I just think that this is the norm (the mistakes). They don't have a ton of talent on the offensive side of the ball. Yeah, Cutler is a good QB, but he just makes too many bad decisions. It almost seems that he doesn't have that "winner attitude" like Big Ben, Eli, Peyton, Brady, and Favre-0 do. Like I have been saying before the season starts... This offensive line is not good and your defense isn't like it WAS 3 years ago. Omeyele is horrible (they should bring back Beekman at least), Kruetz is declining, Pace is damaged goods, Williams is still a WIP, and Garza is avg. This is relected in your poor running game too. Forte is not the Forte of last year. The Bears have become a passing team now and they just don't have the artillary to be successful at it, especially during the months of November/December.
Watch out for the Packers too. If they shore up that O line, they are ridiculous on offense (because they are built for it.
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I just think that this is the norm (the mistakes). They don't have a ton of talent on the offensive side of the ball. Yeah, Cutler is a good QB, but he just makes too many bad decisions. It almost seems that he doesn't have that "winner attitude" like Big Ben, Eli, Peyton, Brady, and Favre-0 do. Like I have been saying before the season starts... This offensive line is not good and your defense isn't like it WAS 3 years ago. Omeyele is horrible (they should bring back Beekman at least), Kruetz is declining, Pace is damaged goods, Williams is still a WIP, and Garza is avg. This is relected in your poor running game too. Forte is not the Forte of last year. The Bears have become a passing team now and they just don't have the artillary to be successful at it, especially during the months of November/December.
Watch out for the Packers too. If they shore up that O line, they are ridiculous on offense (because they are built for it.
The only Stat that is important to a QB is his winning %.
And BY the looks of it, Denver got rid of a loser and found a winner.
Now Orton does not have Cutler's arm, or mouth, but he has something Cutler doesn't, an NFL winning % as opposed to a losing %.
So, for all the talk Orton sucks, he has won more games and has a higher winning % and for QB's that is all that matters.
Is is true that winning % is one of the most important stats but it also depends on the system. Denvers defense is better than its ever been. Orton makes smart choices and takes less risks while Cutler has the big arm and can make all the throws but takes more risks. If you are saying who would you rather have on the Broncos then Yes Orton fits their system. If you were to ask who would you start a franchise with I would say Cutler easily.
Remember Jay fielder had a pretty good win % but he never won games on his own. He had a stout defense and a solid running game
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Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:
Jay Cutler 17-20 Career Record
Kyle Orton 21-12 Career Record
The only Stat that is important to a QB is his winning %.
And BY the looks of it, Denver got rid of a loser and found a winner.
Now Orton does not have Cutler's arm, or mouth, but he has something Cutler doesn't, an NFL winning % as opposed to a losing %.
So, for all the talk Orton sucks, he has won more games and has a higher winning % and for QB's that is all that matters.
Is is true that winning % is one of the most important stats but it also depends on the system. Denvers defense is better than its ever been. Orton makes smart choices and takes less risks while Cutler has the big arm and can make all the throws but takes more risks. If you are saying who would you rather have on the Broncos then Yes Orton fits their system. If you were to ask who would you start a franchise with I would say Cutler easily.
Remember Jay fielder had a pretty good win % but he never won games on his own. He had a stout defense and a solid running game
The only Stat that is important to a QB is his winning %.
And BY the looks of it, Denver got rid of a loser and found a winner.
Now Orton does not have Cutler's arm, or mouth, but he has something Cutler doesn't, an NFL winning % as opposed to a losing %.
So, for all the talk Orton sucks, he has won more games and has a higher winning % and for QB's that is all that matters.
Is is true that winning % is one of the most important stats but it also depends on the system. Denvers defense is better than its ever been. Orton makes smart choices and takes less risks while Cutler has the big arm and can make all the throws but takes more risks. If you are saying who would you rather have on the Broncos then Yes Orton fits their system. If you were to ask who would you start a franchise with I would say Cutler easily.
Remember Jay fielder had a pretty good win % but he never won games on his own. He had a stout defense and a solid running game
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Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:
Jay Cutler 17-20 Career Record
Kyle Orton 21-12 Career Record
The only Stat that is important to a QB is his winning %.
