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Posted: #51
Quote Originally Posted by baccaratonly:

Vanzack.....matchbook is a broker. Pinnacle and the greek dnt book 20 dimes -40 dimes on sides especially in college. bookmaker and uwager are the only 2 books out there that take large amts although even bookmaker restricts on totals and college.
also, many of the sportsbooks limit you to few withdrawals a week nowadays, many just one, and have low limits to their checks issued, which take foreve, to recieve.
a guy like panther who may bet 150 dolars a game and win up to 3500 for the week will have no problem collecting rapidly. But those who have over 100 dimes in acct will have to wait forever(except bookmaker who has unlimited wire withdrawals)

Sir - Matchbook is virtually limitless.  Getting 20-40K down at MB is childsplay.  Pinnacle will take 50K on NFL, and that is only PER BET.  Wait 2 minutes, bet another 50K.

I understand why you are so misinformed.  There are rules for people who are recreational gamblers, and rules for bigger gamblers.  You dont know the rules.  Do you think people who bet 25K per game are getting checks?  Once a week limit?  You are funny.

And LV has higher limits than offshore?  HUH?  There is not a single sport where LV has higher limits than offshore.  PLEASE.

You dont know what you are talking about.

I will tell you - once again - that your "whales" are not really whales.  They are LV yokels on vacation.  Simple question:  DOESNT IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU THAT REAL PROS DONT -LAY -110?  Do you really want to follow someone that lays -110?  Isnt that a guy you want to run from?

Like I said, carry on with your thread and your angle.  No problems.  I am simply disagreeing with your premise that you are somehow following information that is worthwhile.

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vanzck.......Offshore wagering the way its become with this new law restricting money flow both in and out and causing many sportsbooks to not even be able to wire in and out has chased away many of the whales. Ppl dont want to bet 20-50 dimes on a game and have to wait 3- 6 months to collect.
Also, the outfits you keep bringing up offshore with the 102 lines have extremely low max bets allowed and boot "steam" players and sharps out rather quickly or just lower their max bets to dime or nickle action.
yes, they do still open multiple outs for themselves offshore but many still like the vegas gig much better cause they can go in and make their bets or send their runners and collect on spot.


pinnacle offers wager as high as 10k... check out "thegreek"... hell they even transfer the money to you with moneygram ON THE SAME DAY.. all you have to do is ask for it...

Sharpes are handled much different than anybody else playing at an Offshore.. different limits..different numbers to call in..ect..I could go on..point here is...

Why do people Insist on talking about something that they have NO CLUE about.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by danggdawgg:

vanzck.......Offshore wagering the way its become with this new law restricting money flow both in and out and causing many sportsbooks to not even be able to wire in and out has chased away many of the whales. Ppl dont want to bet 20-50 dimes on a game and have to wait 3- 6 months to collect.
Also, the outfits you keep bringing up offshore with the 102 lines have extremely low max bets allowed and boot "steam" players and sharps out rather quickly or just lower their max bets to dime or nickle action.
yes, they do still open multiple outs for themselves offshore but many still like the vegas gig much better cause they can go in and make their bets or send their runners and collect on spot.


pinnacle offers wager as high as 10k... check out "thegreek"... hell they even transfer the money to you with moneygram ON THE SAME DAY.. all you have to do is ask for it...

Once again, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE IN THIS REALM.

Everything you post in this quote is FACTUALLY INACCURATE.

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Posted: #54
Quote Originally Posted by baccaratonly:

dangawd.....mg same day? hahaha yea great. $800 max or 1500 max out once a week withdrawal? come on now.



i believe it is 900 bucks max daily and as many times you want in a week... if you want to do it every day then its 900x7= $6300 max
their bank wire transfer has no restrictions and you can withdraw UNLIMITED AMOUNT. you will get your shit load of cash in just 1-4 business days.
 
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Hey Vanzack,

Sorry to bother you in someone else's thread buddy, but I was reading parts of your post on flat betting.... going to read more later.  Was just curious if you bet Hockey and if you use the same principles of flat betting when you.... any insight would be helpful.  Thanks.

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"your gonna educate me" ......hopefully in grammar......hint....(you're)

bacc.....keep posting dude....... i'm pretty sure there are people in vegas betting thousands a game...probably older people who never had the internet and wouldn't trust online transfers......but, nah who would lay -110 when they could send money to Jupiter and get -102 and if they win, MAYBE get their money next time NASA sends a shuttle up......


 
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Posted: #57
slingz....the ravens are the stronger play of the 2 tho. do your own due diligence tho bro. and best of luck to you
 
Why do you say The Ravens are the stronger play, if you yourself dont cap the games, and you yourself just blindly tail someone ?
 
I see alot of people betting the Under on here...which doesnt make sense...If Pittsburgh doesnt have Willie Parker, similar to how Philly didnt have Westbrook...that means majority of their plays are throws...and you seen what happened last night....
 
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by panther123:

Sharpes are handled much different than anybody else playing at an Offshore.. different limits..different numbers to call in..ect..I could go on..point here is...

