I think what 165 means is a player like LeBron, Kobe, Wade. These players all have a reputation that they carry their team. Example... Without the presence of Wade in the lineup, the Heat can't possibly compete against the Lakers tonight. That kind of thing.
I think the same theory can apply to when a star player also comes back from an injury. People automatically assume that because a team like Indiana has Granger back, that they'll be a better team. Just look back to earlier in the week. Granger makes his return against the lowly Timberwolves and the lowly Timberwolves win.
I couldn't have said it better myself Chris on both points I made bold. One other point is when teams make that big trade middle of the year and get that great player always go against the trade. Reason being it takes some time to get used to his new teamates and the offense. Things take time getting used to whatever system they run, also something to take note. The last game a star player was out was last week when Denver was at Utah, Mello was out and was getting 7.5. Guess who won the game outright by DD points no less. Redd would've fallen into this category 3 years ago before the injuries have set in.
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Quote Originally Posted by Canada_Chris:
Michael Redd is far from a star player.
I think what 165 means is a player like LeBron, Kobe, Wade. These players all have a reputation that they carry their team. Example... Without the presence of Wade in the lineup, the Heat can't possibly compete against the Lakers tonight. That kind of thing.
I think the same theory can apply to when a star player also comes back from an injury. People automatically assume that because a team like Indiana has Granger back, that they'll be a better team. Just look back to earlier in the week. Granger makes his return against the lowly Timberwolves and the lowly Timberwolves win.
I couldn't have said it better myself Chris on both points I made bold. One other point is when teams make that big trade middle of the year and get that great player always go against the trade. Reason being it takes some time to get used to his new teamates and the offense. Things take time getting used to whatever system they run, also something to take note. The last game a star player was out was last week when Denver was at Utah, Mello was out and was getting 7.5. Guess who won the game outright by DD points no less. Redd would've fallen into this category 3 years ago before the injuries have set in.
This didn't work in the Pats vs Ravens game. Ravens kicked ass in the 1st half, and they continued kicking ass in the 2nd half.
Sorry would have no idea as I didn't bet one game in the NFL this weekend or watch. Couldn't find a side or total I liked so I passed. Imagine that, passing on NFL weekend football, how awful. I'll say this about the NFL it is by far the toughest sport to cap. Everyone is an expert it seems. SolidCapper I must've said this 20 times in this thread to just watch the second half lines and track them yourself over the course of a 100 games you than can see some tangible numbers, not two games this weekend and for the 20th time patience and picking your spots are what gambling is about. Use situational betting and use your head.
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Quote Originally Posted by SolidCapper:
This didn't work in the Pats vs Ravens game. Ravens kicked ass in the 1st half, and they continued kicking ass in the 2nd half.
Sorry would have no idea as I didn't bet one game in the NFL this weekend or watch. Couldn't find a side or total I liked so I passed. Imagine that, passing on NFL weekend football, how awful. I'll say this about the NFL it is by far the toughest sport to cap. Everyone is an expert it seems. SolidCapper I must've said this 20 times in this thread to just watch the second half lines and track them yourself over the course of a 100 games you than can see some tangible numbers, not two games this weekend and for the 20th time patience and picking your spots are what gambling is about. Use situational betting and use your head.
KG has been out for more than 3 games, so it should be a "no play". LOL. I think you apply this "formula" to the 1st 2 games he's out, but I'm skeptical.
Of course not. If you like them the third game than by all means bet it. The first game is what's really important although in my experience it seems to cover the first two games than reality sets in.
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Quote Originally Posted by SolidCapper:
KG has been out for more than 3 games, so it should be a "no play". LOL. I think you apply this "formula" to the 1st 2 games he's out, but I'm skeptical.
Of course not. If you like them the third game than by all means bet it. The first game is what's really important although in my experience it seems to cover the first two games than reality sets in.
So basically if you used this in the NFL this past weekend, you would've been 0-2 with the Bengals and Patriots which basically means you lost a ton of $$.
You keep wanting to go back to football and apply NBA "angles" to it. These are TOTALLY different games, if you haven't noticed. A mistake in football can be HUGE (Pic 6, Int, Fum, Holding, missed FG, etc) or not too bad (int on 4 and 10 on your 50 to other teams 20), but in basketball a mistake is no big deal (with some very very small exceptions).
Lets look at PHI@Dal I had PHI), half time line was PHI -1.5. I mean, DAL was up by 20 at the half. My thoughts at this point: PHI bet lost and the books were getting greedy and trying to get more PHI money.
