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Posted: Oct. 10, 2007 - 3:09 PM ET #51

-2.5 and -6.5 spreads.

can anyone get us some feedback.

basically baiting  the player to take the -2.5 (all you need to cover is a fg )  or the -6.5 (all you need is a td)

ive b een trying to find info all season can anyone help us out...

 its 3-0 last 2 weeks i tried  ncaa-fb

anyone got any info on this ... this might be a breakthrough trend???

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-2.5 and -6.5 spreads.

can anyone get us some feedback.

basically baiting  the player to take the -2.5 (all you need to cover is a fg )  or the -6.5 (all you need is a td)

ive b een trying to find info all season can anyone help us out...

 its 3-0 last 2 weeks i tried  ncaa-fb

anyone got any info on this ... this might be a breakthrough trend???

 
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Posted: Oct. 10, 2007 - 3:39 PM ET #52

Quote Originally Posted by georgelj123:

-2.5 and -6.5 spreads.

can anyone get us some feedback.

basically baiting  the player to take the -2.5 (all you need to cover is a fg )  or the -6.5 (all you need is a td)

ive b een trying to find info all season can anyone help us out...

 its 3-0 last 2 weeks i tried  ncaa-fb

anyone got any info on this ... this might be a breakthrough trend???

George, read my post at wagerline  on the 1/2 point theory.

Roberto you always have good info in your threads.

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Quote Originally Posted by georgelj123:

-2.5 and -6.5 spreads.

can anyone get us some feedback.

basically baiting  the player to take the -2.5 (all you need to cover is a fg )  or the -6.5 (all you need is a td)

ive b een trying to find info all season can anyone help us out...

 its 3-0 last 2 weeks i tried  ncaa-fb

anyone got any info on this ... this might be a breakthrough trend???

George, read my post at wagerline  on the 1/2 point theory.

Roberto you always have good info in your threads.

 
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Posted: Oct. 10, 2007 - 3:46 PM ET #53

i cant fint it  can you send a link or sumthin im lookin here.
https://wagerline.com/postingforum/search.aspx
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i cant fint it  can you send a link or sumthin im lookin here.
https://wagerline.com/postingforum/search.aspx
 
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Posted: Oct. 10, 2007 - 3:56 PM ET #54

George it is linked.  Click on the word wagerline in my previous post.  It will take you there.
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George it is linked.  Click on the word wagerline in my previous post.  It will take you there.
 
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Posted: Oct. 10, 2007 - 7:33 PM ET #55

 Always great stuff...
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 Always great stuff...
 
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Posted: Oct. 10, 2007 - 8:12 PM ET #56

Just watching Ari and Car play this year, it just seems that both coaches just want to keep it close going into the forth quater with a chance to win. These two teams have very similar rosters. I know Carolina is flying across the country but what would make the oddsmakers set this game above 3? I see this game as a field goal game either way so why not take the 4. This is by no means an unload game b/c like I said the final score should be around the number but you gotta like the points don't you?
 
My question is this, can anyone see why they would set this line above 3? I could see -3-120 or something but I can't figure out how this game is above 3 when most lines gravitate towards that number in the NFL.
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Just watching Ari and Car play this year, it just seems that both coaches just want to keep it close going into the forth quater with a chance to win. These two teams have very similar rosters. I know Carolina is flying across the country but what would make the oddsmakers set this game above 3? I see this game as a field goal game either way so why not take the 4. This is by no means an unload game b/c like I said the final score should be around the number but you gotta like the points don't you?
 
My question is this, can anyone see why they would set this line above 3? I could see -3-120 or something but I can't figure out how this game is above 3 when most lines gravitate towards that number in the NFL.
 
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Posted: Oct. 10, 2007 - 8:36 PM ET #57

Hey RF are there any trends that go by board.. meaning there are
 
no games with point spread under 3 but 5 that open 3 to 3.5 hmm
 
According to the ATS push chart that you provided does this
 
benefit the player or house. Only week that I noticed that was
 
similar was week 3 where out of 8 games played 5 underdog 1 fav
 
2 push. Maybe dogs and the over this week any thoughts.
 