And BY the looks of it, Denver got rid of a loser and found a winner.
Now Orton does not have Cutler's arm, or mouth, but he has something Cutler doesn't, an NFL winning % as opposed to a losing %.
So, for all the talk Orton sucks, he has won more games and has a higher winning % and for QB's that is all that matters.
Is is true that winning % is one of the most important stats but it also depends on the system. Denvers defense is better than its ever been. Orton makes smart choices and takes less risks while Cutler has the big arm and can make all the throws but takes more risks. If you are saying who would you rather have on the Broncos then Yes Orton fits their system. If you were to ask who would you start a franchise with I would say Cutler easily.
Remember Jay fielder had a pretty good win % but he never won games on his own. He had a stout defense and a solid running game
Let me guess now Cutler lovers, he just has bad luck with the teams he is on. The guy is very talented but he just does not get it done, end of story. Ever since Denver blew that game last year against the Chargers, only for him to with the game on the line just whiff with the ball in his hands. Luckily for him Ed Hochuili decided it was an incomplete pass and not choking the game away.
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Let me guess now Cutler lovers, he just has bad luck with the teams he is on. The guy is very talented but he just does not get it done, end of story. Ever since Denver blew that game last year against the Chargers, only for him to with the game on the line just whiff with the ball in his hands. Luckily for him Ed Hochuili decided it was an incomplete pass and not choking the game away.
Put Orton on the Rams and they still would be 1-7, so why the fuck does the record matter? The Broncos record is where it is because of the DEF not Kyle Orton. You saw what Kyle Orton did when he was down against the Ravens.
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Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:
Jay Cutler 4-4
Kyle Orton 6-1...pending MNF
Put Orton on the Rams and they still would be 1-7, so why the fuck does the record matter? The Broncos record is where it is because of the DEF not Kyle Orton. You saw what Kyle Orton did when he was down against the Ravens.
Put Orton on the Rams and they still would be 1-7, so why the fuck does the record matter? The Broncos record is where it is because of the DEF not Kyle Orton. You saw what Kyle Orton did when he was down against the Ravens.
Serb, you are a retard. Kiss the baby son. Record matters the MOST in the NFL. Denver is my team, Jay Cutler is a cry baby box. So what, they lost a ROAD game, big deal, no one thought they would win 6 games at all this year. YEah, when your QB doesn't throw a pick all year except a garbage hail mary, they have nothing to do with winning! you are a tool who obviously doesn't know much about football except peyton mannings sack!
your team sure got lucky this week. I can't wait to pound NE ml like I pounded my wife last night. Going to be fun watching Moss and Welker run all over that weak secondary.
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:
Put Orton on the Rams and they still would be 1-7, so why the fuck does the record matter? The Broncos record is where it is because of the DEF not Kyle Orton. You saw what Kyle Orton did when he was down against the Ravens.
Serb, you are a retard. Kiss the baby son. Record matters the MOST in the NFL. Denver is my team, Jay Cutler is a cry baby box. So what, they lost a ROAD game, big deal, no one thought they would win 6 games at all this year. YEah, when your QB doesn't throw a pick all year except a garbage hail mary, they have nothing to do with winning! you are a tool who obviously doesn't know much about football except peyton mannings sack!
your team sure got lucky this week. I can't wait to pound NE ml like I pounded my wife last night. Going to be fun watching Moss and Welker run all over that weak secondary.
Are you serious? I will bet you any amount of money that Cutler has a better winning % this year....
Just name the amount...
still want to make that bet.I didnt watch cutler that much last season but after 7 games i am not impressed one bit with this kid..The Chicago fans blame th eoffensive line for all his picks..The only thing this guy can do for the bears is bitch and moan enough to make them get him some good players in the years to come..I do think he will do that part.
Orton is a good game manager and usually has a chance at the end of the 4th quarter to either win the game or lose..He is always one play away in th end..
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Quote Originally Posted by talent888:
Are you serious? I will bet you any amount of money that Cutler has a better winning % this year....