Why do people Insist on talking about something that they have NO CLUE about.

 

Bingo.

 

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Posted: #59
Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

Have any of you guys ever heard of an agent?
 
And baccaratonly, I have a couple questions for you in the P-Box (see your thread)




I have two right now because of the difference with the lines but always get pay on Tuesday night.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

"your gonna educate me" ......hopefully in grammar......hint....(you're)

bacc.....keep posting dude....... i'm pretty sure there are people in vegas betting thousands a game...probably older people who never had the internet and wouldn't trust online transfers......but, nah who would lay -110 when they could send money to Jupiter and get -102 and if they win, MAYBE get their money next time NASA sends a shuttle up......


Train...This guy is right up your alley...

 
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thanks panther......vansack is right "up yours".....


 
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hey vanzak....this is the type of feedback i was looking for. to see what some of you guys thought. If you look closely in my posts, i always said that i dont know who these guys are whether they are sharps or not just that the last 2 weeks their plays have won at high percentages.
like i said, and say again, offshore wagering is the best and vegas are pussies..no if bets, no open parlays nothing here like offshore. but this fucking new law has made it difficult for many of us who like dropping a few dimes on games and waiting forever to collect.
 
 
 
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i dont know why is everybody in his ass leave the guy alone he is just giving out information on what bg boys are betting he never said they win all the time or its a lock or whatever he is just informing us to what they are betting calm your asses down why would he go out of his ways to lie about this just take it like it is if you wana tail him then tail if u want to fade him goood for you , you guys are making it a big drama out of nothing like high school girls when they are about to go to the prom
 
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btw van... i do believe many of these guys are indeed sharp. not all of them, but many of them. and i do believe the ravens and the over will hit tonite cause of the action taken.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by baccaratonly:

hey vanzak....this is the type of feedback i was looking for. to see what some of you guys thought. If you look closely in my posts, i always said that i dont know who these guys are whether they are sharps or not just that the last 2 weeks their plays have won at high percentages.
like i said, and say again, offshore wagering is the best and vegas are pussies..no if bets, no open parlays nothing here like offshore. but this fucking new law has made it difficult for many of us who like dropping a few dimes on games and waiting forever to collect.
 
 

I understand.  But arent you comparing apples to oranges?  Are you willing to accept that because you have issues dropping a dime or two and getting a check in the mail doesnt mean that the exact people you are trying to identify DONT HAVE THE SAME ISSUE?

Simple question for you:  Who is betting at Pinnacle and Matchbook for large amounts if you can only get 1 check a week for a max of 3k?  Who are the guys with 50K offers on HT bets?  Think about it for a minute.  Do you really think these guys play by the same rules you do?

Now - if they dont - and they are able to move money at will and get paid at will - can you identiry for me ONE SINGLE REASON A SHARP WOULD BET IN VEGAS?

Im really willing to listen.  But I have been down this road many times before - and have heard tons of bad answers - and actually a couple of good answers.  The good answers stem from sports like NCAA basketball totals where you can get 500 bucks down in vegas on stale lines and sometimes they are better than offshore.  BUT NFL???  No way.  No how.

GL with your plays, good discussion, carry on.

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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

thanks panther......vansack is right "up yours".....


I have no problem with that...He's one of the top 3 sharpest posters on Covers...Depeche(excluding Politics) and myself round out the Top 3.

I thought you were taking a shot at me.. my bad

 

 
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I doubt that many heavy hitters in Vegas prefer to play offshore over a local casino.   But I do agree that some big money going to a window can just be some jackass rich guy on vacation too. 

I enjoy these threads and picks, I follow them, and these threads are entertaining.  But when it comes down to it, I have a rule that I've always stood by and that rule is:

Never blindly follow anyone, and never let someone elses opinion change your side on a game.

That's just my opinion. 
 
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I bet online or 800 number to an offshore, and settle weekly with an agent.............. and the agent  sets the limits.  I bet small these days, but he takes 50 dime bets.  Two years ago he got taken for 75 dimes!  Didn't slow him down either. 
 
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Van.. Just sent you an email.. if you wouldn't mind...

cheers!
 
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van..i dnt know much about matchbook except you bet against other players and matchbook aint the book. to me it seems like a pain in the ass if your looking to bet 20 dimes on a side and u need to find someone in cyber world that wants that type play on dif side. i could be completely wrong.
 
as far as pinnacle or greek, i know that their limits are much less than bookmakers and uwagers and that bodog lately has had hard times paying out.
I also know from uwgaer that if they find u r a sharp, they boot you. wwts didnt boot you before they shut down but they did limit your action to a dime and nickle play.
 
overall, our disagreement is little and one. You dont believe sharps bet in vegas and i know for a fact your wrong on that. Having said that, im not saying that every play i steal from window is sharp action either.
offshore to me was the best place to bet(wwts, uwager, betcris, bowmans) before the law passed and fucked alot of things up for me.
 
 
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Bacc, I enjoy the plays as well as the story behind it. Good luck, I hope you are being honest, I'd like to hear how it all goes for you.

