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Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

NO, he can't pitch good in TX, and I don't know why people think he can. He can't pitch good in TX, so what, life goes on. He has a 7.33 career era their, that proves it.


Saying it over and over doesn't make it true

Also, dumb thread

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Steve_Holt:



Saying it over and over doesn't make it true

Also, dumb thread

No one made you read it dumbass. Plenty of other places for u.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NoWorries21:

No one made you read it dumbass. Plenty of other places for u.  


ok then

The guy says something in 5 different posts that isn't true and I'm the dumbass, That makes sense
 
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I don't get what you guys are saying. If you don't beat the Rays...you DON'T face the Yankees OR Giants so THOSE series are irrelevant.

I'm sorry but anyone who thinks any team is better WITHOUT Cliff Lee is delusional. There is a reason why both Yankee and Ranger fans were praying to god that he would go/stay with their team. It's because he's one of the top 3 pitchers in all of baseball.

End...Of...Story

 
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Cliff Lee, in 14 career starts, has a 5.07 career ERA in Arlington.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

I don't get what you guys are saying. If you don't beat the Rays...you DON'T face the Yankees OR Giants so THOSE series are irrelevant.

I'm sorry but anyone who thinks any team is better WITHOUT Cliff Lee is delusional. There is a reason why both Yankee and Ranger fans were praying to god that he would go/stay with their team. It's because he's one of the top 3 pitchers in all of baseball.

End...Of...Story



It really is that simple
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

Cliff Lee, in 14 career starts, has a 5.07 career ERA in Arlington.


And last year had a 3.01 era over 9 starts including a quality start in his only postseason appearance in Texas.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

NO, he can't pitch good in TX, and I don't know why people think he can. He can't pitch good in TX, so what, life goes on. He has a 7.33 career era their, that proves it.
  Who cares if he had a 7.33 era there? That can change at any moment especially with his talent. Prior to 2009 everyone said cc had bad playoff numbers, then he dominated in 2009 playoffs. Lee dominated the rays and yanks in the playoffs. Cliff lee is just nasty and to think they are worse off with him is real dumb
 
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All I was saying is the Rangers can win without him. That was proven last year. He is a great pitcher but AS I SAID BEFORE it unfolded and did not think he was worth the price for us here in Texas. I agree we would be better short term with him but woulda been bad decision to but all our eggs in that basket. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

I don't get what you guys are saying. If you don't beat the Rays...you DON'T face the Yankees OR Giants so THOSE series are irrelevant.

I'm sorry but anyone who thinks any team is better WITHOUT Cliff Lee is delusional. There is a reason why both Yankee and Ranger fans were praying to god that he would go/stay with their team. It's because he's one of the top 3 pitchers in all of baseball.

End...Of...Story

 

very true...just sounds like someone is bitter that his team couldn't resign cliff.  for ex.. if the rangers were to have signed him, rangers fans wouldnt say oh we don't want him he can't pitch in our park...My Phillies are glad to have him!!!

 
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very true...just sounds like someone is bitter that his team couldn't resign cliff.  for ex.. if the rangers were to have signed him, rangers fans wouldnt say oh we don't want him he can't pitch in our park...My Phillies are glad to have him!!!

You can have CLee, I'm sure he will win a lot games and do well in Philly. I hope to see ya'll in the WS and just hope CLee's turn is in TX during the series. He'll be fine in Philly, just don't think he would have been fine in TX. GL to ya
 
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Dumbest.  Thread.  Ever.

And Lance Berkman was right.  Texas is not going back ti the WS.
 
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Better WITHOUT Cliff Lee.....................
 
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Quote Originally Posted by FrankieNapp:

Better WITHOUT Cliff Lee.....................
YES, cause he can't pitch at Arlington. Have you seen his career stats their. Why can't you people see that, Cliff Lee can't pitch at Arlington. Tell you what, show me his games at Arlington, and then I will show you why I say this.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

Dumbest.  Thread.  Ever.

