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Posted: #51
Quote Originally Posted by Bruuuuce78:

Dallas doesn't even qualify as a good team

Now Dallas isnt a good team? We are going to hear these excuses all year.

 
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Posted: #52
Quote Originally Posted by kidvegas03:

Now Dallas isnt a good team? We are going to hear these excuses all year.

And after the Pats beat NE, they won't be any good either

 
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I mean Ravens beat Pats
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:

I mean Ravens beat Pats

No need, its a losing battle, the who have the Broncos played? is such a sorry ass argument.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by kidvegas03:

No need, its a losing battle, the who have the Broncos played? is such a sorry ass argument.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think every team they have played is part of the NFL and those guys get paid just like everyone else.

Hopefully we will get the last laugh.

 
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Posted: #56
Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:

Please find a post that I said Cutler sucked? I just said the proof is in the pudding. I guess you wuld rather have flashy stats than W's, ask Dan Marino how that feels. I will say this Orton will have a better ecord than Cutler for their entire careers. When CUtler get hit in the neck, he cries about it. I know fellas, I am a Denver fan. I go by what I see, not by what I read.

Whats showing career stats prove then????

Cutler is the better qb period....who cares that Orton has a better record he played on the better all around team.....look at the damn stats...

Thats the only knock you got on him...he wanted traded...cause your coach wanted a back up......

 

 
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Dallas dusts them up sunday!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by dcowboys:

Dallas dusts them up sunday!

How much you putting on it DC?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:

Jay Cutler 17-20 Career Record
                
Kyle Orton 21-12 Career Record
 
The only Stat that is important to a QB is his winning %.
 
And BY the looks of it, Denver got rid of a loser and found a winner.
 
Now Orton does not have Cutler's arm, or mouth, but he has something Cutler doesn't, an NFL winning % as opposed to a losing %.
 
So, for all the talk Orton sucks, he has won more games and has a higher winning % and for QB's that is all that matters.
                

Denver got a winner???? This is hilarious. Why do you think the Bears were so excited to get rid of Orton?

Why do you think the Bears gave Rex Grossman 37 chances to be the starting quarterback in Chicago?

Kyle Orton is an average quarterback and a good game manager who most of the time relies on a good defense to keep him in the game.

Jay Cutler is a playmaker. He has yet to prove that he is a franchise quarterback, though he does have the potential.

I think we can all agree that Kyle Orton has reached his ceiling.

Your comments that Orton is better then Cutler are blasphemy.

Sorry to hurt your feelings.
 
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Rex Grossman's record is similar to Orton's too.  I guess he's also better than Cutler.

Plenty of good QB's had average records in their first few years.  What was Troy Aikman's W-L record after 3 years?  I'll give it to you.  14-24.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:

SO it has nothing to do with the QB? Funny cause everyone and their mom's aither blame the qb or praise the qb.

And why is it every great team has a very good QB?



And when has Orton led a great team?  Yes, a great team generally has a great QB.  But sometimes bad teams have great QB's too.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by kidvegas03:

Talent

you will see this year, Broncos will make the playoffs. The limited amounts of posts I have is a bad excuse for not taking my 100 dollar bet.



Broncos will not make the playoffs and will not get to feast on the likes of Bungles, Browns and Raiders all season.  In fact it would not surprise me if they are 3-5 halfway thru.  I got Denver with 7 wins this season against a very weak schedule.
 
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As long as their is the "Dilfer" factor, Denver has a chance, but their D is nowhere close to the Baltimore D that year. On a side note, i am not sure why everybody is so high on Dallas, i mean all they have done is beat two winless teams and both wins came from their defense. if Dallas has showed anything so far, it is that Romo is a head case. At least Denver has a couple of wins against teams that actually have won a game. That's why they play the game!
 
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"My big knock on Cutler is his inability to come through in the clutch."
lol scho525, i like how u say that when the bears last 2 wins were from game winning drives...
i dont give a fuck how many posts anyone has, it doesnt mean shit about anyone's knowledge about football...
and about u dumbasses about orton...
the bears didnt feel confident in paying orton the big money and i agree with that cuz as good as he is at managing the game, and good at looking off safeties to make up for his limp-wrist...that's all he can do, he's fragile, immobile, and he has absolutely no deep ball, probably one of the worst in the league...last year the bears had one pass over 30 yards in the whole damn season and hester was wide open more than a handful of times deep downfield...through the first game, cutler already connected with two 30+ yard plays against the packers secondary and in his first game with a receiver core he's not familiar with and filled with rookies...and right now he's got the most TD's in the NFC north...to end all this stupid orton/cutler talk, the bears are going to resign cutler knowing that he's the real deal and they gave their problem to the broncos...are u sure u want to sign strictly just a game manager to a 60+ mil contract? 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:



And when has Orton led a great team?  Yes, a great team generally has a great QB.  But sometimes bad teams have great QB's too.

