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If vaccines protect the vaccinated, why is there a political push for mandatory vax for all in various settings? I don’t understand the medical rationale.

 
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In pandemics, an infection anywhere is an infection everywhere.   Vaccines protect both vaccinated and non-vaccinated people by building immunity and reducing virus spread.  If over 70% of population is vaccinated, herd immunity reduces risk of virus spread to people without immunity.  Vaccines can substantially reduce number of cases, hospitalizations and deaths.   Without vaccines, infection of entire US population probably result in millions of deaths.

 
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If you get vaccinated and you are protected, why do you care if another person gets vaccinated or not? 

If a person already had the virus, why would that person get vaccinated? 

Why are we not including people that already had the virus in the immune numbers? 

 
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"Why are we not including people that already had the virus in the immune numbers?"

My educated guess, FWIW, is that the measure of antibodies test is much more coin than the vaccine itself.  Personal experience had me experiencing severe muscle aches for a full 3 weeks last year.  I got tested eventually but it came back negative.  As long as I'm still feeling OK then I believe I'll pass on the actual vaccine choices.  That's one of the trends of this wicked virus is that some people's system develops enough antibodies but leaves other people severely vulnerable.

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"According to a global tracker, officials have reported fewer than 50 substantiated cases of reinfection worldwide, including five cases in the United States."

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that 0.03%, or 1,266, of the more than 4 million people who have received the first dose of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine experienced adverse events.

So, basically, there is no medical rational.  It is entirely a political ploy.  The chance of side effects from a vaccine is much, much higher than the reinfection rate with these numbers. 

Again, showing that Liberals do not really care about 'following the science'.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

If you get vaccinated and you are protected, why do you care if another person gets vaccinated or not?  If a person already had the virus, why would that person get vaccinated?  Why are we not including people that already had the virus in the immune numbers?

Problem is that natural immunity from infection is unreliable.  Not everyone develops immunity.  Strength and duration of protection can vary.  Vaccines offer safer and more reliable immunity than natural infections.  So doctors still recommend vaccination even for people previously infected.

 
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 Again, just because YOU had a vaccination and now feel great DOES NOT GUARANTEE you CANNOT PASS the flu to someone else.  Or that your antibodies can fight off another attack upon YOU.

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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

"According to a global tracker, officials have reported fewer than 50 substantiated cases of reinfection worldwide, including five cases in the United States." The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that 0.03%, or 1,266, of the more than 4 million people who have received the first dose of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine experienced adverse events. So, basically, there is no medical rational.  It is entirely a political ploy.  The chance of side effects from a vaccine is much, much higher than the reinfection rate with these numbers.  Again, showing that Liberals do not really care about 'following the science'.

I don't see the reality of this push to furthur life expectancy 

Why the narrative that we need people to live longer? For what purpose? To stroke a primal notion that our benevolent association of rulers care for commoners 

It seems like a big spell of propaganda.  

If we can't produce the food needed

this over population concern and more drones less workers the exact policies being implemented.

If you work you actually recieve less than going on the dole and taking unemployment benefits.

will lead to population collapse.

As if it was a bee hive without a queen and colony collapse. 

Or Over population of deer herd in the midwest. 

 
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Problem is that natural immunity from infection is unreliable.  Not everyone develops immunity.  Strength and duration of protection can vary.  Vaccines offer safer and more reliable immunity than natural infections.  So doctors still recommend vaccination even for people previously infected.

What are you using to define what is unreliable vs what is reliable? 

There has been 130,000,000 Covid cases worldwide. How many of the 130,000,000 have been infected twice? 

Whats your source showing why vaccines offer more reliable immunity than natural infection? 

 
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What is your explanation as to what is going on?peace_5

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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

@Raiders22  Again, just because YOU had a vaccination and now feel great DOES NOT GUARANTEE you CANNOT PASS the flu to someone else.  Or that your antibodies can fight off another attack upon YOU.

For example?

Sure -- you have this from time to time.  For example, the Mumps outbreak some years back.  Then there has been a meningitis situation from time to time.  Etc., etc.  But nothing that we advocate keeping safeguards in place even after vaccination.  For example, no one is overly worried about their kids getting measles at school. 

So, why do we have this great concern about Wuhan?  Are we not confident in these vaccinations? 

And again, what are your examples of a completely vaccinated person passing Wuhan along?  Even if you have a completely documented case here and there out of multiple millions that have been vaccinated -- is that enough reason to KEEP doing the 'safeguards'? 

My contention is absolutely not. 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

  Whats your source showing why vaccines offer more reliable immunity than natural infection?

According to US center for disease control, vaccine benefits far outweigh risks.  Vaccines are designed to be safer and more effective than natural infection. Stronger immune response and longer lasting protection.  Problem is that infection increases risks of suffering, hospitalization and deaths.  In contrast, almost 90% of vaccine side effects are non-serious, mild and temporary.  No proof covid vaccines cause any deaths according to Vaccine adverse event reporting system.  Vaccines offer extra protection for people already infected.  In New England journal of medicine, one study found vaccination after infection produces six times higher level of anti-bodies.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

@Raiders22  Again, just because YOU had a vaccination and now feel great DOES NOT GUARANTEE you CANNOT PASS the flu to someone else.  Or that your antibodies can fight off another attack upon YOU.

