Quote Originally Posted by MWC:
Hey ww, I don't know about any words of wisdom, but I can give you my frank opinion.
One doesn't start out being a slimeball, and one might not even be a slimeball as a person, but the cutthroat nature of the way these companies are set up will eventually do it to you.
First, the whole thing is set on the premise of "billabilty." As in, you don't really work for Black & Veetch or Baker Corp or CH2MHill, or whoever - you work for the client. Every second you're at work must be billable to a client. As in, the company
does not want to pay you!! Not only do they not want to, they
won't. You'll be laid off or fired in a New York second if you don't reach your billabilty quota.
So, what this creates is a cutthroat, every man for himself mentality. There is NO teamwork. There is no professional courtesy. It creates an awesome work environment. Everyone is on their own. Not only must all your hours be billable to the client, you're also responsible for
getting your own work. Yes, that's right, you have to go out on your own basically and obtain jobs and contracts. But because of the billabilty issue, you can't really do this on company time (because they don't really want to pay). So, when do you do it?? Right, think about it. It's fucked.
I'm only scratching the surface. Basically, all these companies do is give you the necessary phyiscal vehicles to get the job done...an office, IT support, clerical support, etc. So say you are a gung-motherfucking-ho, cutthroat asshole engineer and you're kicking ass left and right....but what's that do? Nothing. In the end, you'll be no better off than you were at the beginning. Besides having health problems, marriage issues and fucked up kids because you're stressed 110% of time and you work 70+ hours a week, every week, every year.
That's not even mentioning mixing all of this with the competative and arrogant nature of most engineers. Have fun.

you asked.
ha what a bleak future you paint for me.

. i'm assuming you have an engineering degree. do you have a PE? where would you go to work. i already know i dont want to do engr for the rest of my life but while the market is as such it might be the best way to get a job (plus i love all the math and science that i learn). also if what you say is true, and you had to do it all over again, what would you do out of school? the following are assumptions ive made but they could be wrong
-i mean you can't do engineering in any independent form until you get a PE and that takes 4 years in my state plus passing the tests.
-obtaining a government job could be difficult as i hear the security clearences are hard to obtain.
so what would you do if you just graduated?