you wouldnt like it if you spent all summer making you cocoon, now in the winter while you are turning into a butterfly, your neighbor comes over and says, hey i'm freezing to death, i didnt feel like making a cocoon. i refused to make a cocoon..in fact, i got all up in arms about having to make a cocoon. so the master caterpillar gives you a call and says, sorry pal, you have to share your cocoon with this loafer over here because if you dont, he would die. you might only have room for yourself in the cocoon but it doesnt matter. king obama the caterpillar has spoken..
Posting on acid.
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Quote Originally Posted by williamwallace:
you wouldnt like it if you spent all summer making you cocoon, now in the winter while you are turning into a butterfly, your neighbor comes over and says, hey i'm freezing to death, i didnt feel like making a cocoon. i refused to make a cocoon..in fact, i got all up in arms about having to make a cocoon. so the master caterpillar gives you a call and says, sorry pal, you have to share your cocoon with this loafer over here because if you dont, he would die. you might only have room for yourself in the cocoon but it doesnt matter. king obama the caterpillar has spoken..
seriously, are all you so pathetic that your original handle was banned for acting like a 4 year old on the internet? is it really that hard to believe that i am who i say i am and this is my original handle?
now if i say i am leaving to day drink in the sun with some babes, does that corroberate my story or does that make you think i am trying really hard to get you to believe?
guess the world will never know. although if you guys know that fareek is second again, another penalty box dummy who actually has the nerve to call me an alias, then you HAVE TO know, that i log in from CP, MD every day. you have to know that right? i mean seriously, i know i make a lot of good points, and since you cannot refute them, the next best thing you can do is defame my character...but i am most certainly who i say i am
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seriously, are all you so pathetic that your original handle was banned for acting like a 4 year old on the internet? is it really that hard to believe that i am who i say i am and this is my original handle?
now if i say i am leaving to day drink in the sun with some babes, does that corroberate my story or does that make you think i am trying really hard to get you to believe?
guess the world will never know. although if you guys know that fareek is second again, another penalty box dummy who actually has the nerve to call me an alias, then you HAVE TO know, that i log in from CP, MD every day. you have to know that right? i mean seriously, i know i make a lot of good points, and since you cannot refute them, the next best thing you can do is defame my character...but i am most certainly who i say i am
Whats wrong with his parents paying for this health care? The guys in school, hes not making money. Hes learning how to create a suitable living so when hes done with school he can pay for his health care, like everyone else in the country that wants to have a normal life. The way i see it, his parents work hard, have raised a well rounded individual who is working for his future, and in return his parents reward him with having the ability to not have to worry about getting injured, or when hes injured he can get help quick so he does not miss school. Yet you want to heal someone that has no drive to build this country? Hes not sitting at home, playing video games, or selling drugs on the street corner.
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Whats wrong with his parents paying for this health care? The guys in school, hes not making money. Hes learning how to create a suitable living so when hes done with school he can pay for his health care, like everyone else in the country that wants to have a normal life. The way i see it, his parents work hard, have raised a well rounded individual who is working for his future, and in return his parents reward him with having the ability to not have to worry about getting injured, or when hes injured he can get help quick so he does not miss school. Yet you want to heal someone that has no drive to build this country? Hes not sitting at home, playing video games, or selling drugs on the street corner.
This coming from the kid whose parents pay for his health insurance.
You might be more open to reform if (not when) you actually paid for your own coverage.
There is nothing wrong with having your parents pay for your coverage while you are further your education. Good Insurance plans right now allow for this provision.
The problem with Obama's HCR is that it now covers the deadbeats, too.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
This coming from the kid whose parents pay for his health insurance.
You might be more open to reform if (not when) you actually paid for your own coverage.
There is nothing wrong with having your parents pay for your coverage while you are further your education. Good Insurance plans right now allow for this provision.
The problem with Obama's HCR is that it now covers the deadbeats, too.
Umm, no. If you spend time in here, you learn about people. WW will tell you his parents pay his health care. He's an engineering student (or alias, depending on who you ask
Most people don't pay their own health care?
Please run along. Its Saturday, and after a week of school, you deserve a break from the computer.
maybe you need to spend less time on here "learning" or "assuming" about people and get to work
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
Umm, no. If you spend time in here, you learn about people. WW will tell you his parents pay his health care. He's an engineering student (or alias, depending on who you ask
Most people don't pay their own health care?