Thegoldengoose is right.  No vaccine provides 100% efficacy.  Older people are harder to vaccinate because of aging immune system.  Any approved vaccine must protect against disease but not all vaccines can prevent virus transmission.  Public health experts still recommend masks and other safety practices since herd immunity hasn't been achieved yet.

 
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Yep--pretty sure that has been covered ad nauseam. 

That is no longer the point being discussed.  peace_5

 
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:   Whats your source showing why vaccines offer more reliable immunity than natural infection? According to US center for disease control, vaccine benefits far outweigh risks.  Vaccines are designed to be safer and more effective than natural infection. Stronger immune response and longer lasting protection.  Problem is that infection increases risks of suffering, hospitalization and deaths.  In contrast, almost 90% of vaccine side effects are non-serious, mild and temporary.  No proof covid vaccines cause any deaths according to Vaccine adverse event reporting system.  Vaccines offer extra protection for people already infected.  In New England journal of medicine, one study found vaccination after infection produces six times higher level of anti-bodies.

Lots of fluff in here. 

the question is simple. 

Why are we not counting people who have had the virus as immune? 

Of the 130,000,000 or so people that have had the virus, how many got it a 2nd time? 

 
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It’s amazing the difference between standards for what it takes for a death to be contributed to the vaccine vs what it takes for a death to be contributed to the virus. 

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Why are we not counting people who have had the virus as immune?  Of the 130,000,000 or so people that have had the virus, how many got it a 2nd time?

Covid immune population is already being counted.  According to Statista, over 30% of US population is covid immune with most immunity acquired from infections.  In the future, majority of people is expected to become immune through vaccination.  Most people who recover from infections are likely to be immune for several months.  Reinfections are rare.  But survivors are likely to be high risk carriers in spreading virus, so mask wearing is still necessary to protect others.  Besides,  immunity doesn't last forever.  Also it is possible that immune response to one virus may be less effective against a variant.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

It’s amazing the difference between standards for what it takes for a death to be contributed to the vaccine vs what it takes for a death to be contributed to the virus.

Anyone can report a death to Vaccine adverse event reporting system.  But investigations often reveal deaths as coincidental and unrelated to vaccination.  Despite lack of evidence, anti-vaxers blame vaccines for deaths caused by pre-existing medical conditions.  However local doctors counting covid deaths are more accurate.

 
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Maybe the vaccine is like the new Air Jordans

Comparable ? Sort of bitcch

for every assshole wearin’ em the more the classless masses adore ‘em what gives ?

Incorrigible like morphine the buzz brings

addiction and thrills

cataclysmic prediction premonition status kills

you can hop on the train as they pop the throttle and wobble your brain

boggled the same

As John Wayne Bobbitt watching his cocck in Lorraine’s

hand

just before it got cut

a Samson transcript performed on some dust ......

 
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Why are we not counting people who have had the virus as immune?  Of the 130,000,000 or so people that have had the virus, how many got it a 2nd time? Covid immune population is already being counted.  According to Statista, over 30% of US population is covid immune with most immunity acquired from infections.  In the future, majority of people is expected to become immune through vaccination.  Most people who recover from infections are likely to be immune for several months.  Reinfections are rare.  But survivors are likely to be high risk carriers in spreading virus, so mask wearing is still necessary to protect others.  Besides,  immunity doesn't last forever.  Also it is possible that immune response to one virus may be less effective against a variant.

You’re saying people that have had the virus are considered immune but they should also get the vaccine to get even more immune? 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: It’s amazing the difference between standards for what it takes for a death to be contributed to the vaccine vs what it takes for a death to be contributed to the virus. Anyone can report a death to Vaccine adverse event reporting system.  But investigations often reveal deaths as coincidental and unrelated to vaccination.  Despite lack of evidence, anti-vaxers blame vaccines for deaths caused by pre-existing medical conditions.  However local doctors counting covid deaths are more accurate.

 

It seems as if the criteria used for Covid deaths is very different than the criteria used for vaccine deaths. 

Why is that? 

 
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 "As John Wayne Bobbitt watching his cocck in Lorraine’s

hand

just before it got cut"

Spock is my go to guy for remembering good jokes!!!

After that biatch cut Bobbitt's cocck off she ran to they car with it and was down the road in split seconds.  She soon got caught in slow traffic and had time to think.  "Gotta get rid of the evidence" and heaved it out the top of her convertible.  The cocck promptly splattered on the windshield of the trailing car driven by and old man and his even older passenger wife.  About ten seconds go by and the cocck slides off the windshield.  Another 20 seconds go by and the old woman finally blurts out, "Holy Fukk Fred !!!  Did you see the size of the cocck on that bug !!!"

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Well ted Bundy once inquired of loraine bobbit ... are you gonna eat that?

I suggest slow boil with some sauerkraut a touch of horse radish to truly enjoy keibasa see  ( polish sausage. )

 
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Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

Well ted Bundy once inquired of loraine bobbit ... are you gonna eat that? I suggest slow boil with some sauerkraut a touch of horse radish to truly enjoy keibasa see  ( polish sausage. )

Just curious what the wine pairing would be for that feast?

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offtopic Sorry Detox.  You may please proceed sir.

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