thank you andarmac. in a time when other teams are struggling to be around, the last thing the NBA wants is stars migrating to the big market teams. and there was a little known deal made towards the end of the season last year where the cavs sold part ownership to a chinese firm. IF he stays in cleveland, that will be huge in his international fame, mainly because then the chinese (who love the NBA) will then have 'ownership' in the NBAs best.
cavs win
If you want further proof that big stars don't need big markets anymore just look at tomorrows Super Bowl and some guy named Peyton Manning. Probably the biggest star in the game with all his greatness, endorsements, commercials, etc, etc, etc plays in one of the smallest markets in the league with quite possibly the smallest diehard fanbase in the entire league. The amount of Colts fans tomorrow in Miami will probably be dwarfed by the amount of Saints fans.
Stars make the markets nowadays, the markets don't make the stars. The Colts and Cavs were dead franchises before Manning and LeBron got there.
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Quote Originally Posted by gqfiji:
thank you andarmac. in a time when other teams are struggling to be around, the last thing the NBA wants is stars migrating to the big market teams. and there was a little known deal made towards the end of the season last year where the cavs sold part ownership to a chinese firm. IF he stays in cleveland, that will be huge in his international fame, mainly because then the chinese (who love the NBA) will then have 'ownership' in the NBAs best.
cavs win
If you want further proof that big stars don't need big markets anymore just look at tomorrows Super Bowl and some guy named Peyton Manning. Probably the biggest star in the game with all his greatness, endorsements, commercials, etc, etc, etc plays in one of the smallest markets in the league with quite possibly the smallest diehard fanbase in the entire league. The amount of Colts fans tomorrow in Miami will probably be dwarfed by the amount of Saints fans.
Stars make the markets nowadays, the markets don't make the stars. The Colts and Cavs were dead franchises before Manning and LeBron got there.
In this day and age you don't need to be in a big city to get "exposure". Moving to New York will increase LeBron's exposure little to if any. LeBron is already as big of a star as there is and he's doing it playing in one of the smallest markets, quite the feat. Just watch ESPN, it is LeBron central and in Cleveland no less. Is his popularity really going to rise that mich, even internationally, playing in New York? I doubt it.
You're kidding right? Then all this talk about him jumping ship would be pointless then and it would all be settled. Why? Because:
A) He's already on a championship caliber team (which is hotter than it's been all season)
B) The Cavs can offer him the most money
Given A and B are already true, why is he still mum on his options?He has no bargaining power because there is a salary cap. Obviously, he would come back to his team, and perhaps have them sign some more compliments to bring a trophy to the city.
Instead, he still is playing the field, coyly jerking the media and the fans around (which is cruel if he plans to stay the entire time...the fans have already through enough with free agents and their antics through dickhead Boozer) . This is because he's leaving. And if he's leaving, he's leaving for a reason. And since NY, nor any other team (except the Heat who would have to pull off a hell of a free agent signing campaign to keep Wade and get Lebron) can offer neither A nor B it must be because NY has something to offer.
You are undervaluing what a NY jersey means to a player: the NY market for media, fans, playing at MSG, and everything else that comes along with it. All are immensely valuable when compared to any other city outside of LA in the NBA (and maybe boston). This is all to great, and too valuable to pass up. Even more so if they win a ring this year because then he'll take it as challenge to take such a shitty team to championship heights.
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Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:
In this day and age you don't need to be in a big city to get "exposure". Moving to New York will increase LeBron's exposure little to if any. LeBron is already as big of a star as there is and he's doing it playing in one of the smallest markets, quite the feat. Just watch ESPN, it is LeBron central and in Cleveland no less. Is his popularity really going to rise that mich, even internationally, playing in New York? I doubt it.
You're kidding right? Then all this talk about him jumping ship would be pointless then and it would all be settled. Why? Because:
A) He's already on a championship caliber team (which is hotter than it's been all season)
B) The Cavs can offer him the most money
Given A and B are already true, why is he still mum on his options?He has no bargaining power because there is a salary cap. Obviously, he would come back to his team, and perhaps have them sign some more compliments to bring a trophy to the city.
