taxes, there is a savings to the consumer for their health plan. In other words, more taxes, and paying less in their coverage.
The joke that just keeps on coming is that we will have a Dr. shortage. I suppose that since that argument is coming from the same people that question Obama's birth certificate and stand in front of Fox News drooling, should tell you something.
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You don't need a single payer system to resolve this. A public option does the same thing.
Under the current system in most states, but not all, those under 18 whose family are at the poverty line (approx. 0-20k depending on size of family--varies though) will receive state coverage under the state's medicare funds.
Everyone else pays for health insurance, whether it is through work or individual. The obvious problems with this have been pointed out ad nuseum, but essentially too many uninsured and too many underinsured.
So how does this girl get covered--well, it depends upon the State, but essentially, she is covered by the new plan based upon her family's income, with money paid by taxes, but with said taxes, there is a savings to the consumer for their health plan. In other words, more taxes, and paying less in their coverage.
The joke that just keeps on coming is that we will have a Dr. shortage. I suppose that since that argument is coming from the same people that question Obama's birth certificate and stand in front of Fox News drooling, should tell you something.
The parents already have an insurance plan though.. it just doesn't cover the cost.
Right, but under health care reform, her parents would pay the money they are paying now, but would get a better plan (state plan--and those plans are similar to the comprehensive blue cross plans). her family would fall into the underinsured category. That still effects our coverages because we either donate money to pay for her surgery, or the hospital performs the surgery and if they don't get paid, they raise rates to compensate, and thus my insurance goes up.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:
The parents already have an insurance plan though.. it just doesn't cover the cost.
Right, but under health care reform, her parents would pay the money they are paying now, but would get a better plan (state plan--and those plans are similar to the comprehensive blue cross plans). her family would fall into the underinsured category. That still effects our coverages because we either donate money to pay for her surgery, or the hospital performs the surgery and if they don't get paid, they raise rates to compensate, and thus my insurance goes up.
why would a single payer system pay for this operation?
a 6 year old pays no taxes and doesnt contribute to society...yet
mikael - do you believe that a single payer system covers everything for everyone? if so, who pays?
do you have any idea what happens when demand skyrockets and supply of a service (doctor) is stagnant?
i'll wait for an answer on the last question
Now that's just fucking ridiculous. OK, yeah, so kids should not get any health care because they haven't contributed anything to society and can't pay their bills. If their parents can't pay or don't want to pay, then just let em suffer. Just let them die or become disabled and become a drain on society forever. Nice logic.
By that token, then why are we giving these 6 year old bastards a free education? WTF have they contributed to society? If education is OK, but medical care is not, then you gotta explain that one to me. Kinda hard to become educated when you are sick. Shouldn't health care be priority #1?
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Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
why would a single payer system pay for this operation?
a 6 year old pays no taxes and doesnt contribute to society...yet
mikael - do you believe that a single payer system covers everything for everyone? if so, who pays?
do you have any idea what happens when demand skyrockets and supply of a service (doctor) is stagnant?
i'll wait for an answer on the last question
Now that's just fucking ridiculous. OK, yeah, so kids should not get any health care because they haven't contributed anything to society and can't pay their bills. If their parents can't pay or don't want to pay, then just let em suffer. Just let them die or become disabled and become a drain on society forever. Nice logic.
By that token, then why are we giving these 6 year old bastards a free education? WTF have they contributed to society? If education is OK, but medical care is not, then you gotta explain that one to me. Kinda hard to become educated when you are sick. Shouldn't health care be priority #1?
i cant speak for koaj... but i think hes not saying that, hes saying that everybody else is going to have to pay for it whether the plan is passed or not
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i cant speak for koaj... but i think hes not saying that, hes saying that everybody else is going to have to pay for it whether the plan is passed or not
Funny how our republican friends do not want to address the core issue here, which is that a little girl can not get treatment without her parents have to look for charity. Even if they have insurance.
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Funny how our republican friends do not want to address the core issue here, which is that a little girl can not get treatment without her parents have to look for charity. Even if they have insurance.
if you're fine with the government denying cancer drugs because of the cost, then support the government take over
i still have no idea why anyone on this board (who lives in the states) thinks the government can run healthcare when every other "business" venture they've gotten into has been a dismal failure
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if you're fine with the government denying cancer drugs because of the cost, then support the government take over
i still have no idea why anyone on this board (who lives in the states) thinks the government can run healthcare when every other "business" venture they've gotten into has been a dismal failure
Funny how our republican friends do not want to address the core issue here, which is that a little girl can not get treatment without her parents have to look for charity. Even if they have insurance.
her parents should sue the insurer. also, maybe the parents had no choice in what insurer they took. maybe there was a better plan in kansas or nebraska that would have covered the expense
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:
Funny how our republican friends do not want to address the core issue here, which is that a little girl can not get treatment without her parents have to look for charity. Even if they have insurance.
her parents should sue the insurer. also, maybe the parents had no choice in what insurer they took. maybe there was a better plan in kansas or nebraska that would have covered the expense
her parents should sue the insurer. also, maybe the parents had no choice in what insurer they took. maybe there was a better plan in kansas or nebraska that would have covered the expense
Koaj this is not something abnormal, it is the "normal". The doctor says so in the interview. So it is not a freak incident with an insurance company that is out of line. It is normal practice. These insurance company's do not care period.
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Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
her parents should sue the insurer. also, maybe the parents had no choice in what insurer they took. maybe there was a better plan in kansas or nebraska that would have covered the expense
Koaj this is not something abnormal, it is the "normal". The doctor says so in the interview. So it is not a freak incident with an insurance company that is out of line. It is normal practice. These insurance company's do not care period.
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