Just name the amount...
still want to make that bet.I didnt watch cutler that much last season but after 7 games i am not impressed one bit with this kid..The Chicago fans blame th eoffensive line for all his picks..The only thing this guy can do for the bears is bitch and moan enough to make them get him some good players in the years to come..I do think he will do that part.
Orton is a good game manager and usually has a chance at the end of the 4th quarter to either win the game or lose..He is always one play away in th end..
Serb, you are a retard. Kiss the baby son. Record matters the MOST in the NFL. Denver is my team, Jay Cutler is a cry baby box. So what, they lost a ROAD game, big deal, no one thought they would win 6 games at all this year. YEah, when your QB doesn't throw a pick all year except a garbage hail mary, they have nothing to do with winning! you are a tool who obviously doesn't know much about football except peyton mannings sack!
your team sure got lucky this week. I can't wait to pound NE ml like I pounded my wife last night. Going to be fun watching Moss and Welker run all over that weak secondary.
Wow man you're fucking clueless. You just can't re frame yourself from shelling out personal disses, people tend to do this when they know they're wrong. You're basically saying that the QB position is the only reason why a teams record is where it is. There is the DEF, OFF and Special Teams, you could have the best QB in the world but if he doesnt have an O-Line, Wrs, Defence or Special Teams, he may be able get you a couple of wins but will not win you any hardware, just look at Archie Manning as an example.
How the fuck did Indy get lucky this week? They were down by 3 and came back to win? It's funny because you wouldnt even admit that the Broncos got lucky vs the Bengals.
Peyton Mannings sack? I am not the one who fucking says Peyton is the only reason why the Colts are 8-0, the Defence is playing expetionally and the young recievers are really stepping up, and of course Peyton is doing his thing but it takes a team effort to have an 8-0 record.
You contradict yourself almost every sentence and it's due to your homerness of the Broncos.
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Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:
Serb, you are a retard. Kiss the baby son. Record matters the MOST in the NFL. Denver is my team, Jay Cutler is a cry baby box. So what, they lost a ROAD game, big deal, no one thought they would win 6 games at all this year. YEah, when your QB doesn't throw a pick all year except a garbage hail mary, they have nothing to do with winning! you are a tool who obviously doesn't know much about football except peyton mannings sack!
your team sure got lucky this week. I can't wait to pound NE ml like I pounded my wife last night. Going to be fun watching Moss and Welker run all over that weak secondary.
Wow man you're fucking clueless. You just can't re frame yourself from shelling out personal disses, people tend to do this when they know they're wrong. You're basically saying that the QB position is the only reason why a teams record is where it is. There is the DEF, OFF and Special Teams, you could have the best QB in the world but if he doesnt have an O-Line, Wrs, Defence or Special Teams, he may be able get you a couple of wins but will not win you any hardware, just look at Archie Manning as an example.
How the fuck did Indy get lucky this week? They were down by 3 and came back to win? It's funny because you wouldnt even admit that the Broncos got lucky vs the Bengals.
Peyton Mannings sack? I am not the one who fucking says Peyton is the only reason why the Colts are 8-0, the Defence is playing expetionally and the young recievers are really stepping up, and of course Peyton is doing his thing but it takes a team effort to have an 8-0 record.
You contradict yourself almost every sentence and it's due to your homerness of the Broncos.
Wow man you're fucking clueless. You just can't re frame yourself from shelling out personal disses, people tend to do this when they know they're wrong. You're basically saying that the QB position is the only reason why a teams record is where it is. There is the DEF, OFF and Special Teams, you could have the best QB in the world but if he doesnt have an O-Line, Wrs, Defence or Special Teams, he may be able get you a couple of wins but will not win you any hardware, just look at Archie Manning as an example.
How the fuck did Indy get lucky this week? They were down by 3 and came back to win? It's funny because you wouldnt even admit that the Broncos got lucky vs the Bengals.
Peyton Mannings sack? I am not the one who fucking says Peyton is the only reason why the Colts are 8-0, the Defence is playing expetionally and the young recievers are really stepping up, and of course Peyton is doing his thing but it takes a team effort to have an 8-0 record.