Instead, he still is playing the field, coyly jerking the media and the fans around (which is cruel if he plans to stay the entire time...the fans have already through enough with free agents and their antics through dickhead Boozer) . This is because he's leaving. And if he's leaving, he's leaving for a reason. And since NY, nor any other team (except the Heat who would have to pull off a hell of a free agent signing campaign to keep Wade and get Lebron) can offer neither A nor B it must be because NY has something to offer.
You are undervaluing what a NY jersey means to a player: the NY market for media, fans, playing at MSG, and everything else that comes along with it. All are immensely valuable when compared to any other city outside of LA in the NBA (and maybe boston). This is all to great, and too valuable to pass up. Even more so if they win a ring this year because then he'll take it as challenge to take such a shitty team to championship heights.
If you want further proof that big stars don't need big markets anymore just look at tomorrows Super Bowl and some guy named Peyton Manning. Probably the biggest star in the game with all his greatness, endorsements, commercials, etc, etc, etc plays in one of the smallest markets in the league with quite possibly the smallest diehard fanbase in the entire league. The amount of Colts fans tomorrow in Miami will probably be dwarfed by the amount of Saints fans.
Stars make the markets nowadays, the markets don't make the stars. The Colts and Cavs were dead franchises before Manning and LeBron got there.
Bad example...the NFL is a completely different animal...Favre had been a mega-star for 2 decades in the smallest market in all of sports. That can only happen in the NFL.
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Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:
If you want further proof that big stars don't need big markets anymore just look at tomorrows Super Bowl and some guy named Peyton Manning. Probably the biggest star in the game with all his greatness, endorsements, commercials, etc, etc, etc plays in one of the smallest markets in the league with quite possibly the smallest diehard fanbase in the entire league. The amount of Colts fans tomorrow in Miami will probably be dwarfed by the amount of Saints fans.
Stars make the markets nowadays, the markets don't make the stars. The Colts and Cavs were dead franchises before Manning and LeBron got there.
Bad example...the NFL is a completely different animal...Favre had been a mega-star for 2 decades in the smallest market in all of sports. That can only happen in the NFL.
Have you ever been to Cleveland Ohio? Do you think the Mega- Star of an entire professional league wants to spend the rest of his NBA days in that desolate, crumbling, midwestern state?
FROM THE MAN THAT KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING, TAKE IT TO THE BANK...LMAO..
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
Have you ever been to Cleveland Ohio? Do you think the Mega- Star of an entire professional league wants to spend the rest of his NBA days in that desolate, crumbling, midwestern state?
FROM THE MAN THAT KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING, TAKE IT TO THE BANK...LMAO..
quick question, what was the NBA market in chicago before jordan?
so, with your logic, is wade leaving miami? he has been mum on the subject. bosh leaving toronta? ok bad example, bc i dont blame him.
lebron was drafted by an awful team and the organization has done what they can to build a team around him and it has taken this long. he knows how long it takes to build a championship caliber team (more on that below) and i can only assume he will not want to do it again. plus, i hear isiah thomas giving props to the knicks organization. like i would listen to that bum talk about a job he grab-assed and pilled his way out of.
as for the 'shitty team', i am humored by the use of 'shitty team' and 'championship' in reference to the same team.
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quick question, what was the NBA market in chicago before jordan?
so, with your logic, is wade leaving miami? he has been mum on the subject. bosh leaving toronta? ok bad example, bc i dont blame him.
lebron was drafted by an awful team and the organization has done what they can to build a team around him and it has taken this long. he knows how long it takes to build a championship caliber team (more on that below) and i can only assume he will not want to do it again. plus, i hear isiah thomas giving props to the knicks organization. like i would listen to that bum talk about a job he grab-assed and pilled his way out of.
as for the 'shitty team', i am humored by the use of 'shitty team' and 'championship' in reference to the same team.
quick question, what was the NBA market in chicago before jordan?
so, with your logic, is wade leaving miami? he has been mum on the subject. bosh leaving toronta? ok bad example, bc i dont blame him.
lebron was drafted by an awful team and the organization has done what they can to build a team around him and it has taken this long. he knows how long it takes to build a championship caliber team (more on that below) and i can only assume he will not want to do it again. plus, i hear isiah thomas giving props to the knicks organization. like i would listen to that bum talk about a job he grab-assed and pilled his way out of.
as for the 'shitty team', i am humored by the use of 'shitty team' and 'championship' in reference to the same team.