Please run along. Its Saturday, and after a week of school, you deserve a break from the computer.
maybe you need to spend less time on here "learning" or "assuming" about people and get to work
DJBOW hes speaking in your language so your narrow minded mind can relate a simple story to a complex world that we live in.... did you understand it, or should he break it down some more?
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DJBOW hes speaking in your language so your narrow minded mind can relate a simple story to a complex world that we live in.... did you understand it, or should he break it down some more?
Whats wrong with his parents paying for this health care? The guys in school, hes not making money. Hes learning how to create a suitable living so when hes done with school he can pay for his health care, like everyone else in the country that wants to have a normal life. The way i see it, his parents work hard, have raised a well rounded individual who is working for his future, and in return his parents reward him with having the ability to not have to worry about getting injured, or when hes injured he can get help quick so he does not miss school. Yet you want to heal someone that has no drive to build this country? Hes not sitting at home, playing video games, or selling drugs on the street corner.
when/if i become successful, i will use the majority of my resources on my children. such is the way of the world. parents who did not value their children saw their children die, and thus the gene that was responsible for 'shitty child-rearing' died along with the individual. all i know is there is going to be A LOT of 'shitty child rearing' genes in our society in the future because we allow them all to proliferate. i want to have 50 children with 50 different women, but because i dont have travis henry money, i am unable to do so....except when the government takes all my responsible money to pay for the delinquents of somebody i have never met. i have no interest in supporting the genes that are not mine, and if you are a fit organism, you dont either.
the reason modern day human parents all care for their children in such a ridiculous manner is that it turned out to be the fittest solution in the earth we are on.
my parents buy my healthcare because they can afford to. my parents dont have 5 more children because they know they cannot afford them. it would be a waste of resources (time and money) to care for a child that has no chance of survival due to a lack of resources.
this is the same reason people wont have kids in the event of a nuclear fallout or a huge famine. because it would be a waste of resources to try and raise a child that you know wont survive.
this is how it works in nature, and you naive humans think you can change this for some reason because you know, 'we are humans... we are not possessed by the same instincts as the other lowly animals on the planet.' very very comical.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
Whats wrong with his parents paying for this health care? The guys in school, hes not making money. Hes learning how to create a suitable living so when hes done with school he can pay for his health care, like everyone else in the country that wants to have a normal life. The way i see it, his parents work hard, have raised a well rounded individual who is working for his future, and in return his parents reward him with having the ability to not have to worry about getting injured, or when hes injured he can get help quick so he does not miss school. Yet you want to heal someone that has no drive to build this country? Hes not sitting at home, playing video games, or selling drugs on the street corner.
when/if i become successful, i will use the majority of my resources on my children. such is the way of the world. parents who did not value their children saw their children die, and thus the gene that was responsible for 'shitty child-rearing' died along with the individual. all i know is there is going to be A LOT of 'shitty child rearing' genes in our society in the future because we allow them all to proliferate. i want to have 50 children with 50 different women, but because i dont have travis henry money, i am unable to do so....except when the government takes all my responsible money to pay for the delinquents of somebody i have never met. i have no interest in supporting the genes that are not mine, and if you are a fit organism, you dont either.
the reason modern day human parents all care for their children in such a ridiculous manner is that it turned out to be the fittest solution in the earth we are on.
my parents buy my healthcare because they can afford to. my parents dont have 5 more children because they know they cannot afford them. it would be a waste of resources (time and money) to care for a child that has no chance of survival due to a lack of resources.
this is the same reason people wont have kids in the event of a nuclear fallout or a huge famine. because it would be a waste of resources to try and raise a child that you know wont survive.
this is how it works in nature, and you naive humans think you can change this for some reason because you know, 'we are humans... we are not possessed by the same instincts as the other lowly animals on the planet.' very very comical.
DJBOW hes speaking in your language so your narrow minded mind can relate a simple story to a complex world that we live in.... did you understand it, or should he break it down some more?
I understand his language. You should probably stick to right wingers. Right wing lingo is a simple speak.
Whose mind is narrow? One who understands the cost of insurance or one who doesn't?