Same with Cinn (I had CINN), I think it was CINN -2.5 with Jets up by 7 as a Road dog. My thoughts: Jets gonna win this game. Books were begging for more Cinn money....
GB@ARI (no bet for me, gun shy): ARi up by 14 looking like champs and the line comes out at GB -3.5... My thoughts, looks like GB might have a chance here
BAL@NE (no bet for me), 2nd half line is NE-7 losing by 17 at half, I believe it was BAL +7-120. No real feel in this one.
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Quote Originally Posted by SolidCapper:
So basically if you used this in the NFL this past weekend, you would've been 0-2 with the Bengals and Patriots which basically means you lost a ton of $$.
You keep wanting to go back to football and apply NBA "angles" to it. These are TOTALLY different games, if you haven't noticed. A mistake in football can be HUGE (Pic 6, Int, Fum, Holding, missed FG, etc) or not too bad (int on 4 and 10 on your 50 to other teams 20), but in basketball a mistake is no big deal (with some very very small exceptions).
Lets look at PHI@Dal I had PHI), half time line was PHI -1.5. I mean, DAL was up by 20 at the half. My thoughts at this point: PHI bet lost and the books were getting greedy and trying to get more PHI money.
Same with Cinn (I had CINN), I think it was CINN -2.5 with Jets up by 7 as a Road dog. My thoughts: Jets gonna win this game. Books were begging for more Cinn money....
GB@ARI (no bet for me, gun shy): ARi up by 14 looking like champs and the line comes out at GB -3.5... My thoughts, looks like GB might have a chance here
BAL@NE (no bet for me), 2nd half line is NE-7 losing by 17 at half, I believe it was BAL +7-120. No real feel in this one.
I bet if anyone uses this method for 10 or 20 games, I guarantee you won't hit 70 or 80% that this thread claims. I'd be surprised if you even hit 50%.
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I bet if anyone uses this method for 10 or 20 games, I guarantee you won't hit 70 or 80% that this thread claims. I'd be surprised if you even hit 50%.
I like some of the points all you have made...agreed, there is no silver bullet to betting the NBA. I look for streaks but the fact of the matter is the oddsmakers know what they are doing. Use the Trends tab on covers and you'll see that ATS every category...Favs, Dogs, Road Favs, Home Favs all about 50%.
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I like some of the points all you have made...agreed, there is no silver bullet to betting the NBA. I look for streaks but the fact of the matter is the oddsmakers know what they are doing. Use the Trends tab on covers and you'll see that ATS every category...Favs, Dogs, Road Favs, Home Favs all about 50%.
I think what 165 means is a player like LeBron, Kobe, Wade. These players all have a reputation that they carry their team. Example... Without the presence of Wade in the lineup, the Heat can't possibly compete against the Lakers tonight. That kind of thing.
I think the same theory can apply to when a star player also comes back from an injury. People automatically assume that because a team like Indiana has Granger back, that they'll be a better team. Just look back to earlier in the week. Granger makes his return against the lowly Timberwolves and the lowly Timberwolves win.
Too bad you didn't think Michael Redd was a star player, cause you would've won with the Milwaukee Bucks +9, as they only lost by 4. You probably stopped this guy from making $$ by making this post.
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Quote Originally Posted by Canada_Chris:
Michael Redd is far from a star player.
I think what 165 means is a player like LeBron, Kobe, Wade. These players all have a reputation that they carry their team. Example... Without the presence of Wade in the lineup, the Heat can't possibly compete against the Lakers tonight. That kind of thing.
I think the same theory can apply to when a star player also comes back from an injury. People automatically assume that because a team like Indiana has Granger back, that they'll be a better team. Just look back to earlier in the week. Granger makes his return against the lowly Timberwolves and the lowly Timberwolves win.
Too bad you didn't think Michael Redd was a star player, cause you would've won with the Milwaukee Bucks +9, as they only lost by 4. You probably stopped this guy from making $$ by making this post.
Works quite often. You just have to have the balls to take them, which most bettors don't. Over the last few years I've been getting more brave with this
Question I have is where are you reading who is in or who is out?? Some reports say doubtful and the player ends up playing. A little help on some sites that I can use will be helpful.
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Quote Originally Posted by thatsagoodone:
Star player out angle
Works quite often. You just have to have the balls to take them, which most bettors don't. Over the last few years I've been getting more brave with this
Question I have is where are you reading who is in or who is out?? Some reports say doubtful and the player ends up playing. A little help on some sites that I can use will be helpful.