 
 
 
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Hey RF are there any trends that go by board.. meaning there are
 
no games with point spread under 3 but 5 that open 3 to 3.5 hmm
 
According to the ATS push chart that you provided does this
 
benefit the player or house. Only week that I noticed that was
 
similar was week 3 where out of 8 games played 5 underdog 1 fav
 
2 push. Maybe dogs and the over this week any thoughts.
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted: Oct. 10, 2007 - 10:37 PM ET #58

Quote Originally Posted by theone2turn2:

Roberto's Trend thread is really suttin.  Chiefs getting points at home is a good trend...suttin like 16-5-1.



chiefs getting points at home. that should be suttin
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Quote Originally Posted by theone2turn2:

Roberto's Trend thread is really suttin.  Chiefs getting points at home is a good trend...suttin like 16-5-1.



chiefs getting points at home. that should be suttin
 
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Posted: Oct. 10, 2007 - 11:40 PM ET #59

Hey Robert are these the sucker bets for this week
 

Cin 85 % of bets therefore take KC

Clev 80% of bets therefore take Mia

Tenn 76 % of bets therefore take TB

NE 87%  of bets therefore take Dallas

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Hey Robert are these the sucker bets for this week
 

Cin 85 % of bets therefore take KC

Clev 80% of bets therefore take Mia

Tenn 76 % of bets therefore take TB

NE 87%  of bets therefore take Dallas

 
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Posted: Oct. 11, 2007 - 3:24 AM ET #60

Not ready to share my undefeated trend with the public yet, but heres some nice trends that should lean you towards KC.
 

OUT OF 8 GAMES CIN VS KC

KC was home 6/8 times and went 5-3 ATS

KC was favored the last 4 times they played and only covered once out of 4

*all ATS losses were when KC was favored

*KC as a dog is 4-0 ATS vs CIN

KC won 2 times SU as a dog

KC is 4-2 SU when at home and 4-2 ATS

 

THE UNDERDOG is 7-1 ATS in Cin vs Kan

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Not ready to share my undefeated trend with the public yet, but heres some nice trends that should lean you towards KC.
 

OUT OF 8 GAMES CIN VS KC

KC was home 6/8 times and went 5-3 ATS

KC was favored the last 4 times they played and only covered once out of 4

*all ATS losses were when KC was favored

*KC as a dog is 4-0 ATS vs CIN

KC won 2 times SU as a dog

KC is 4-2 SU when at home and 4-2 ATS

 

THE UNDERDOG is 7-1 ATS in Cin vs Kan

 
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Posted: Oct. 11, 2007 - 4:12 AM ET #61

Quote Originally Posted by theone2turn2:

Roberto's Trend thread is really suttin.  Chiefs getting points at home is a good trend...suttin like 16-5-1.

I hope RF doesn't feel that I'm cluttering his thread, however, in the interest of being factual, and since there is so much KC/CIN discussion, I'd love to know where you are getting this number.  You should be careful about the info you give out since so many people are following this.

Unless I hit my head recently, I have KC playing as a Home Dog 19 times over the past decade, not including this season.  Results:  SU/ATAS

'06-'07:  +6 vs. San Diego W/W

'05-'06:  +1 vs. Denver W/W

'04-'05:  +3 vs. Denver W/W, +3 vs. NE L/L, +1.5 vs. Indy W/W

'02-'03:  +3 vs. Oakland W/W, +3 vs. Denver L/P, +3 vs. Mia W/W

'01-'02:  +3 vs. Phi L/L, +3 vs. Indy L/L, +1 vs. NYG L/L, +3 vs. Oak L/P

'00-'01:  +3 vs. Denver W/W, +7 vs. STL W/W, +3 vs. Indy L/L

'99-'00:  +4 vs. Denver W/W

'98-'99:  +4 vs. Denver L/L

'97-'98:  +3 vs. SF W/W, +4 vs. Denver W/W

Totals:  11-8 SU, 11-6-2 ATS. 