You contradict yourself almost every sentence and it's due to your homerness of the Broncos.
Peyton Manning-No D, WIns game by himself
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:
Wow man you're fucking clueless. You just can't re frame yourself from shelling out personal disses, people tend to do this when they know they're wrong. You're basically saying that the QB position is the only reason why a teams record is where it is. There is the DEF, OFF and Special Teams, you could have the best QB in the world but if he doesnt have an O-Line, Wrs, Defence or Special Teams, he may be able get you a couple of wins but will not win you any hardware, just look at Archie Manning as an example.
How the fuck did Indy get lucky this week? They were down by 3 and came back to win? It's funny because you wouldnt even admit that the Broncos got lucky vs the Bengals.
Peyton Mannings sack? I am not the one who fucking says Peyton is the only reason why the Colts are 8-0, the Defence is playing expetionally and the young recievers are really stepping up, and of course Peyton is doing his thing but it takes a team effort to have an 8-0 record.
You contradict yourself almost every sentence and it's due to your homerness of the Broncos.
if you put peyton on the bears would there record be any different?? would he suddenly make the defense not give up 34 points? peyton manning might be the best QB ever. but if you put him on the rams there still not going to win more than 2-3 games. It all come down to your teamates. Urlacher goes down and the defense has not been the same since. Now Cutler is on the same team as last year basically a team with 0 defense except the only difference is in Denver on offense he has big time players and a good offense. Bottom line is cutler has no1 to throw the ball too. if you can sit there and tell me devon fuckin hester is a number 1 receiver ur smoking crack. He wouldnt start at wide out for a lot of teams. Get off cutlers back for the love of god hes a good QB and will be for a long time
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if you put peyton on the bears would there record be any different?? would he suddenly make the defense not give up 34 points? peyton manning might be the best QB ever. but if you put him on the rams there still not going to win more than 2-3 games. It all come down to your teamates. Urlacher goes down and the defense has not been the same since. Now Cutler is on the same team as last year basically a team with 0 defense except the only difference is in Denver on offense he has big time players and a good offense. Bottom line is cutler has no1 to throw the ball too. if you can sit there and tell me devon fuckin hester is a number 1 receiver ur smoking crack. He wouldnt start at wide out for a lot of teams. Get off cutlers back for the love of god hes a good QB and will be for a long time
how did they get lucky, i guess you didn't watch the game huh? Texans had like 20 penalties, missed fg at the end of reg and the fumble with 2 mins to go at half. yes, they got lucky and spoiled my ml bet, but + the points cashed easily.
answer me this SERB, when a team wins or loses, who gets credit?
you are a fool SERB, QB is the most important position on the field. It might not be throwing for 400 years, but NOT TURNING THE BALL OVER IS PARAMOUNT IN WINNING IN THE NFL.
its okay Serb, we know you are still in High School.
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how did they get lucky, i guess you didn't watch the game huh? Texans had like 20 penalties, missed fg at the end of reg and the fumble with 2 mins to go at half. yes, they got lucky and spoiled my ml bet, but + the points cashed easily.
answer me this SERB, when a team wins or loses, who gets credit?
you are a fool SERB, QB is the most important position on the field. It might not be throwing for 400 years, but NOT TURNING THE BALL OVER IS PARAMOUNT IN WINNING IN THE NFL.
its okay Serb, we know you are still in High School.
WTF are you talking about? I am a die hard Colts fan and I watch every single game and the Colts Def is playing exceptionally. The Colts have let up the least amount of points and they suck? Do you watch the games? Seriously!
