Allbutbroke..............just in case you are new to the covers scene..............the person you are criticizing is a proven professional gambler that bets more on one game than many on this site make in one year.......gl
New....I don't think so. Been here since 2004 and gambling for 28 years. I am not criticizing anyone ...you can follow your own path. You are welcome to refute my comments...a 5 cent line won't save your bacon if you can't handicap worth shit.
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Quote Originally Posted by luckythirteen:
Allbutbroke..............just in case you are new to the covers scene..............the person you are criticizing is a proven professional gambler that bets more on one game than many on this site make in one year.......gl
New....I don't think so. Been here since 2004 and gambling for 28 years. I am not criticizing anyone ...you can follow your own path. You are welcome to refute my comments...a 5 cent line won't save your bacon if you can't handicap worth shit.
Now, tell us which teams will go 30-2, and which games will be "easy wins" and which games will be close. That way we can do as you say, bet the easy games and skip the close ones, and win 30 bets and only lose 2.
I really appreciate this. Let us know.
Well I'll give you North Carolina, but you should already know that, and they would be the best bet for a perfect season.... You know your stuff vanzack. Now the question is would you rather bet the spread and have a 50/50 chance of winning the game, or would you bet ML if you knew who the winner would be? Tough especially in basketball when a last free throw could be the difference. And if you do bet the ML, do you havve the balls to bet big?
One of my favourite bets from last season....
Wager Type:
Moneyline
Wager Status:
Win
Risk/To Win Amount:
14,400.00 / 1,655.17 (CAD)
Date Accepted:
22-December-2007
Time Accepted:
9:58:01 AM (Pacific)
Amount Paid:
16,055.17
Sport/Period:
NCAA Basketball / Game
Teams:
UCLA vs Michigan
Game Date
22-December-2007
Wager Line:
UCLA -870
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Great advice!!
Now, tell us which teams will go 30-2, and which games will be "easy wins" and which games will be close. That way we can do as you say, bet the easy games and skip the close ones, and win 30 bets and only lose 2.
I really appreciate this. Let us know.
Well I'll give you North Carolina, but you should already know that, and they would be the best bet for a perfect season.... You know your stuff vanzack. Now the question is would you rather bet the spread and have a 50/50 chance of winning the game, or would you bet ML if you knew who the winner would be? Tough especially in basketball when a last free throw could be the difference. And if you do bet the ML, do you havve the balls to bet big?
Jesus i hate posts like this . Barry you sound like you really trying to learn but please stop this babe in the woods routine ! Sportsbetting is equal parts of bankroll management , control and data mining . Nobody here can offer you a quick fix or a winning formula for your first year betting nfl and college that takes years to acquire that knowledge . Been betting pro and college for 15 years and everything i know comes from exp. and like somebody said early dont listen to those idiots at work they are all lambs. So barry my advice to you is take your lumps huckleberry just like the rest of us! gl champ!
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Jesus i hate posts like this . Barry you sound like you really trying to learn but please stop this babe in the woods routine ! Sportsbetting is equal parts of bankroll management , control and data mining . Nobody here can offer you a quick fix or a winning formula for your first year betting nfl and college that takes years to acquire that knowledge . Been betting pro and college for 15 years and everything i know comes from exp. and like somebody said early dont listen to those idiots at work they are all lambs. So barry my advice to you is take your lumps huckleberry just like the rest of us! gl champ!
Jesus i hate posts like this . Barry you sound like you really trying to learn but please stop this babe in the woods routine ! Sportsbetting is equal parts of bankroll management , control and data mining . Nobody here can offer you a quick fix or a winning formula for your first year betting nfl and college that takes years to acquire that knowledge . Been betting pro and college for 15 years and everything i know comes from exp. and like somebody said early dont listen to those idiots at work they are all lambs. So barry my advice to you is take your lumps huckleberry just like the rest of us! gl champ!
Very well put sir. Totally agree.
