First of all, 3 years doesn't make a career, and there's no way to know what the future holds in store. I'm sure alot of people in Calgary thought Joe Nieuwendyk was going to score 50+ goals every year and, guess what? The player he got traded for has had a much better career...
Second, a "great" player makes everyone around him better. Patrick Marleau and Jonathan Cheechoo have Joe Thornton. John Leclair and Mikael Renberg had Eric Lindros. How many players benefitted from playing alongside Gretzky, Lemieux, or even Yzerman? Who has Crosby made better? Miroslav Satan? Pascal Dupuis?
I'm not saying he's not an excellent player, but to call him "great" after only 4 seasons is a little ridiculous. He's put up good numbers, just like Yashin, just like Gilmour, just like Eric Staal, but don't put him in the Hall Of Fame just yet, or say things like "He reminds me of Gretzky..."
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First of all, 3 years doesn't make a career, and there's no way to know what the future holds in store. I'm sure alot of people in Calgary thought Joe Nieuwendyk was going to score 50+ goals every year and, guess what? The player he got traded for has had a much better career...
Second, a "great" player makes everyone around him better. Patrick Marleau and Jonathan Cheechoo have Joe Thornton. John Leclair and Mikael Renberg had Eric Lindros. How many players benefitted from playing alongside Gretzky, Lemieux, or even Yzerman? Who has Crosby made better? Miroslav Satan? Pascal Dupuis?
I'm not saying he's not an excellent player, but to call him "great" after only 4 seasons is a little ridiculous. He's put up good numbers, just like Yashin, just like Gilmour, just like Eric Staal, but don't put him in the Hall Of Fame just yet, or say things like "He reminds me of Gretzky..."
Why not say Crosby is great who are the top 3 point leaders Malkin who plays with Crosby. Who Crosby makes a better player out of i think, than Crosby second and Ovechkin 3rd in points! Crosby makes everyone around him better ask any player in the NHL or coach for that matter who would not want Crosby on there team. You are saying Joe Thornton makes players around him better, why hasn't Crosby made guys around his team better. Only 3 years in the leaque and Crosby has been to a Stanley Cup Final already when's the last time Joe Thornton has been to a Stanley Cup Final not once with any team he has been on! Every GM in the NHL would trade for Crosby if he was on the trading block. The year Crosby got drafted the NHL did a lottery like the NBA does and every team that could have got Crosby were praying for the first pick so he could save there franchise if you remember. The Pens got him and he has saved the franchise just talk to Mario or any fan who lives in Pittsburgh. Thats why i am saying that you can't compare Crosby to Gilmour and Yashin because they were good players and good players don't save franchises but great players do like Crosby, Ovechkin!
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Why not say Crosby is great who are the top 3 point leaders Malkin who plays with Crosby. Who Crosby makes a better player out of i think, than Crosby second and Ovechkin 3rd in points! Crosby makes everyone around him better ask any player in the NHL or coach for that matter who would not want Crosby on there team. You are saying Joe Thornton makes players around him better, why hasn't Crosby made guys around his team better. Only 3 years in the leaque and Crosby has been to a Stanley Cup Final already when's the last time Joe Thornton has been to a Stanley Cup Final not once with any team he has been on! Every GM in the NHL would trade for Crosby if he was on the trading block. The year Crosby got drafted the NHL did a lottery like the NBA does and every team that could have got Crosby were praying for the first pick so he could save there franchise if you remember. The Pens got him and he has saved the franchise just talk to Mario or any fan who lives in Pittsburgh. Thats why i am saying that you can't compare Crosby to Gilmour and Yashin because they were good players and good players don't save franchises but great players do like Crosby, Ovechkin!
So? Ryan Whitney's been in the league for three years as well. Does that make him great? And let's not get carried away... Sidney Crosby didn't save the Penguins. Threatening to move to Kansas City, urban redevelopment, and getting a casino license is what saved the Penguins...