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Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:
Peyton Manning-No D, WIns game by himself
WTF are you talking about? I am a die hard Colts fan and I watch every single game and the Colts Def is playing exceptionally. The Colts have let up the least amount of points and they suck? Do you watch the games? Seriously!
if you put peyton on the bears would there record be any different?? would he suddenly make the defense not give up 34 points? peyton manning might be the best QB ever. but if you put him on the rams there still not going to win more than 2-3 games. It all come down to your teamates. Urlacher goes down and the defense has not been the same since. Now Cutler is on the same team as last year basically a team with 0 defense except the only difference is in Denver on offense he has big time players and a good offense. Bottom line is cutler has no1 to throw the ball too. if you can sit there and tell me devon fuckin hester is a number 1 receiver ur smoking crack. He wouldnt start at wide out for a lot of teams. Get off cutlers back for the love of god hes a good QB and will be for a long time
so without Peyton Manning yesterday, do the COlts win? how about in Miami? SO YEs, QB's Make the diference in the NFL. It is all about decisions, not raw talent. and yes, it is a team sport, but fuck, no love for oeton because Denver stole him along with a couple a picks.
And all those Bear homers at the beginning of this thread, where you at now?
Why can't cutler just take a sack instead of turning it over?
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Quote Originally Posted by pickenwinners:
if you put peyton on the bears would there record be any different?? would he suddenly make the defense not give up 34 points? peyton manning might be the best QB ever. but if you put him on the rams there still not going to win more than 2-3 games. It all come down to your teamates. Urlacher goes down and the defense has not been the same since. Now Cutler is on the same team as last year basically a team with 0 defense except the only difference is in Denver on offense he has big time players and a good offense. Bottom line is cutler has no1 to throw the ball too. if you can sit there and tell me devon fuckin hester is a number 1 receiver ur smoking crack. He wouldnt start at wide out for a lot of teams. Get off cutlers back for the love of god hes a good QB and will be for a long time
so without Peyton Manning yesterday, do the COlts win? how about in Miami? SO YEs, QB's Make the diference in the NFL. It is all about decisions, not raw talent. and yes, it is a team sport, but fuck, no love for oeton because Denver stole him along with a couple a picks.
And all those Bear homers at the beginning of this thread, where you at now?
Why can't cutler just take a sack instead of turning it over?
how did they get lucky, i guess you didn't watch the game huh? Texans had like 20 penalties, missed fg at the end of reg and the fumble with 2 mins to go at half. yes, they got lucky and spoiled my ml bet, but + the points cashed easily.
answer me this SERB, when a team wins or loses, who gets credit?
you are a fool SERB, QB is the most important position on the field. It might not be throwing for 400 years, but NOT TURNING THE BALL OVER IS PARAMOUNT IN WINNING IN THE NFL.
its okay Serb, we know you are still in High School.
Can you have an intelligent conversation? The way to talk, you can not be over 16 years old.
How is forcing turnovers lucky? Whos fault is it if Houston is undisciplined? People have become to accustomed to 40 yards Fgs as being automatic 3 points, the game was on the line and the pressure was on and the game would of went into OT if he had made it! So Baltimore was UNLUCKY against Minni and yesterday vs the bengals because the kicker missed a fg Were the Lions unlucky because Stafford threw 5 picks? You're clueless, man. I dont even know why I reply to idiots that prob started watching football this year.
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Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:
how did they get lucky, i guess you didn't watch the game huh? Texans had like 20 penalties, missed fg at the end of reg and the fumble with 2 mins to go at half. yes, they got lucky and spoiled my ml bet, but + the points cashed easily.
answer me this SERB, when a team wins or loses, who gets credit?
you are a fool SERB, QB is the most important position on the field. It might not be throwing for 400 years, but NOT TURNING THE BALL OVER IS PARAMOUNT IN WINNING IN THE NFL.
its okay Serb, we know you are still in High School.
Can you have an intelligent conversation? The way to talk, you can not be over 16 years old.
How is forcing turnovers lucky? Whos fault is it if Houston is undisciplined? People have become to accustomed to 40 yards Fgs as being automatic 3 points, the game was on the line and the pressure was on and the game would of went into OT if he had made it! So Baltimore was UNLUCKY against Minni and yesterday vs the bengals because the kicker missed a fg Were the Lions unlucky because Stafford threw 5 picks? You're clueless, man. I dont even know why I reply to idiots that prob started watching football this year.
so without Peyton Manning yesterday, do the COlts win?
no they dont win but thats not my point u fuckin idiot. I am saying you can put the best QB in the world on the worst team in the world and hes still not going to win. Orton is playing well im not saying he hasnt. But you cant sit there and tell me cutler is a bad QB
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so without Peyton Manning yesterday, do the COlts win?
no they dont win but thats not my point u fuckin idiot. I am saying you can put the best QB in the world on the worst team in the world and hes still not going to win. Orton is playing well im not saying he hasnt. But you cant sit there and tell me cutler is a bad QB
Can you have an intelligent conversation? The way to talk, you can not be over 16 years old.