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Quote Originally Posted by backripper:
Jesus i hate posts like this . Barry you sound like you really trying to learn but please stop this babe in the woods routine ! Sportsbetting is equal parts of bankroll management , control and data mining . Nobody here can offer you a quick fix or a winning formula for your first year betting nfl and college that takes years to acquire that knowledge . Been betting pro and college for 15 years and everything i know comes from exp. and like somebody said early dont listen to those idiots at work they are all lambs. So barry my advice to you is take your lumps huckleberry just like the rest of us! gl champ!
I had a post about how to manage money during NFL bets.. well noone wanted to help me out with that so I gotta do it myself I guess.
I have a max of $2000 I can lose.. and I'm gonna try not to get carried away... This is my picks for real, and If i'm getting carried away, VETERANS PLEASE HELP ME!!
Picks for week 2 Preseason Saturday: * my picks are based on a system i made up + my knowledge of teams
1.)St louis over San Diego: $50.00 to win $50.00
2.)Atlanta over Indy: $100.00 to win $100.00
3.)Denver over Dallas: $100.00 to win $100.00
4.)Houston over NO: $100.00 to win $100.00
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How soon do you want to lose that $2,000?
Quote Originally Posted by BarryDingle31:
I had a post about how to manage money during NFL bets.. well noone wanted to help me out with that so I gotta do it myself I guess.
I have a max of $2000 I can lose.. and I'm gonna try not to get carried away... This is my picks for real, and If i'm getting carried away, VETERANS PLEASE HELP ME!!
How soon do you want to lose that $2,000? Follow most of this advice and you can kiss it goodbye, especially the one that says 60% winners is too high. Somebody lifted that one out of the football betting book by J.R. Miller, which was one of the worst books ever written, period. It must have been written by a bookmaker who was trying to dupe players.
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How soon do you want to lose that $2,000? Follow most of this advice and you can kiss it goodbye, especially the one that says 60% winners is too high. Somebody lifted that one out of the football betting book by J.R. Miller, which was one of the worst books ever written, period. It must have been written by a bookmaker who was trying to dupe players.
Well I'll give you North Carolina, but you should already know that, and they would be the best bet for a perfect season.... You know your stuff vanzack. Now the question is would you rather bet the spread and have a 50/50 chance of winning the game, or would you bet ML if you knew who the winner would be? Tough especially in basketball when a last free throw could be the difference. And if you do bet the ML, do you havve the balls to bet big?
One of my favourite bets from last season....
Wager Type:
Moneyline
Wager Status:
Win
Risk/To Win Amount:
14,400.00 / 1,655.17 (CAD)
Date Accepted:
22-December-2007
Time Accepted:
9:58:01 AM (Pacific)
Amount Paid:
16,055.17
Sport/Period:
NCAA Basketball / Game
Teams:
UCLA vs Michigan
Game Date
22-December-2007
Wager Line:
UCLA -870
If I am not mistaken, cause I was watching this game......UCLA was down by 10 in the 2H......not exactly comfy throwing that much juice around.....especially when a Left Coast team has to travel all the way more than half way across the country to play a nothing team like Michigan.
You sir, were fortunate....this time.
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Quote Originally Posted by STEVEPERRY:
Well I'll give you North Carolina, but you should already know that, and they would be the best bet for a perfect season.... You know your stuff vanzack. Now the question is would you rather bet the spread and have a 50/50 chance of winning the game, or would you bet ML if you knew who the winner would be? Tough especially in basketball when a last free throw could be the difference. And if you do bet the ML, do you havve the balls to bet big?
One of my favourite bets from last season....
Wager Type:
Moneyline
Wager Status:
Win
Risk/To Win Amount:
14,400.00 / 1,655.17 (CAD)
Date Accepted:
22-December-2007
Time Accepted:
9:58:01 AM (Pacific)
Amount Paid:
16,055.17
Sport/Period:
NCAA Basketball / Game
Teams:
UCLA vs Michigan
Game Date
22-December-2007
Wager Line:
UCLA -870
If I am not mistaken, cause I was watching this game......UCLA was down by 10 in the 2H......not exactly comfy throwing that much juice around.....especially when a Left Coast team has to travel all the way more than half way across the country to play a nothing team like Michigan.