We're now going to travel back in time a quarter century and compare media markets and corporate sponsorships and player salaries to when Jordan was drafted?
I hope your humored further to know one of the shittiest teams in the league drafted Tim Duncan and went on to win four championships and minus Tim Donaghy and a Robert Horry Three, could have been the Team of the Decade. Shitty can become great.
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Quote Originally Posted by gqfiji:
quick question, what was the NBA market in chicago before jordan?
so, with your logic, is wade leaving miami? he has been mum on the subject. bosh leaving toronta? ok bad example, bc i dont blame him.
lebron was drafted by an awful team and the organization has done what they can to build a team around him and it has taken this long. he knows how long it takes to build a championship caliber team (more on that below) and i can only assume he will not want to do it again. plus, i hear isiah thomas giving props to the knicks organization. like i would listen to that bum talk about a job he grab-assed and pilled his way out of.
as for the 'shitty team', i am humored by the use of 'shitty team' and 'championship' in reference to the same team.
We're now going to travel back in time a quarter century and compare media markets and corporate sponsorships and player salaries to when Jordan was drafted?
I hope your humored further to know one of the shittiest teams in the league drafted Tim Duncan and went on to win four championships and minus Tim Donaghy and a Robert Horry Three, could have been the Team of the Decade. Shitty can become great.
you have contradicted yourself several times here. you already pointed out that the salary doesnt matter. you also say that shitty can become great but you call the cavs shitty and championship caliber
is duncan not a mega star? is durant doomed or destined to go somewhere else? i can agree with the coporate endorsements, but his exposure will NOT expand in NY because he has been exposed to everyone, everywhere, unless you live under a rock.
all that aside, you truly think he wants to go to the knicks? not the jayz nets? though the record is obvious, i think the organization has more to offer. he has been very high on UK's wall and the nets will have a, what, 20% chance at him? i hear non-stop about the knicks and i see them only having MSG to offer and nothing else.
exposure and corporate or whatever else there is in new york, i can only see him wanting to win championships. now if he sees an opportunity to have a dynasty then i wouldnt blame him wherever he ends up. but its not a stage, or colors or city that he wants. he wants to be remembered as the best ever and that means rings. it doesnt mean taking 3yrs to build another championship caliber team.
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you have contradicted yourself several times here. you already pointed out that the salary doesnt matter. you also say that shitty can become great but you call the cavs shitty and championship caliber
is duncan not a mega star? is durant doomed or destined to go somewhere else? i can agree with the coporate endorsements, but his exposure will NOT expand in NY because he has been exposed to everyone, everywhere, unless you live under a rock.
all that aside, you truly think he wants to go to the knicks? not the jayz nets? though the record is obvious, i think the organization has more to offer. he has been very high on UK's wall and the nets will have a, what, 20% chance at him? i hear non-stop about the knicks and i see them only having MSG to offer and nothing else.
exposure and corporate or whatever else there is in new york, i can only see him wanting to win championships. now if he sees an opportunity to have a dynasty then i wouldnt blame him wherever he ends up. but its not a stage, or colors or city that he wants. he wants to be remembered as the best ever and that means rings. it doesnt mean taking 3yrs to build another championship caliber team.
was already so pissed with the halftime and saw the score go up to 23 early 3rd.
went out for a drive, got a text message from a friend that said "cavs up 8, 8 mins"
i went z0mg!!!!
i got home, saw the final of just 7. :)
hey, the cavs was an easy fade tonight, gais.
6W ATS. it's really seldom that a top tier team will get that big of a run. With everybody and their grandma betting on the favored team, Vegas would be going bankrupt.
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NYK was my lone play tonight. LoL.
was already so pissed with the halftime and saw the score go up to 23 early 3rd.
went out for a drive, got a text message from a friend that said "cavs up 8, 8 mins"
i went z0mg!!!!
i got home, saw the final of just 7. :)
hey, the cavs was an easy fade tonight, gais.
6W ATS. it's really seldom that a top tier team will get that big of a run. With everybody and their grandma betting on the favored team, Vegas would be going bankrupt.
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Good job bator.
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