According to this thread, you can't use this "star player out angle" unless it happens to Kobe, Lebron, KG, Melo, or WADE......Cause they said Michael Redd wasn't a star player, and prevented a cover user from winning a bet.
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According to this thread, you can't use this "star player out angle" unless it happens to Kobe, Lebron, KG, Melo, or WADE......Cause they said Michael Redd wasn't a star player, and prevented a cover user from winning a bet.
-120 or -115- I never bet these on principle alone. This is a sucker bet the book puts out on halftime lines. You will often notice the 2nd half line opens at this number. They know most will be on the -120 so they penalize you and feel the better play is the +100. Now why do you think they put the -120 out there? OK well if it opens at -110 and moves to -120 they feel the squares are on the -120 and majority of bets. If it opens at -120 and moves to -110 than throw this out the window and the other side will win most of the time. Loser gamblers think they have some sort of mystical edge when they see -120 or -115. This lets the square bettor know who to bet. I gaurantee the -1 is out there to let the squares know who to bet on the game line. The -1 in any sport will lose a little over 60% of the time but that's not for this discussion.
I also believe when they move the juice and not the line they are doing so because they are booking more action but don't want to move the line by a .5 a point because it gives the otherside too much value moving up that number.
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Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:
-120 or -115- I never bet these on principle alone. This is a sucker bet the book puts out on halftime lines. You will often notice the 2nd half line opens at this number. They know most will be on the -120 so they penalize you and feel the better play is the +100. Now why do you think they put the -120 out there? OK well if it opens at -110 and moves to -120 they feel the squares are on the -120 and majority of bets. If it opens at -120 and moves to -110 than throw this out the window and the other side will win most of the time. Loser gamblers think they have some sort of mystical edge when they see -120 or -115. This lets the square bettor know who to bet. I gaurantee the -1 is out there to let the squares know who to bet on the game line. The -1 in any sport will lose a little over 60% of the time but that's not for this discussion.
I also believe when they move the juice and not the line they are doing so because they are booking more action but don't want to move the line by a .5 a point because it gives the otherside too much value moving up that number.
According to this thread, you can't use this "star player out angle" unless it happens to Kobe, Lebron, KG, Melo, or WADE......Cause they said Michael Redd wasn't a star player, and prevented a cover user from winning a bet.
If my message actually prevented somebody from taking the Bucks last night, then i'm glad. I don't care if the Bucks covered.
You're missing the point man. Michael Redd is the most injury prone player in the NBA. Nobody talks about him anymore, nobody really cares about him anymore. Injuries have killed his career and image. The man has averaged 11.2PPG this season. Hell i'd be surpised if people even knew he was still on the Bucks anymore.
Superstar? Please!
Furthermore, the first player most people think of on the Bucks these days is Brandon Jennings. If he went down with an injury, then I might have been more inclined to take the Bucks in this spot. That's assuming of course that I was playing this whole 'star player out' angle.
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Quote Originally Posted by SolidCapper:
According to this thread, you can't use this "star player out angle" unless it happens to Kobe, Lebron, KG, Melo, or WADE......Cause they said Michael Redd wasn't a star player, and prevented a cover user from winning a bet.
If my message actually prevented somebody from taking the Bucks last night, then i'm glad. I don't care if the Bucks covered.
You're missing the point man. Michael Redd is the most injury prone player in the NBA. Nobody talks about him anymore, nobody really cares about him anymore. Injuries have killed his career and image. The man has averaged 11.2PPG this season. Hell i'd be surpised if people even knew he was still on the Bucks anymore.
Superstar? Please!
Furthermore, the first player most people think of on the Bucks these days is Brandon Jennings. If he went down with an injury, then I might have been more inclined to take the Bucks in this spot. That's assuming of course that I was playing this whole 'star player out' angle.
just sign up with a losing spaming tout and play every game opposite of what he releases.. you will definately hit more than not longterm and often at good prices using matchbook or exchanges..
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just sign up with a losing spaming tout and play every game opposite of what he releases.. you will definately hit more than not longterm and often at good prices using matchbook or exchanges..
if this "system" really worked, you would be keeping it to yourself and just tell your close friends and family. It doesn't work, that's why you will never post any plays in here. Cause you would be embarassed if you post plays and you hit 33%. Post some plays using this "system". I bet you won't cause everyone will see how horrible this "system" is.
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if this "system" really worked, you would be keeping it to yourself and just tell your close friends and family. It doesn't work, that's why you will never post any plays in here. Cause you would be embarassed if you post plays and you hit 33%. Post some plays using this "system". I bet you won't cause everyone will see how horrible this "system" is.