Forget it. Logic clearly sails far over your simple mind.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
DJBOW hes speaking in your language so your narrow minded mind can relate a simple story to a complex world that we live in.... did you understand it, or should he break it down some more?
I understand his language. You should probably stick to right wingers. Right wing lingo is a simple speak.
Whose mind is narrow? One who understands the cost of insurance or one who doesn't?
Forget it. Logic clearly sails far over your simple mind.
my father has done a lot of good for a lot of people in society. they appreciate what he does for them and in return compensates him with money. money which he can use for whatever the fuck he wants, including health care or health insurance for his children. he will take his money and pay a doctor who also does a shitload of good for society. this is how you make sure that people actually do something that is good for society, because energy isnt free pal, so work is a valued commodity. when you dont produce anything for society and then you demand that those who do produce must do so without compensation, you remove the desire to produce...and since youve been to somalia, i am sure you know what that is like.
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my father has done a lot of good for a lot of people in society. they appreciate what he does for them and in return compensates him with money. money which he can use for whatever the fuck he wants, including health care or health insurance for his children. he will take his money and pay a doctor who also does a shitload of good for society. this is how you make sure that people actually do something that is good for society, because energy isnt free pal, so work is a valued commodity. when you dont produce anything for society and then you demand that those who do produce must do so without compensation, you remove the desire to produce...and since youve been to somalia, i am sure you know what that is like.
my father has done a lot of good for a lot of people in society. they appreciate what he does for them and in return compensates him with money. money which he can use for whatever the fuck he wants, including health care or health insurance for his children. he will take his money and pay a doctor who also does a shitload of good for society. this is how you make sure that people actually do something that is good for society, because energy isnt free pal, so work is a valued commodity. when you dont produce anything for society and then you demand that those who do produce must do so without compensation, you remove the desire to produce...and since youve been to somalia, i am sure you know what that is like.
No. In Somalia, they worry about dying everyday. Money and compensation don't enter the equation. Just the desire to live.
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Quote Originally Posted by williamwallace:
my father has done a lot of good for a lot of people in society. they appreciate what he does for them and in return compensates him with money. money which he can use for whatever the fuck he wants, including health care or health insurance for his children. he will take his money and pay a doctor who also does a shitload of good for society. this is how you make sure that people actually do something that is good for society, because energy isnt free pal, so work is a valued commodity. when you dont produce anything for society and then you demand that those who do produce must do so without compensation, you remove the desire to produce...and since youve been to somalia, i am sure you know what that is like.
No. In Somalia, they worry about dying everyday. Money and compensation don't enter the equation. Just the desire to live.
No. In Somalia, they worry about dying everyday. Money and compensation don't enter the equation. Just the desire to live.
so they tax the warlords to pay for the survival costs of the rest of them right? the warlords are the only producers...we have productive producers in society...you want to remove their desire to produce.
theres a reason all the great technology used to come out of america. people knew if they tried really hard and created something great for society, that they would reap the benefits of being filthy stinking rich.
now that i know it doesnt matter how much i do for society, there is no need for me to try. and society as a whole loses.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
No. In Somalia, they worry about dying everyday. Money and compensation don't enter the equation. Just the desire to live.
so they tax the warlords to pay for the survival costs of the rest of them right? the warlords are the only producers...we have productive producers in society...you want to remove their desire to produce.
theres a reason all the great technology used to come out of america. people knew if they tried really hard and created something great for society, that they would reap the benefits of being filthy stinking rich.
now that i know it doesnt matter how much i do for society, there is no need for me to try. and society as a whole loses.
i knew i shouldnt have added that last part, i knew it. because it just gave you something else to talk about besides the facts that are staring you right in the face.
well, maybe you actually agree with everything i wrote (besides somalia)...but if you did, you would be hard-pressed to defend your political views.
i want good things for everybody too. you think i enjoy seeing homeless people on the street? but we live in a society where we are all competing for limited resources
we live in a society where we are all competing for limited resources
we live in a society where we are all competing for limited resources
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i knew i shouldnt have added that last part, i knew it. because it just gave you something else to talk about besides the facts that are staring you right in the face.
well, maybe you actually agree with everything i wrote (besides somalia)...but if you did, you would be hard-pressed to defend your political views.
i want good things for everybody too. you think i enjoy seeing homeless people on the street? but we live in a society where we are all competing for limited resources
we live in a society where we are all competing for limited resources
we live in a society where we are all competing for limited resources
I understand his language. You should probably stick to right wingers. Right wing lingo is a simple speak.