I am brand new to sports betting, I was wondering about the Legal issue, I live in New York, I am aware it is still a grey area but, is it safe for me to place bets using these online sports books? Thanks.
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I am brand new to sports betting, I was wondering about the Legal issue, I live in New York, I am aware it is still a grey area but, is it safe for me to place bets using these online sports books? Thanks.
Luckythirteen: really... $20 seems small... but maybe I am over my head, though it seems to be the right amount to give me a thrill, be happy if i win, and not go crazy if i lose..
20$ would be 1%... so If i went on a horrible losing streak, i could lose 100 games.. but If i win 100 games I only win 2,000, and I say only because 100 games is hard to win..
but thank you for the input and i'm curious.. do you have the 10k set aside? or is that just the max you will allow yourself to lose?, afterall the season is long and there will be lots of paychecks inbetween
Straight bets only... sides/totals... 2k will last you for much more than a year.
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Quote Originally Posted by BarryDingle31:
Luckythirteen: really... $20 seems small... but maybe I am over my head, though it seems to be the right amount to give me a thrill, be happy if i win, and not go crazy if i lose..
20$ would be 1%... so If i went on a horrible losing streak, i could lose 100 games.. but If i win 100 games I only win 2,000, and I say only because 100 games is hard to win..
but thank you for the input and i'm curious.. do you have the 10k set aside? or is that just the max you will allow yourself to lose?, afterall the season is long and there will be lots of paychecks inbetween
Straight bets only... sides/totals... 2k will last you for much more than a year.
Jesus i hate posts like this . Barry you sound like you really trying to learn but please stop this babe in the woods routine ! Sportsbetting is equal parts of bankroll management , control and data mining . Nobody here can offer you a quick fix or a winning formula for your first year betting nfl and college that takes years to acquire that knowledge . Been betting pro and college for 15 years and everything i know comes from exp. and like somebody said early dont listen to those idiots at work they are all lambs. So barry my advice to you is take your lumps huckleberry just like the rest of us! gl champ!
At least you liked the post enough to post a reply.. Anyway, why not take advantage of a popular sports forum and ask people that have been doing it for 15 years for help. . Why would I want to fall down the same hole as everyone when they can tell me about the holes and I will avoid them. Anyway it seems I got most the info I needed, I just have to put it to practice now..., and too bad I didn't listen to Vanzack last nite
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Quote Originally Posted by backripper:
Jesus i hate posts like this . Barry you sound like you really trying to learn but please stop this babe in the woods routine ! Sportsbetting is equal parts of bankroll management , control and data mining . Nobody here can offer you a quick fix or a winning formula for your first year betting nfl and college that takes years to acquire that knowledge . Been betting pro and college for 15 years and everything i know comes from exp. and like somebody said early dont listen to those idiots at work they are all lambs. So barry my advice to you is take your lumps huckleberry just like the rest of us! gl champ!
At least you liked the post enough to post a reply.. Anyway, why not take advantage of a popular sports forum and ask people that have been doing it for 15 years for help. . Why would I want to fall down the same hole as everyone when they can tell me about the holes and I will avoid them. Anyway it seems I got most the info I needed, I just have to put it to practice now..., and too bad I didn't listen to Vanzack last nite
After I stop laughing at the responses in this thread then I can put my 2cents in it. The reason for the laughter is that everybody has these stories about getting cracked over the head by doing stupid bets. I am guilty myself, and it's so funny hearing the stories because we have all been there with bad money management, chasing, letting our emotions get the best of us. Ok this is my advice:
1) I have a problem with my emotions, man the high you feel after a winning bet is contagious. So make bets you feel pretty confident about so if you win or lose you feel you made a good choice.
2) I think this gambling thing is made for either you hit big or lose. It is called gambling, for me I say when your feeling good on a streak and got games you like up the bets man because those same good bets might not come around the next day and you'll be kicking yourself for being conservative with bets that you really liked.