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So? Ryan Whitney's been in the league for three years as well. Does that make him great? And let's not get carried away... Sidney Crosby didn't save the Penguins. Threatening to move to Kansas City, urban redevelopment, and getting a casino license is what saved the Penguins...
You have to sell Tickets and have a star player to get a new arena. The casino didnt't save the pens or threatening to move to Kansas City didn't save tem Crosby puts the people in the seats and sells the shirts just like Mario use to do game in and game out. People pay to watch Crosby play not Ryan Whitney.
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You have to sell Tickets and have a star player to get a new arena. The casino didnt't save the pens or threatening to move to Kansas City didn't save tem Crosby puts the people in the seats and sells the shirts just like Mario use to do game in and game out. People pay to watch Crosby play not Ryan Whitney.
let crosby play with green, semin, backstrom, and federov on the PP. Sure crosby has malkin but they rarely see the ice together and when they do they are pretty damn good. Ovechkin is amazing but so are the players around him. Ovechkin gets the credit he deserves but i feel like Crosby gets a lot of shit from fans just because the nhl annointed him before he did anything to deserve it at the nhl level. who cares whos is better. they both make the game more exciting and are the reason why hockey is starting to get more attention these days from the national media.
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let crosby play with green, semin, backstrom, and federov on the PP. Sure crosby has malkin but they rarely see the ice together and when they do they are pretty damn good. Ovechkin is amazing but so are the players around him. Ovechkin gets the credit he deserves but i feel like Crosby gets a lot of shit from fans just because the nhl annointed him before he did anything to deserve it at the nhl level. who cares whos is better. they both make the game more exciting and are the reason why hockey is starting to get more attention these days from the national media.
This thread is lame. There really is no question Ovechkin is the better player. Hes a raw pure sniper. The last guy who was in Ovys league was Bure, but Ovy has the pure package with his size and checking ability. The fact is Crosby for his size/height is amazing, Ovy gets a huge advantage with his body type. Not sure why this thread isnt MALKIN VS OVY. Thats a much more fair comparison.
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This thread is lame. There really is no question Ovechkin is the better player. Hes a raw pure sniper. The last guy who was in Ovys league was Bure, but Ovy has the pure package with his size and checking ability. The fact is Crosby for his size/height is amazing, Ovy gets a huge advantage with his body type. Not sure why this thread isnt MALKIN VS OVY. Thats a much more fair comparison.
Malkin can't top OV or Crosby. A great goal scorer, but hasn't tuned everything else yet. He isn't a smart player. But he'll get better, Geno's the man.
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Malkin can't top OV or Crosby. A great goal scorer, but hasn't tuned everything else yet. He isn't a smart player. But he'll get better, Geno's the man.
well im a ranger fan, i hate both players but you cant compare the two, their styles are completely different, ovechkin is a tough dirty player always hitting and scuffling with people, meanwhile crosby is a big box who avoids conflict at every corner and if you touch him your guaranteed to wind up in the box, the league is so protective of him its not even funny, the other night when the they played eachother ovechkin and crosby were not exactly friendly with eachother and ovechkin was probably gonna fight him but crosby backed off and ovechkin waved him off basically saying go home you little bitch, not only is he more tough/aggressive than crosby he has much better puckhandling, id like to see crosby score a goal sliding on the ice after 3 guys basically raped him on the way to the net like ovechkin has not once but twice.