Whose mind is narrow? One who understands the cost of insurance or one who doesn't?
Forget it. Logic clearly sails far over your simple mind.
Logic in this situation is simple; Those who work should not have to pay for those who do not. When you keep it simple you keep it easy. KISS Keep It Simple Stupid is something you should follow Did In & Out burger become this huge family ran business by making things difficult? No
Logic; you work you survive, you do nothing, you get nothing... funny how evaluation worked its self out.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
I understand his language. You should probably stick to right wingers. Right wing lingo is a simple speak.
Whose mind is narrow? One who understands the cost of insurance or one who doesn't?
Forget it. Logic clearly sails far over your simple mind.
Logic in this situation is simple; Those who work should not have to pay for those who do not. When you keep it simple you keep it easy. KISS Keep It Simple Stupid is something you should follow Did In & Out burger become this huge family ran business by making things difficult? No
Logic; you work you survive, you do nothing, you get nothing... funny how evaluation worked its self out.
seriously, are all you so pathetic that your original handle was banned for acting like a 4 year old on the internet? is it really that hard to believe that i am who i say i am and this is my original handle?
now if i say i am leaving to day drink in the sun with some babes, does that corroberate my story or does that make you think i am trying really hard to get you to believe?
guess the world will never know. although if you guys know that fareek is second again, another penalty box dummy who actually has the nerve to call me an alias, then you HAVE TO know, that i log in from CP, MD every day. you have to know that right? i mean seriously, i know i make a lot of good points, and since you cannot refute them, the next best thing you can do is defame my character...but i am most certainly who i say i am
and feel free to ignore this post...just ignore it...wait a couple days til i make another point you cant dispute and call me an alias again
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Quote Originally Posted by williamwallace:
seriously, are all you so pathetic that your original handle was banned for acting like a 4 year old on the internet? is it really that hard to believe that i am who i say i am and this is my original handle?
now if i say i am leaving to day drink in the sun with some babes, does that corroberate my story or does that make you think i am trying really hard to get you to believe?
guess the world will never know. although if you guys know that fareek is second again, another penalty box dummy who actually has the nerve to call me an alias, then you HAVE TO know, that i log in from CP, MD every day. you have to know that right? i mean seriously, i know i make a lot of good points, and since you cannot refute them, the next best thing you can do is defame my character...but i am most certainly who i say i am
and feel free to ignore this post...just ignore it...wait a couple days til i make another point you cant dispute and call me an alias again
Logic in this situation is simple; Those who work should not have to pay for those who do not. When you keep it simple you keep it easy. KISS Keep It Simple Stupid is something you should follow Did In & Out burger become this huge family ran business by making things difficult? No
Logic; you work you survive, you do nothing, you get nothing... funny how evaluation worked its self out.
I have no doubt that KISS sits at your burger station.
The problem with your logic is this: no doubt I make more than you. Why should I be taxed to pay for things that you use, but I don't?
I'll answer it for you to free up your afternoon. Because it is for the betterment of society. If society is better, so is my business.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
Logic in this situation is simple; Those who work should not have to pay for those who do not. When you keep it simple you keep it easy. KISS Keep It Simple Stupid is something you should follow Did In & Out burger become this huge family ran business by making things difficult? No
Logic; you work you survive, you do nothing, you get nothing... funny how evaluation worked its self out.
I have no doubt that KISS sits at your burger station.
The problem with your logic is this: no doubt I make more than you. Why should I be taxed to pay for things that you use, but I don't?