3) Don't bet a lot of games, man that is the best way to get your ass handed to you. Like on a saturday if there are like 20 games on don't try to bet them all, cause you gonna get your ass handed to you please believe it. Bet like 2 or 3 of your best games and if you hit those later on in the day if there are more games on you can take a few chances on some stuff, play it smart.
My advice is not as conservative as some, but it can be effective.
^^^ My main problem is getting emotional after a loss and wanting to chase. If I can control that man I could make a living off this stuff.
Goodluck.
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After I stop laughing at the responses in this thread then I can put my 2cents in it. The reason for the laughter is that everybody has these stories about getting cracked over the head by doing stupid bets. I am guilty myself, and it's so funny hearing the stories because we have all been there with bad money management, chasing, letting our emotions get the best of us. Ok this is my advice:
1) I have a problem with my emotions, man the high you feel after a winning bet is contagious. So make bets you feel pretty confident about so if you win or lose you feel you made a good choice.
2) I think this gambling thing is made for either you hit big or lose. It is called gambling, for me I say when your feeling good on a streak and got games you like up the bets man because those same good bets might not come around the next day and you'll be kicking yourself for being conservative with bets that you really liked.
3) Don't bet a lot of games, man that is the best way to get your ass handed to you. Like on a saturday if there are like 20 games on don't try to bet them all, cause you gonna get your ass handed to you please believe it. Bet like 2 or 3 of your best games and if you hit those later on in the day if there are more games on you can take a few chances on some stuff, play it smart.
My advice is not as conservative as some, but it can be effective.
^^^ My main problem is getting emotional after a loss and wanting to chase. If I can control that man I could make a living off this stuff.
barry - teddy and I discuss this thread on the show today and give you some advice - try listen and good luck this footy season
I just listened to this, and holy shit you guys are total squares giving total square advice.
To sum up:
1. Be happy (thrilled) if you have 2k at the end of the season because of the "gambling experience" you got for free.
2. Bet 40 or 100 per game - either way - some predetermined amount based on NOTHING except extending your bankroll as long as you can to get entertainment value.
3. Dont be sunday night games and monday night games.
4. Bet only 3 games per saturday.
5. Think about losing not winnning (whatever this means - not sure)
Once again - more people giving advice without asking this kid WHAT HIS OBJECTIVES ARE.
Look - I understand some (most) people bet for fun and this advice makes sense to someone who's goal is to extend the bankroll over the season and not win money - but have you asked this guy if that is HIS GOAL???? Maybe he actually wants to make money. What a sad state of affairs we have in sportsgambling if it is assumed that everyone just wants to stay alive to make it through the season and not do it to actually make a profit.
Your advice is fine for someone with those stated goals. Your advice sucks for someone who wants to make a profit. You address nothing of real value with regards to key indicators for profitability. You never asked this kid what HIS goals are.
You are like a financial advisor who gives out the same financial advice to everyone who walks in without ever asking them what they want to do with their money, their risk tolerance, and their goals. Just horseshit.
I understand you are targeting a square audience because you are selling a product to a market that is squares - but dont do this guy and anyone else looking to really learn to be profitable a disservice by giving out generic advice with no real reasoning behind it.
That all being said, your show is entertaining....
Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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Quote Originally Posted by theprez:
barry - teddy and I discuss this thread on the show today and give you some advice - try listen and good luck this footy season
I just listened to this, and holy shit you guys are total squares giving total square advice.
To sum up:
1. Be happy (thrilled) if you have 2k at the end of the season because of the "gambling experience" you got for free.
2. Bet 40 or 100 per game - either way - some predetermined amount based on NOTHING except extending your bankroll as long as you can to get entertainment value.
3. Dont be sunday night games and monday night games.
4. Bet only 3 games per saturday.
5. Think about losing not winnning (whatever this means - not sure)
Once again - more people giving advice without asking this kid WHAT HIS OBJECTIVES ARE.