I apologize for my initial miscalculation however I want to be clear that while I'm not disputing a possible good play, KC is not as dominant as depicted as a Home Dog.

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Quote Originally Posted by theone2turn2:

Roberto's Trend thread is really suttin.  Chiefs getting points at home is a good trend...suttin like 16-5-1.

I hope RF doesn't feel that I'm cluttering his thread, however, in the interest of being factual, and since there is so much KC/CIN discussion, I'd love to know where you are getting this number.  You should be careful about the info you give out since so many people are following this.

Unless I hit my head recently, I have KC playing as a Home Dog 19 times over the past decade, not including this season.  Results:  SU/ATAS

'06-'07:  +6 vs. San Diego W/W

'05-'06:  +1 vs. Denver W/W

'04-'05:  +3 vs. Denver W/W, +3 vs. NE L/L, +1.5 vs. Indy W/W

'02-'03:  +3 vs. Oakland W/W, +3 vs. Denver L/P, +3 vs. Mia W/W

'01-'02:  +3 vs. Phi L/L, +3 vs. Indy L/L, +1 vs. NYG L/L, +3 vs. Oak L/P

'00-'01:  +3 vs. Denver W/W, +7 vs. STL W/W, +3 vs. Indy L/L

'99-'00:  +4 vs. Denver W/W

'98-'99:  +4 vs. Denver L/L

'97-'98:  +3 vs. SF W/W, +4 vs. Denver W/W

Totals:  11-8 SU, 11-6-2 ATS. 

I apologize for my initial miscalculation however I want to be clear that while I'm not disputing a possible good play, KC is not as dominant as depicted as a Home Dog.

 
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Here is an interesting angle >>>>
 
 
Week Six

"Contrarian Consensus"

There are two primary 'contrarian' indicators at TMW: Turnover Difference and "Contrarian Bridgejumping" (or as it is now know CSM for cumulative spread margin). While both of these are potent handicapping tools, when they each point to the same team in a game you have what we refer to as a contrarian consensus play.

Turnover Difference

Away
Line
Home
Net
INT
Net
FUM
Net
T/O
INT
Pick
FUM
Pick
T/O
Pick
New Orleans
-7
Seattle
-8
-5
-13
NO
NO
NO

Contrarian Bridgejumping

Away
CSM
Away Team
Line
(Home)
Home Team
Home
CSM
Pick
CSM Diff
-18.3
New Orleans
-7
Seattle
1.1
New Orleans
-19.4


Analysis: New Orleans is winless (some might say hopeless) but turnovers have a lot to do with the record so far. In addition they have been getting pummeled against the spread, losing by over eighteen spread points a game! Getting the nod from both contrarian indicators suggests that, along with the classic 'bet winless teams from week five on' angle, there may be reason to think this game will be close.

Favor: New Orleans +7

from twominutewarning ....

Does anyone find any other reasons I should reconsider them as an Underdog Trend Pick ..? .( given that I eliminated them )

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Here is an interesting angle >>>>
 
 
Week Six

"Contrarian Consensus"

There are two primary 'contrarian' indicators at TMW: Turnover Difference and "Contrarian Bridgejumping" (or as it is now know CSM for cumulative spread margin). While both of these are potent handicapping tools, when they each point to the same team in a game you have what we refer to as a contrarian consensus play.

Turnover Difference

Away
Line
Home
Net
INT
Net
FUM
Net
T/O
INT
Pick
FUM
Pick
T/O
Pick
New Orleans
-7
Seattle
-8
-5
-13
NO
NO
NO

Contrarian Bridgejumping

Away
CSM
Away Team
Line
(Home)
Home Team
Home
CSM
Pick
CSM Diff
-18.3
New Orleans
-7
Seattle
1.1
New Orleans
-19.4


Analysis: New Orleans is winless (some might say hopeless) but turnovers have a lot to do with the record so far. In addition they have been getting pummeled against the spread, losing by over eighteen spread points a game! Getting the nod from both contrarian indicators suggests that, along with the classic 'bet winless teams from week five on' angle, there may be reason to think this game will be close.