And Lance Berkman was right.  Texas is not going back ti the WS.
And this is a dumb thread why? Because Lance said "Texas will not be as good this year because they don't have Cliff Lee", right. Cliff Lee did not, and I know you people won't comprehend, ( understand )this, because you aren't intelligent enough to, WIN ANY GAMES for TX this past year. His final record was 0-1.
 
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Everyone remembers the Tampa series only, those games he won was at Tampa. He got shelled in Arlington by Baltimore, Yankees and Twins. His stats, 2010 3-2 2.92 era  2009  0-1 12.60 era 2008 1-0 10.80 era 2007 0-1 9.45 era, want more. 2006 1-0 2.50 era 2005 1-0 5.00 era and 2004 0-1 21.00 era. Yes, he wins a lot games in Arlington, and his record proves that, right.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

YES, cause he can't pitch at Arlington. Have you seen his career stats their. Why can't you people see that, Cliff Lee can't pitch at Arlington. Tell you what, show me his games at Arlington, and then I will show you why I say this.


3.01 era over 9 starts in Arlington last year. He can pitch just fine in Texas. He pitched way better in Arlington last year than he did away from Arlington. Quit looking at career numbers.
 
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Just like Osirus said about CC. His postseason numbers were horrible and then, in 2009, he turned it all around.

Just like Steve_Holt said...he had a 3.01 ERA over 9 starts in Arlington last season.

In 2008 and 2009, he went into Arlington and FACED the Rangers offense to get lit up. There's a difference between FACING the Rangers lineup and pitching WITH the Rangers lineup.

I don't exactly know why you keep throwing these career numbers out there. Who cares what he did from 2004-2007? Does it really matter than Mark Texiera had 7 RBIs against him in 2004? Or that Soriano had 4 RBIs in 2005. How about Marlon Byrd getting 5 RBIs against him in 2007? Does that really matter to you? It doesn't to me.

The point that is being made is that you claim that he pitched bad in Arlington based on his CAREER performance against the Rangers and completely look past his great numbers there in 2010. What about the point I made where he spared the bullpen when he went 8+ innings in 10 of his 20 overall starts (14 times he went at least 7)? Is that not important? What would his replacement have done? That's right...his replacement would have been the 5th starter as everyone else moves up.

What about the fact that the Rangers were 5-2 with him on the mound against a divisional opponent where he posted a 2.03 ERA. I'd love a pitcher who owns the Rays, Red Sox, Orioles and Jays in the Yankees' rotation.

 
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ANY team is better with Cliff Lee.  Period.

It's one thing to argue that he wasn't worth spending 150 million or whatever because they can spend it on other needs, that's an acceptable argument.  But it's not acceptable to say that Texas (or ANY team) would not be improved by having him in their rotation.  That's just plain retarded.  Simple as that.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

ANY team is better with Cliff Lee.  Period.

It's one thing to argue that he wasn't worth spending 150 million or whatever because they can spend it on other needs, that's an acceptable argument.  But it's not acceptable to say that Texas (or ANY team) would not be improved by having him in their rotation.  That's just plain retarded.  Simple as that.



 
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Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

Anyway you guys want to spin it. C.Lee did not win a single game for the Rangers this past season. Those are straight facts, he was 7-8
looks like he won 7 games for them to me.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NickyEyes:

looks like he won 7 games for them to me.

And the way I see it is that Feldman or Harden (whoever would have pitched for him) would have won less.

 
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It sucks when you get to the World series and lose (as a fan) because you get the taste, but Texas is the Tigers of a few years ago they won't see the world series again in awhile......Fat Elvis is right
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NickyEyes:

looks like he won 7 games for them to me.
Yes, he won 7 games, but he was not 7-0, he lost 8. So ACTUALLY he did not win a single game last year for TX. I know it's kinda hard to some of you guys to understand that.
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

Yes, he won 7 games, but he was not 7-0, he lost 8. So ACTUALLY he did not win a single game last year for TX. I know it's kinda hard to some of you guys to understand that.



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