Look - I understand some (most) people bet for fun and this advice makes sense to someone who's goal is to extend the bankroll over the season and not win money - but have you asked this guy if that is HIS GOAL???? Maybe he actually wants to make money. What a sad state of affairs we have in sportsgambling if it is assumed that everyone just wants to stay alive to make it through the season and not do it to actually make a profit.
Your advice is fine for someone with those stated goals. Your advice sucks for someone who wants to make a profit. You address nothing of real value with regards to key indicators for profitability. You never asked this kid what HIS goals are.
You are like a financial advisor who gives out the same financial advice to everyone who walks in without ever asking them what they want to do with their money, their risk tolerance, and their goals. Just horseshit.
I understand you are targeting a square audience because you are selling a product to a market that is squares - but dont do this guy and anyone else looking to really learn to be profitable a disservice by giving out generic advice with no real reasoning behind it.
That all being said, your show is entertaining....
The house loves it when public peeps pile on those high moneylines.
Here is why those moneylines are bad.
The comeback gap is like 5 bucks on a -2000 ML. HUGE, MASSIVE math edge to the house there.
A standard -110/-110 on a football game is bad enough, but giving the house a 5 buck advantage? Can't beat it over time.
Even the dog moneylines are rip-offs from a math standpoint. Any moneyline gap over 20 cents is a rip-off and should be avoided like 99% of the time.
While true, I bet ML when there is a clear advantage of skill/talent over the other team. Like US basketball this morning. They obviously were going to win, so I bet the ML. Why bet the point spread and then your in a 50/50 if they cover or not. The spread came out at USA-19.5 and closed at USA -20.5 Well USA won by 20. I use what works for me, and this has!! Of course you just can't bet all the high ML's. You must do your research!!!!!
And yes UCLA was sleeping in the 1st half, but thankfully awoke in the 2nd....
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Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:
The house loves it when public peeps pile on those high moneylines.
Here is why those moneylines are bad.
The comeback gap is like 5 bucks on a -2000 ML. HUGE, MASSIVE math edge to the house there.
A standard -110/-110 on a football game is bad enough, but giving the house a 5 buck advantage? Can't beat it over time.
Even the dog moneylines are rip-offs from a math standpoint. Any moneyline gap over 20 cents is a rip-off and should be avoided like 99% of the time.
While true, I bet ML when there is a clear advantage of skill/talent over the other team. Like US basketball this morning. They obviously were going to win, so I bet the ML. Why bet the point spread and then your in a 50/50 if they cover or not. The spread came out at USA-19.5 and closed at USA -20.5 Well USA won by 20. I use what works for me, and this has!! Of course you just can't bet all the high ML's. You must do your research!!!!!
And yes UCLA was sleeping in the 1st half, but thankfully awoke in the 2nd....
I just listened to this, and holy shit you guys are total squares giving total square advice.
To sum up:
1. Be happy (thrilled) if you have 2k at the end of the season because of the "gambling experience" you got for free.
2. Bet 40 or 100 per game - either way - some predetermined amount based on NOTHING except extending your bankroll as long as you can to get entertainment value.
3. Dont be sunday night games and monday night games.
4. Bet only 3 games per saturday.
5. Think about losing not winnning (whatever this means - not sure)
Once again - more people giving advice without asking this kid WHAT HIS OBJECTIVES ARE.
Look - I understand some (most) people bet for fun and this advice makes sense to someone who's goal is to extend the bankroll over the season and not win money - but have you asked this guy if that is HIS GOAL???? Maybe he actually wants to make money. What a sad state of affairs we have in sportsgambling if it is assumed that everyone just wants to stay alive to make it through the season and not do it to actually make a profit.
Your advice is fine for someone with those stated goals. Your advice sucks for someone who wants to make a profit. You address nothing of real value with regards to key indicators for profitability. You never asked this kid what HIS goals are.
You are like a financial advisor who gives out the same financial advice to everyone who walks in without ever asking them what they want to do with their money, their risk tolerance, and their goals. Just horseshit.