Favor: New Orleans +7

from twominutewarning ....

Does anyone find any other reasons I should reconsider them as an Underdog Trend Pick ..? .( given that I eliminated them )

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Quote Originally Posted by RobertoFiory:

 

Does anyone find any other reasons I should reconsider them as an Underdog Trend Pick ..? .( given that I eliminated them )

Yes.  How about the fact that Seattle is 9-1 ATS last 10 against NO?  This includes winning 5 in a row both SU and ATS since 2000.  Their smallest margin of victory over those 5 wins......10 POINTS! 

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Does anyone find any other reasons I should reconsider them as an Underdog Trend Pick ..? .( given that I eliminated them )

Yes.  How about the fact that Seattle is 9-1 ATS last 10 against NO?  This includes winning 5 in a row both SU and ATS since 2000.  Their smallest margin of victory over those 5 wins......10 POINTS! 

 
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Roberto: Is there any trends for a team that is favored by the public 70+% and in the same game an OVER/UNDER that is favored by 70+%... this could cause a glitch in my perfect trend
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Roberto: Is there any trends for a team that is favored by the public 70+% and in the same game an OVER/UNDER that is favored by 70+%... this could cause a glitch in my perfect trend
 
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Check the starting QB before you take Carolina, it may be Vinnie.  Carr has not practiced (unless he practiced today) due to a sore back.
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Check the starting QB before you take Carolina, it may be Vinnie.  Carr has not practiced (unless he practiced today) due to a sore back.
 
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I think putting too much stock into trends alone is a mistake...
ex. looking at trends in the NO/SEA series since 2000, of course SEA > NO, look how strong SEA used to be and how weak NO used to be, these are different teams, trends matter, but only so much
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I think putting too much stock into trends alone is a mistake...
ex. looking at trends in the NO/SEA series since 2000, of course SEA > NO, look how strong SEA used to be and how weak NO used to be, these are different teams, trends matter, but only so much
 
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Quote Originally Posted by DiscoD69:

I think putting too much stock into trends alone is a mistake...
ex. looking at trends in the NO/SEA series since 2000, of course SEA > NO, look how strong SEA used to be and how weak NO used to be, these are different teams, trends matter, but only so much

That's the beauty of it.  RF has have it repeatedly clear that he's not trying to cap these games, but that he is just looking for trends/patterns.  Incredibly, it has been almost perfect this season, and is at least worth tracking even if you don't necessarily play the games. 

This is one of the only threads I follow religiously, and I appreciate the opportunity to contribute.

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I think putting too much stock into trends alone is a mistake...
ex. looking at trends in the NO/SEA series since 2000, of course SEA > NO, look how strong SEA used to be and how weak NO used to be, these are different teams, trends matter, but only so much

That's the beauty of it.  RF has have it repeatedly clear that he's not trying to cap these games, but that he is just looking for trends/patterns.  Incredibly, it has been almost perfect this season, and is at least worth tracking even if you don't necessarily play the games. 

This is one of the only threads I follow religiously, and I appreciate the opportunity to contribute.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by TrojanStealth:

Yes.  How about the fact that Seattle is 9-1 ATS last 10 against NO?  This includes winning 5 in a row both SU and ATS since 2000.  Their smallest margin of victory over those 5 wins......10 POINTS! 

Hmmm . . . those aren't the numbers I'm picking up at the rx.  But, the rx could be incorrect.

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Yes.  How about the fact that Seattle is 9-1 ATS last 10 against NO?  This includes winning 5 in a row both SU and ATS since 2000.  Their smallest margin of victory over those 5 wins......10 POINTS! 