 

Nobody understands that....Denver was a shitty defensive team....30th as a whole.....Cutler was the leader on the 2nd best offense.........not only that but Denver had the 15th[?dont want to look it up right now]rushing attack....so Cutler was doing work....No #1 WRs in Chi yet they have a better passing attack????

Again the first few yrs W/L record is garbage..hard to win games when your D is giving up points like that....i guess Cutler isnt very good cause he couldnt lead the offense to 35 pts a game....like it or not his first three years of stats match up to some of the best qbs in the leagues history.................even with that god awful D all they had to do was win the SD game and the D gave up what 50 pts????????

 
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Jay Cutler
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Flipside715:

"My big knock on Cutler is his inability to come through in the clutch."
lol scho525, i like how u say that when the bears last 2 wins were from game winning drives...
i dont give a fuck how many posts anyone has, it doesnt mean shit about anyone's knowledge about football...
and about u dumbasses about orton...
the bears didnt feel confident in paying orton the big money and i agree with that cuz as good as he is at managing the game, and good at looking off safeties to make up for his limp-wrist...that's all he can do, he's fragile, immobile, and he has absolutely no deep ball, probably one of the worst in the league...last year the bears had one pass over 30 yards in the whole damn season and hester was wide open more than a handful of times deep downfield...through the first game, cutler already connected with two 30+ yard plays against the packers secondary and in his first game with a receiver core he's not familiar with and filled with rookies...and right now he's got the most TD's in the NFC north...to end all this stupid orton/cutler talk, the bears are going to resign cutler knowing that he's the real deal and they gave their problem to the broncos...are u sure u want to sign strictly just a game manager to a 60+ mil contract? 

DING DING DING

 

All this talk about no WRs in Chi.................when the real problem was they never had a QB

KNOX for ROY.............

 
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And Marshall and Royal are not going to put up the numbers they did with Cutler.  No way they catch 90-100 balls from Orton.  Those guys were recent 4th and 2nd round picks, nobody thought they'd put up numbers like that.  It's because a QB can make the receivers.  Cutler's gonna do that in Chicago.  Everyone says their receivers suck.  And they did last year.  But a good QB can make receivers, if they at least have some talent.  Cutler has a good chance of turning Johnny Knox into a star.  I'm not sure Earl Bennett would ever play an NFL game if not for Cutler.
 
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Posted: #69
Quote Originally Posted by kidvegas03:

No need, its a losing battle, the who have the Broncos played? is such a sorry ass argument.

How is that silly?????They played two wet napkins and an improved Cincy team....you guys with the  K/love is whats silly...Dallas played two shit teams and had the Gmen all but beat...

I dont see that many people picking the Boys to go to the SB...just the fact they r good enough to beat Denver...or will be the best team Denver has played to date.........whats wrong with saying that???

 
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Bears beat a back up QB and a field goal kicker that missed two chip shots. They could easliy be 0-3. Nobody knows what kind of team this is either. Lets see how they fair in their division (besides Detroit)
 
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Posted: #71
Quote Originally Posted by Bruuuuce78:

Jay Cutler


Why you copying me?

Comparing Cutler with Orton is a joke.

Kyle Orton


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Geppetto:

Bears beat a back up QB and a field goal kicker that missed two chip shots. They could easliy be 0-3. Nobody knows what kind of team this is either. Lets see how they fair in their division (besides Detroit)
 
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WHHHAAAAAAAAAAA Cutler couldnt take the worst D in the NFL to the playoffs.........
 
 

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If most of the people on this site are like me, our attention spans are not long enough to read that post. I bet there is some good stuff in there though.
 
 
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Posted: #75
QUOTE Originally Posted by Geppetto:

Bears beat a back up QB and a field goal kicker that missed two chip shots. They could easliy be 0-3. Nobody knows what kind of team this is either. Lets see how they fair in their division (besides Detroit)
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that's fine...they could be 0-3, at the end of the day, their 2-1, and ill take that especially with the tough division we have.  yea, those kickers missed FGs, but remember, the bears still had to go down the field and score to win those games...so ill take those wins...once the bears get that running game goin, they'll be hard to stop
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