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well im a ranger fan, i hate both players but you cant compare the two, their styles are completely different, ovechkin is a tough dirty player always hitting and scuffling with people, meanwhile crosby is a big box who avoids conflict at every corner and if you touch him your guaranteed to wind up in the box, the league is so protective of him its not even funny, the other night when the they played eachother ovechkin and crosby were not exactly friendly with eachother and ovechkin was probably gonna fight him but crosby backed off and ovechkin waved him off basically saying go home you little bitch, not only is he more tough/aggressive than crosby he has much better puckhandling, id like to see crosby score a goal sliding on the ice after 3 guys basically raped him on the way to the net like ovechkin has not once but twice.
and you would take them BOTH instead of the sorry ass overpaid bunch of loafing LOSERS currently making the Garden their home. all that $$$ for offense and the Rags are the third WORST scoring team in the league. Henrik Lundqvist should sue their ass for non-support.
too bad for your Rags that there's a salary cap otherwise they could just throw oodles of money around like they did with Jagr (THAT really worked out well)
Oh WAIT, I FORGOT!!! New York is going fucking BROKE because of the Wall Street Weasels wrecking the economy.
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well im a ranger fan, i hate both players
and you would take them BOTH instead of the sorry ass overpaid bunch of loafing LOSERS currently making the Garden their home. all that $$$ for offense and the Rags are the third WORST scoring team in the league. Henrik Lundqvist should sue their ass for non-support.
too bad for your Rags that there's a salary cap otherwise they could just throw oodles of money around like they did with Jagr (THAT really worked out well)
Oh WAIT, I FORGOT!!! New York is going fucking BROKE because of the Wall Street Weasels wrecking the economy.
ovie can and will score goals but he's the type of player that will get lost in the playoffs. he's an individual player, all he cares about is stats, thats why he will never win a stanley cup.
crosby does whine at times but he has all the heart in the world to lead any team he's on very far, he will win stanley cups, world cups, olympic gold (2010). its not just about stats and even if you go on stats alone crosby leads ovechkin in points per game in there careers. crosby 1.36 ppg ovechkin 1.27 ppg.
people need to get off crosby. in 10 years crosby will still be winning scoring titles, ovechkin will be an over paid bum just like most europeans after playing awhile.
crosby= heart, leader, cups and stats
ovechkin=stats,stats,stats,stats,and a comic.
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ovie can and will score goals but he's the type of player that will get lost in the playoffs. he's an individual player, all he cares about is stats, thats why he will never win a stanley cup.
crosby does whine at times but he has all the heart in the world to lead any team he's on very far, he will win stanley cups, world cups, olympic gold (2010). its not just about stats and even if you go on stats alone crosby leads ovechkin in points per game in there careers. crosby 1.36 ppg ovechkin 1.27 ppg.
people need to get off crosby. in 10 years crosby will still be winning scoring titles, ovechkin will be an over paid bum just like most europeans after playing awhile.
Crosby has had over 300 minutes of power play time this season (that's over 5 hours playing with at least a man advantage) and has only found the net 3 times. Throw in the fact that the leagues top scorer is on the ice with him for over 90% of that power play time! For a forward that is ridiculously inept.
I'll take Ovechkin.
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Crosby has had over 300 minutes of power play time this season (that's over 5 hours playing with at least a man advantage) and has only found the net 3 times. Throw in the fact that the leagues top scorer is on the ice with him for over 90% of that power play time! For a forward that is ridiculously inept.
add the fact that theyve missed there qb on defense that whole time pretty much. and you forget that ovie has the best scoring d-man and has 2 awesome forwards awell. crosby has 1 good player.
ovie has almost 400 shots and only has 44 goals, for great goal scorer, shouldnt he have about 60 goals the way some of you go on about him. shit crosby should just shoot more and forget about his teamates and he would have 46 goals if you double his shots. but thats where the 2 are different, crosby gets his team involved, i guess thats why they made it to the finals last year.
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add the fact that theyve missed there qb on defense that whole time pretty much. and you forget that ovie has the best scoring d-man and has 2 awesome forwards awell. crosby has 1 good player.
ovie has almost 400 shots and only has 44 goals, for great goal scorer, shouldnt he have about 60 goals the way some of you go on about him. shit crosby should just shoot more and forget about his teamates and he would have 46 goals if you double his shots. but thats where the 2 are different, crosby gets his team involved, i guess thats why they made it to the finals last year.
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