If my message actually prevented somebody from taking the Bucks last night, then i'm glad. I don't care if the Bucks covered.
You're missing the point man. Michael Redd is the most injury prone player in the NBA. Nobody talks about him anymore, nobody really cares about him anymore. Injuries have killed his career and image. The man has averaged 11.2PPG this season. Hell i'd be surpised if people even knew he was still on the Bucks anymore.
Superstar? Please!
Furthermore, the first player most people think of on the Bucks these days is Brandon Jennings. If he went down with an injury, then I might have been more inclined to take the Bucks in this spot. That's assuming of course that I was playing this whole 'star player out' angle.
this thread has been awesome, most criticism has been well thought out, and 165 has responded to everyone, what a class act. CHRIS you are a great nba guy, dont go back in forth w solid capper. he is literally the lone person tossing out anectdotal evidence to counter everypoint...i think 165 tossing out %s has undercut his true pt. and while im sure he is earnest in his belief these are close #s he's allowed the anectdotal dissenters the ammo the need to justify thier own misfortunes.
as for me Mak23's response is my one great failure and why i manage to pick well over the % of games correctly to win in this game yet consistently lose. i play way to much and out of boredom. i am recreational at this but gamble figure in excess of recretional proportion to my income.
i am really gonna focus on playing less and only with good reason, i will be looking at your and many others input and as always fade the boards as much as possible.
btw, you were right on your double reverse vegas/book psychology the other nite in philly, DAMIT
bol all
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Quote Originally Posted by Canada_Chris:
If my message actually prevented somebody from taking the Bucks last night, then i'm glad. I don't care if the Bucks covered.
You're missing the point man. Michael Redd is the most injury prone player in the NBA. Nobody talks about him anymore, nobody really cares about him anymore. Injuries have killed his career and image. The man has averaged 11.2PPG this season. Hell i'd be surpised if people even knew he was still on the Bucks anymore.
Superstar? Please!
Furthermore, the first player most people think of on the Bucks these days is Brandon Jennings. If he went down with an injury, then I might have been more inclined to take the Bucks in this spot. That's assuming of course that I was playing this whole 'star player out' angle.
this thread has been awesome, most criticism has been well thought out, and 165 has responded to everyone, what a class act. CHRIS you are a great nba guy, dont go back in forth w solid capper. he is literally the lone person tossing out anectdotal evidence to counter everypoint...i think 165 tossing out %s has undercut his true pt. and while im sure he is earnest in his belief these are close #s he's allowed the anectdotal dissenters the ammo the need to justify thier own misfortunes.
as for me Mak23's response is my one great failure and why i manage to pick well over the % of games correctly to win in this game yet consistently lose. i play way to much and out of boredom. i am recreational at this but gamble figure in excess of recretional proportion to my income.
i am really gonna focus on playing less and only with good reason, i will be looking at your and many others input and as always fade the boards as much as possible.
btw, you were right on your double reverse vegas/book psychology the other nite in philly, DAMIT
superb thread 165, just want to add my input as well.
the books have experts analyzing matchups so unless you know something they don't, you wont beat them that way.
Even though i'm new to covers Ive been studying lines for years and 90% of my bets culminate from seeing a line first thing and instinctively knowing there's a play, then I may do some additional research to confirm this.
I love backing any half decent home team in any sport thats down a ton at half time in a game they have an interest in winning, they will play to get close, the other team will play conservative.
That may be true, but Books are constrained by public sentiment. so if we come up with an accurate line, we can see where the diff. between ability vs. perception is and bet accordingly.
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Quote Originally Posted by mr_bollox:
superb thread 165, just want to add my input as well.
the books have experts analyzing matchups so unless you know something they don't, you wont beat them that way.
Even though i'm new to covers Ive been studying lines for years and 90% of my bets culminate from seeing a line first thing and instinctively knowing there's a play, then I may do some additional research to confirm this.
I love backing any half decent home team in any sport thats down a ton at half time in a game they have an interest in winning, they will play to get close, the other team will play conservative.
That may be true, but Books are constrained by public sentiment. so if we come up with an accurate line, we can see where the diff. between ability vs. perception is and bet accordingly.
I bet if anyone uses this method for 10 or 20 games, I guarantee you won't hit 70 or 80% that this thread claims. I'd be surprised if you even hit 50%.
Not sure who made these claims...
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Quote Originally Posted by SolidCapper:
I bet if anyone uses this method for 10 or 20 games, I guarantee you won't hit 70 or 80% that this thread claims. I'd be surprised if you even hit 50%.
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