I took the Eagles last night b/c of your thread and liked the Bears all day, does this mean you owe me one?

P.S What are you doing all day while there are no games on?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by baccaratonly:

van..i dnt know much about matchbook except you bet against other players and matchbook aint the book. to me it seems like a pain in the ass if your looking to bet 20 dimes on a side and u need to find someone in cyber world that wants that type play on dif side. i could be completely wrong.
 
You are completely wrong.  It is not a pain in the ass, it is the lowest juice possible most of the time, and there is always big money up there.  Look tonight.  Right now, you can get 7K on either side, and once you bet that another 7K, virtually limitless.
 
as far as pinnacle or greek, i know that their limits are much less than bookmakers and uwagers and that bodog lately has had hard times paying out.
 
Wrong again.  Pinnacle and Greek will take huge bets.  Dont know where you are getting your information.  WTF is "uwagers"?  Bodog?  Forgive me, I just laughed so hard soda came out my nose.
 
I also know from uwgaer that if they find u r a sharp, they boot you. wwts didnt boot you before they shut down but they did limit your action to a dime and nickle play.
 
Once again - WTF is uwager?  I can tell you that Pinnacle and MB boot NOBODY.  NOT ONE.  AND NO LIMITS EITHER.
 
overall, our disagreement is little and one. You dont believe sharps bet in vegas and i know for a fact your wrong on that. Having said that, im not saying that every play i steal from window is sharp action either.
offshore to me was the best place to bet(wwts, uwager, betcris, bowmans) before the law passed and fucked alot of things up for me.
 
GL.  It is my opinion that you are making a classic human error - thinking that your own personal experience is how it is in the real world for everyone.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BIGAL17:

Bacc, I enjoy the plays as well as the story behind it. Good luck, I hope you are being honest, I'd like to hear how it all goes for you.

I took the Eagles last night b/c of your thread and liked the Bears all day, does this mean you owe me one?

P.S What are you doing all day while there are no games on?

You changed your bet because some drunk, broke degenerate hyped up a game with a catch Thread title and bullshit story..

And you want more.............?

WOW

 

 
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Posted: #74
Quote Originally Posted by richardtonsj:

Bac,

Glad you're closed to your goal of getting out of the hole.  I actually never post anything in your thread but I think what you're doing is great and it actually helps out some people here but only those who actually know what's sport betting is all about.  They actually cap their own games first and compare it with the movement along with the info you're passing on.  But there are those who just tail blindly, they win some but they will loose some following your info.  The problem I see is that sometimes, these people, when down for the week, will try desperately to get it back in one game, and if they just blindly tail the info you're passing out, they might loose big in one game and be in a hole similar to the one that you were in.  I think that if you're gonna pass out any info, just do not make it seems like it's a "guaranteed" winner because it might ruin someone's life.

BOL

 

If someone is going to "ruin their life" based on a 1 pick that they received from blindly tailing someone off a gambling based website then they have much bigger problems then just losing that 1 game.

 
 
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There are a ton of sharp players in Las vegas, for instance, when iI was in Vegas in 2002, I was hanging out at the Stardust all the time. I got to know several tellers. Heres my point. It was Thanksgiving week I believe & I walked into the Stardust & the on eteller I knew well told me the most successful bettor in Vegas history had walked in & bet 5 games at his window, 4 college games, 3 of them for $5k the other for $10k & finally an NFL game for $10k.
 
I asked him who this guy was cause I never knew these guys existed or the stories behind them. He said his name was Billy Walters of the Computer Group & they were not allowed to bet on Vegas for 5 years while they were in court vs the government but had recently won the case. I asked him if he could give me the games & he said come back tomorrow cause the sports book manager was around, i said ok.
 
Then that night I read in the paper about who this guy was & what he represented & thought hmmm, interesting, so the next day I went in, the teller handed me the paper with 5 games & I slipped him a c note &told him thanks. I believe that was Wed.
 
I then looked at the paper he gave me & got really excited when i saw he was on the Titans +3 vs the Giants cause that was my best play of the week, anyway, i bet the 1st college game light just to see what would happen, I had $300 on it. Boom, winner, then I bet the 2nd college game for more, another winner, thank goodness they were spread out in times & days, then the 3rd & 4th game heavy, both winners, now this guy has gone 4-0 going into the game i really liked on Sunday, I went nuts on the Titans play & was having a hear attack watching this game but good old Mcnair had been shot up with pain killers all morning brought his team back from behind & won the game SU for us, it was an amazing week!
 
I also seen a chinese lady walk into the Stardust for 6 str8 weeks & bet the Monday night game for $10k & won all 6 times, was she a runner? idk, & I could care less, I just followed her plays until she stopped showing up, boo hoo!
 
Point of the story, use ur head when following these plays & do ur own capping, if they match with ur plays, u feel more confident, I was glad to see Baccarat give that info on the Redskins cause I had a big play on them myself, its just extra confidence, anyway, I rambled off enough, hope everyone makes money this year, good luck! Thanks for the info baccarat, keep it coming!
 
 
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