Hmmm . . . those aren't the numbers I'm picking up at the rx.  But, the rx could be incorrect.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1111:

Hmmm . . . those aren't the numbers I'm picking up at the rx.  But, the rx could be incorrect.

Date Away/Home Line
08/12/05 SEA 34 - NO 15 SEA 3.5  
09/12/04 SEA 21 - NO 7 SEA -2.5
09/07/03 NO 10 - SEA 27 SEA -3
09/01/01 NO 14 - SEA 28 SEA -3.5
09/17/00 NO 10 - SEA 20 SEA -5.5
11/16/97 SEA 17 - NO 20 x NO 6
09/01/91 SEA 24 - NO 27 SEA 4
10/16/88 NO 20 - SEA 19 NO 2.5
11/10/85 SEA 27 - NO 3 SEA -6.5

I will note the pre-season was included in these games. 

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Hmmm . . . those aren't the numbers I'm picking up at the rx.  But, the rx could be incorrect.

Date Away/Home Line
08/12/05 SEA 34 - NO 15 SEA 3.5  
09/12/04 SEA 21 - NO 7 SEA -2.5
09/07/03 NO 10 - SEA 27 SEA -3
09/01/01 NO 14 - SEA 28 SEA -3.5
09/17/00 NO 10 - SEA 20 SEA -5.5
11/16/97 SEA 17 - NO 20 x NO 6
09/01/91 SEA 24 - NO 27 SEA 4
10/16/88 NO 20 - SEA 19 NO 2.5
11/10/85 SEA 27 - NO 3 SEA -6.5

I will note the pre-season was included in these games. 

 
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I got TEN and NE already, and am looking at some others.
Great info.  I do alot of research, and sometimes go with my gut too much, but I love the stats! 
 
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I got TEN and NE already, and am looking at some others.
Great info.  I do alot of research, and sometimes go with my gut too much, but I love the stats! 
 
GL all
 
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Rookie bookie, I guess you don't belive in karma.

Just like last week, everyone liked Arizona, because  St Louis was starting  Gus Ferrote, this week I'm taking Carolina, to cover @ the cards.
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Rookie bookie, I guess you don't belive in karma.

Just like last week, everyone liked Arizona, because  St Louis was starting  Gus Ferrote, this week I'm taking Carolina, to cover @ the cards.
 
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xanthax... What are you refering to me not believing in Karma about?   
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Ok ...Time to get back on track ....
I have some trends , stats, and system plays to share with you ....
in no particular order ...for now..
 
I will get back to the Underdog Trend pick later ....
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Play against an NFL RF coming off a Home win SU by 11 points or more ....
 
2 teams qualify for this fade that is 259-190-11 ATS
 ( 57.7 % ) since 1985
and went 16-2-1 ATS last season ...!
 
New England Patriots
New York Giants
 
Therefore the plays would be on
 
Dallas
Atlanta
 
I have not verified these numbers , but if someone wants to verify last year's numbers for this system play , be my guest ....!
 
 
 
 
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Ok ...Time to get back on track ....
I have some trends , stats, and system plays to share with you ....
in no particular order ...for now..
 
I will get back to the Underdog Trend pick later ....
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Play against an NFL RF coming off a Home win SU by 11 points or more ....
 
2 teams qualify for this fade that is 259-190-11 ATS
 ( 57.7 % ) since 1985
and went 16-2-1 ATS last season ...!
 
New England Patriots
New York Giants
 
Therefore the plays would be on
 
Dallas
Atlanta
 
I have not verified these numbers , but if someone wants to verify last year's numbers for this system play , be my guest ....!
 
 
 
 
 
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SU RESULT H LINE ATS RESULT O/U O/U RESULT

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SU RESULT H LINE ATS RESULT O/U O/U RESULT

 
 
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What mess.  I was trying copy a table from the rx.  I must be doing something wrong.
 
 
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What mess.  I was trying copy a table from the rx.  I must be doing something wrong.
 
 
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