I understand you are targeting a square audience because you are selling a product to a market that is squares - but dont do this guy and anyone else looking to really learn to be profitable a disservice by giving out generic advice with no real reasoning behind it.
That all being said, your show is entertaining....
Good advice...but a little too full of yourself for my liking. Must be a bitch to be in a place surrounded by squares. I look forward to your wisdom but in a different manner.......posting winners. Wil be watching for them.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
I just listened to this, and holy shit you guys are total squares giving total square advice.
To sum up:
1. Be happy (thrilled) if you have 2k at the end of the season because of the "gambling experience" you got for free.
2. Bet 40 or 100 per game - either way - some predetermined amount based on NOTHING except extending your bankroll as long as you can to get entertainment value.
3. Dont be sunday night games and monday night games.
4. Bet only 3 games per saturday.
5. Think about losing not winnning (whatever this means - not sure)
Once again - more people giving advice without asking this kid WHAT HIS OBJECTIVES ARE.
Look - I understand some (most) people bet for fun and this advice makes sense to someone who's goal is to extend the bankroll over the season and not win money - but have you asked this guy if that is HIS GOAL???? Maybe he actually wants to make money. What a sad state of affairs we have in sportsgambling if it is assumed that everyone just wants to stay alive to make it through the season and not do it to actually make a profit.
Your advice is fine for someone with those stated goals. Your advice sucks for someone who wants to make a profit. You address nothing of real value with regards to key indicators for profitability. You never asked this kid what HIS goals are.
You are like a financial advisor who gives out the same financial advice to everyone who walks in without ever asking them what they want to do with their money, their risk tolerance, and their goals. Just horseshit.
I understand you are targeting a square audience because you are selling a product to a market that is squares - but dont do this guy and anyone else looking to really learn to be profitable a disservice by giving out generic advice with no real reasoning behind it.
That all being said, your show is entertaining....
Good advice...but a little too full of yourself for my liking. Must be a bitch to be in a place surrounded by squares. I look forward to your wisdom but in a different manner.......posting winners. Wil be watching for them.
Good advice...but a little too full of yourself for my liking. Must be a bitch to be in a place surrounded by squares. I look forward to your wisdom but in a different manner.......posting winners. Wil be watching for them.
The downside of being smarter than everyone else is that people tend to assume you are arrogant.
Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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Quote Originally Posted by Allbutbroke:
Good advice...but a little too full of yourself for my liking. Must be a bitch to be in a place surrounded by squares. I look forward to your wisdom but in a different manner.......posting winners. Wil be watching for them.
The downside of being smarter than everyone else is that people tend to assume you are arrogant.
While true, I bet ML when there is a clear advantage of skill/talent over the other team. Like US basketball this morning. They obviously were going to win, so I bet the ML. Why bet the point spread and then your in a 50/50 if they cover or not. The spread came out at USA-19.5 and closed at USA -20.5 Well USA won by 20. I use what works for me, and this has!! Of course you just can't bet all the high ML's. You must do your research!!!!!
And yes UCLA was sleeping in the 1st half, but thankfully awoke in the 2nd....
Ok...I have to ask this. What did your research tell you to take in the Super Bowl? Most people figured the Patriots had the superier talent and they would at least win. A Patriots ML lost had to hurt if you took it.
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Quote Originally Posted by STEVEPERRY:
While true, I bet ML when there is a clear advantage of skill/talent over the other team. Like US basketball this morning. They obviously were going to win, so I bet the ML. Why bet the point spread and then your in a 50/50 if they cover or not. The spread came out at USA-19.5 and closed at USA -20.5 Well USA won by 20. I use what works for me, and this has!! Of course you just can't bet all the high ML's. You must do your research!!!!!
And yes UCLA was sleeping in the 1st half, but thankfully awoke in the 2nd....
Ok...I have to ask this. What did your research tell you to take in the Super Bowl? Most people figured the Patriots had the superier talent and they would at least win. A Patriots ML lost had to hurt if you took it.
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