I'll answer it for you to free up your afternoon. Because it is for the betterment of society. If society is better, so is my business.
the way i see it, its mandatory to pay what 130 ( roughly) a month for madatory health care, or just sit back and wait for the fee of 1% of your monthly salary. Guess what people are going to choose? Why would someone pay over 1k a year for health insurance when they can pay $100 bucks for a fee and still get the same treatment. With that 1k health insurance companies that have been in this business for years can make that 1k turn into 9k but investing. But that $100 can now turn into $900. You multiply that by how ever many people we have in this country, and that's how much your insurance will create. Then you take the average person that uses $2000 a year in health benefits and that $900 a year does not add up. CHalk up that $1900 in the red ink and multiply that by every American. Oh wait, now our ships are flooded with immigrants because they can pay $90 a year for every health benefit that you receive. Then let me know how you feel when you are sitting in the waiting room, and people that can only say "hello" in English get treated before you. Is that logic?
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the way i see it, its mandatory to pay what 130 ( roughly) a month for madatory health care, or just sit back and wait for the fee of 1% of your monthly salary. Guess what people are going to choose? Why would someone pay over 1k a year for health insurance when they can pay $100 bucks for a fee and still get the same treatment. With that 1k health insurance companies that have been in this business for years can make that 1k turn into 9k but investing. But that $100 can now turn into $900. You multiply that by how ever many people we have in this country, and that's how much your insurance will create. Then you take the average person that uses $2000 a year in health benefits and that $900 a year does not add up. CHalk up that $1900 in the red ink and multiply that by every American. Oh wait, now our ships are flooded with immigrants because they can pay $90 a year for every health benefit that you receive. Then let me know how you feel when you are sitting in the waiting room, and people that can only say "hello" in English get treated before you. Is that logic?
so they tax the warlords to pay for the survival costs of the rest of them right? the warlords are the only producers...we have productive producers in society...you want to remove their desire to produce.
theres a reason all the great technology used to come out of america. people knew if they tried really hard and created something great for society, that they would reap the benefits of being filthy stinking rich.
now that i know it doesnt matter how much i do for society, there is no need for me to try. and society as a whole loses.
Wrong.
Countries like Somalia continue in failure because the overwhelming majority of the population lives in such an oppressed state that improvement is basically impossible because 95% of the population never has the opportunity to attain education/wealth to increase the effectiveness of society as a whole.
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Quote Originally Posted by williamwallace:
so they tax the warlords to pay for the survival costs of the rest of them right? the warlords are the only producers...we have productive producers in society...you want to remove their desire to produce.
theres a reason all the great technology used to come out of america. people knew if they tried really hard and created something great for society, that they would reap the benefits of being filthy stinking rich.
now that i know it doesnt matter how much i do for society, there is no need for me to try. and society as a whole loses.
Wrong.
Countries like Somalia continue in failure because the overwhelming majority of the population lives in such an oppressed state that improvement is basically impossible because 95% of the population never has the opportunity to attain education/wealth to increase the effectiveness of society as a whole.
the way i see it, its mandatory to pay what 130 ( roughly) a month for madatory health care, or just sit back and wait for the fee of 1% of your monthly salary. Guess what people are going to choose? Why would someone pay over 1k a year for health insurance when they can pay $100 bucks for a fee and still get the same treatment. With that 1k health insurance companies that have been in this business for years can make that 1k turn into 9k but investing. But that $100 can now turn into $900. You multiply that by how ever many people we have in this country, and that's how much your insurance will create. Then you take the average person that uses $2000 a year in health benefits and that $900 a year does not add up. CHalk up that $1900 in the red ink and multiply that by every American. Oh wait, now our ships are flooded with immigrants because they can pay $90 a year for every health benefit that you receive. Then let me know how you feel when you are sitting in the waiting room, and people that can only say "hello" in English get treated before you. Is that logic?
Does the word 'no' answer your question?
How does someone intend to receive the same treatment when they don't have insurance?
Intelligence isn't your strong suit is it.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
the way i see it, its mandatory to pay what 130 ( roughly) a month for madatory health care, or just sit back and wait for the fee of 1% of your monthly salary. Guess what people are going to choose? Why would someone pay over 1k a year for health insurance when they can pay $100 bucks for a fee and still get the same treatment. With that 1k health insurance companies that have been in this business for years can make that 1k turn into 9k but investing. But that $100 can now turn into $900. You multiply that by how ever many people we have in this country, and that's how much your insurance will create. Then you take the average person that uses $2000 a year in health benefits and that $900 a year does not add up. CHalk up that $1900 in the red ink and multiply that by every American. Oh wait, now our ships are flooded with immigrants because they can pay $90 a year for every health benefit that you receive. Then let me know how you feel when you are sitting in the waiting room, and people that can only say "hello" in English get treated before you. Is that logic?