How is forcing turnovers lucky? Whos fault is it if Houston is undisciplined? People have become to accustomed to 40 yards Fgs as being automatic 3 points, the game was on the line and the pressure was on and the game would of went into OT if he had made it! So Baltimore was UNLUCKY against Minni and yesterday vs the bengals because the kicker missed a fg Were the Lions unlucky because Stafford threw 5 picks? You're clueless, man. I dont even know why I reply to idiots that prob started watching football this year.
yeah, Indy Dominated Houston
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:
Can you have an intelligent conversation? The way to talk, you can not be over 16 years old.
How is forcing turnovers lucky? Whos fault is it if Houston is undisciplined? People have become to accustomed to 40 yards Fgs as being automatic 3 points, the game was on the line and the pressure was on and the game would of went into OT if he had made it! So Baltimore was UNLUCKY against Minni and yesterday vs the bengals because the kicker missed a fg Were the Lions unlucky because Stafford threw 5 picks? You're clueless, man. I dont even know why I reply to idiots that prob started watching football this year.
i am a broncos man myself by the way NONEED but i feel that the broncos would have a better chance of winning the super bowl with cutler than with orton
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i am a broncos man myself by the way NONEED but i feel that the broncos would have a better chance of winning the super bowl with cutler than with orton
if you put peyton on the bears would there record be any different?? would he suddenly make the defense not give up 34 points? peyton manning might be the best QB ever. but if you put him on the rams there still not going to win more than 2-3 games. It all come down to your teamates. Urlacher goes down and the defense has not been the same since. Now Cutler is on the same team as last year basically a team with 0 defense except the only difference is in Denver on offense he has big time players and a good offense. Bottom line is cutler has no1 to throw the ball too. if you can sit there and tell me devon fuckin hester is a number 1 receiver ur smoking crack. He wouldnt start at wide out for a lot of teams. Get off cutlers back for the love of god hes a good QB and will be for a long time
So you think the lazy drunk fucking urlacher is the differenceGuy wake up the bears suck and no way one guy changes that..Some of the picks Cutler throws are no where near his recievers are you fucking serious..When he does have a guy open down field he misses him by 10 yards..You watching these games man? Not to mention he moves like he has a piano on his back,, someone said this kids fast he is not fast.I hope he gets better but as of now cutler is nothing special...
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Quote Originally Posted by pickenwinners:
if you put peyton on the bears would there record be any different?? would he suddenly make the defense not give up 34 points? peyton manning might be the best QB ever. but if you put him on the rams there still not going to win more than 2-3 games. It all come down to your teamates. Urlacher goes down and the defense has not been the same since. Now Cutler is on the same team as last year basically a team with 0 defense except the only difference is in Denver on offense he has big time players and a good offense. Bottom line is cutler has no1 to throw the ball too. if you can sit there and tell me devon fuckin hester is a number 1 receiver ur smoking crack. He wouldnt start at wide out for a lot of teams. Get off cutlers back for the love of god hes a good QB and will be for a long time
So you think the lazy drunk fucking urlacher is the differenceGuy wake up the bears suck and no way one guy changes that..Some of the picks Cutler throws are no where near his recievers are you fucking serious..When he does have a guy open down field he misses him by 10 yards..You watching these games man? Not to mention he moves like he has a piano on his back,, someone said this kids fast he is not fast.I hope he gets better but as of now cutler is nothing special...
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Were the Lions unlucky because Stafford threw 5 picks? You're clueless, man. I dont even know why I reply to idiots that prob started watching football this year.
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