Does the word 'no' answer your question?
How does someone intend to receive the same treatment when they don't have insurance?
I have no doubt that KISS sits at your burger station.
The problem with your logic is this: no doubt I make more than you. Why should I be taxed to pay for things that you use, but I don't?
I'll answer it for you to free up your afternoon. Because it is for the betterment of society. If society is better, so is my business.
If you care to read my logic is; people that make more should not have to be taxed more. Why should someone pay more, for doing more work? With that logic people will not want to work, becasue why work more when i must pay more? Your doctor that makes 275K a year, is going to take the last 2 months off from the year because; why work when all hes going to do is pay that money to higher taxes. Thus limiting his work force, and producing even less. My logic has nothing to do with you making more then i do. BUt thanks for trying to toot your own horn.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
I have no doubt that KISS sits at your burger station.
The problem with your logic is this: no doubt I make more than you. Why should I be taxed to pay for things that you use, but I don't?
I'll answer it for you to free up your afternoon. Because it is for the betterment of society. If society is better, so is my business.
If you care to read my logic is; people that make more should not have to be taxed more. Why should someone pay more, for doing more work? With that logic people will not want to work, becasue why work more when i must pay more? Your doctor that makes 275K a year, is going to take the last 2 months off from the year because; why work when all hes going to do is pay that money to higher taxes. Thus limiting his work force, and producing even less. My logic has nothing to do with you making more then i do. BUt thanks for trying to toot your own horn.
It actually does make sense. look what people are going to do, these people try everything they can to take advantage of the system. Obama was the leader of ACORN what did ACORN do, try to rip off the American people. His health care plan is just that...
People are not going to pay in full for this mandatory health care. People are cheap, and will take the fines. So where is the money going to come from? They still will be served and healed, but they won't pay shit. They will pay a very small fraction of what they should be paying. IF you ran a business, and you did a service for someone that cost $100 bucks, but they could not afford it, so you take $10 bucks. Well now you can not pay your employee that did the work, you can not pay for the space you used for the service, and you can not pay for the supply they took. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN
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It actually does make sense. look what people are going to do, these people try everything they can to take advantage of the system. Obama was the leader of ACORN what did ACORN do, try to rip off the American people. His health care plan is just that...
People are not going to pay in full for this mandatory health care. People are cheap, and will take the fines. So where is the money going to come from? They still will be served and healed, but they won't pay shit. They will pay a very small fraction of what they should be paying. IF you ran a business, and you did a service for someone that cost $100 bucks, but they could not afford it, so you take $10 bucks. Well now you can not pay your employee that did the work, you can not pay for the space you used for the service, and you can not pay for the supply they took. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN
It actually does make sense. look what people are going to do, these people try everything they can to take advantage of the system. Obama was the leader of ACORN what did ACORN do, try to rip off the American people. His health care plan is just that...
People are not going to pay in full for this mandatory health care. People are cheap, and will take the fines. So where is the money going to come from? They still will be served and healed, but they won't pay shit. They will pay a very small fraction of what they should be paying. IF you ran a business, and you did a service for someone that cost $100 bucks, but they could not afford it, so you take $10 bucks. Well now you can not pay your employee that did the work, you can not pay for the space you used for the service, and you can not pay for the supply they took. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN
You need to stick around here. Seriously. You raise the IQ of the right wingers by at least a good 25 points.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
It actually does make sense. look what people are going to do, these people try everything they can to take advantage of the system. Obama was the leader of ACORN what did ACORN do, try to rip off the American people. His health care plan is just that...
People are not going to pay in full for this mandatory health care. People are cheap, and will take the fines. So where is the money going to come from? They still will be served and healed, but they won't pay shit. They will pay a very small fraction of what they should be paying. IF you ran a business, and you did a service for someone that cost $100 bucks, but they could not afford it, so you take $10 bucks. Well now you can not pay your employee that did the work, you can not pay for the space you used for the service, and you can not pay for the supply they took. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN
You need to stick around here. Seriously. You raise the IQ of the right wingers by at least a good 25 points.
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