I saw that Lance hired a criminal defense attorney to help him w/ allegations of fraud and another charge I cannot remember in front of a grand jury. I have to think it relates to steroids, HGH, or some blood infusion bullshit.
Does this guy really think we believe him anymore??? Name 1 American athlete (other than my hero's Jerry Rice and Peyton Manning) who you would say didn't use PED's. I am so sick of LANCE and his I'm better than you bullshit, DUDE YOU'RE A FUCKING CHEAT, and I have ZERO doubt about that. I hate cycling as much as I'm sick of Lance, but c'mon don't make this jack-off a celebrity or marketing icon because he just found a way to hide his shit. I'm sorry Lance but I have a sneaking suspicion that you hide behind some cancer "effect" as an excuse while your ass is as guilty as Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, Clemens, A-rod, Pettite, Sosa, Mcguire, and your excuse will look worse now that Dumbfuck Houston Texan Brian Cushing got slapped hard in the media claiming a testicular growth made his tests positive, eventhough he'd been using since a freshman in HS.
Just get the fuck out while you can claim a little dignity, cuz your fame is about to turn to infame!
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I saw that Lance hired a criminal defense attorney to help him w/ allegations of fraud and another charge I cannot remember in front of a grand jury. I have to think it relates to steroids, HGH, or some blood infusion bullshit.
Does this guy really think we believe him anymore??? Name 1 American athlete (other than my hero's Jerry Rice and Peyton Manning) who you would say didn't use PED's. I am so sick of LANCE and his I'm better than you bullshit, DUDE YOU'RE A FUCKING CHEAT, and I have ZERO doubt about that. I hate cycling as much as I'm sick of Lance, but c'mon don't make this jack-off a celebrity or marketing icon because he just found a way to hide his shit. I'm sorry Lance but I have a sneaking suspicion that you hide behind some cancer "effect" as an excuse while your ass is as guilty as Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, Clemens, A-rod, Pettite, Sosa, Mcguire, and your excuse will look worse now that Dumbfuck Houston Texan Brian Cushing got slapped hard in the media claiming a testicular growth made his tests positive, eventhough he'd been using since a freshman in HS.
Just get the fuck out while you can claim a little dignity, cuz your fame is about to turn to infame!
That felt good to get off my chest, and when Lance goes down think of me getting off the entire time! I now know why those Frenchy people hated this fucking person, we shouldn't let him be a so-called American Icon to the rest of the world, we're just asking for humiliation.
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That felt good to get off my chest, and when Lance goes down think of me getting off the entire time! I now know why those Frenchy people hated this fucking person, we shouldn't let him be a so-called American Icon to the rest of the world, we're just asking for humiliation.
While there has never been any proof/evidence that Lance has cheated, I find it hard to believe that he could dominate a sport that has been packed with drug cheats for as long as he has,
Winning Le Tour that often while up against multiple drug cheats raises a shitload of red flags to me. You only have to cast your mind back to that stage that Floyd Landis won in ridiculous fashion in the tour that he won and was then later found to have tested positive in. Landis blew the field away in Armstrong like fashion.
I think it is impossible for a clean athlete to dominate a sport as much as Lance did when up against so many drug cheats. If he was truly clean then he could lay claim to being the greatest athlete that ever walked the planet. Not only is Lance up against the best of the best in his field, but many of these best are drug cheats. If he dominated them while clean then that is truly phenomenal.
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While there has never been any proof/evidence that Lance has cheated, I find it hard to believe that he could dominate a sport that has been packed with drug cheats for as long as he has,
Winning Le Tour that often while up against multiple drug cheats raises a shitload of red flags to me. You only have to cast your mind back to that stage that Floyd Landis won in ridiculous fashion in the tour that he won and was then later found to have tested positive in. Landis blew the field away in Armstrong like fashion.
I think it is impossible for a clean athlete to dominate a sport as much as Lance did when up against so many drug cheats. If he was truly clean then he could lay claim to being the greatest athlete that ever walked the planet. Not only is Lance up against the best of the best in his field, but many of these best are drug cheats. If he dominated them while clean then that is truly phenomenal.
He may or may not have cheated, but Floyd Landis is a compulsive liar and Greg LeMond is a whiny shit (who was also a massive cheat too). Time for them to put up or shut up.
His "celebrity" has raised $200 million for cancer research, a lot more then your patethic ass
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He may or may not have cheated, but Floyd Landis is a compulsive liar and Greg LeMond is a whiny shit (who was also a massive cheat too). Time for them to put up or shut up.
His "celebrity" has raised $200 million for cancer research, a lot more then your patethic ass
While there has never been any proof/evidence that Lance has cheated, I find it hard to believe that he could dominate a sport that has been packed with drug cheats for as long as he has,
Winning Le Tour that often while up against multiple drug cheats raises a shitload of red flags to me. You only have to cast your mind back to that stage that Floyd Landis won in ridiculous fashion in the tour that he won and was then later found to have tested positive in. Landis blew the field away in Armstrong like fashion.
I think it is impossible for a clean athlete to dominate a sport as much as Lance did when up against so many drug cheats. If he was truly clean then he could lay claim to being the greatest athlete that ever walked the planet. Not only is Lance up against the best of the best in his field, but many of these best are drug cheats. If he dominated them while clean then that is truly phenomenal.
Preach On
Your comment couldn't be more true, and really the backbone of my argument w/out saying as much. But when you put it that way then why isn't Lance standing on the top of mtn's claiming he is the greatest, or to that fact how about the rest of the cyclers who should be amazed by that success vs. all the dopers. Lance you're not better than any other doper cyclist.
Farque...You are the definition of DUMB-FUCKING DICKHEAD. I've actually helped some cancer patients lives SO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THAT CAUSE?? Douchebag. My dad is dying because of it right now so my concern for cancer is not relevant...Regardless what does him helping cancer do regarding him being a fucking cheat and fraud. We have little bald kids who can be the face of cancer not some lying scumbag who is only going to go down in flames. It's a disaster that is going to happen, so the jist of my question is why are we letting it. Reel in the Lance love. I love your excuse "HE WAS A CHEAT TOO" which may work for kids but adults . He knew better and cheated w/ all of them, maybe he had to just to survive in the sport, regardless get off the high horse. Barry Bonds finally became humble and most have forgotten about him...Why doesn't Lance do the same and just slip off in the night w/ the rest of the "2 DECADES OF CHEATS" I grew up admiring.
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Quote Originally Posted by Syddigs:
While there has never been any proof/evidence that Lance has cheated, I find it hard to believe that he could dominate a sport that has been packed with drug cheats for as long as he has,
Winning Le Tour that often while up against multiple drug cheats raises a shitload of red flags to me. You only have to cast your mind back to that stage that Floyd Landis won in ridiculous fashion in the tour that he won and was then later found to have tested positive in. Landis blew the field away in Armstrong like fashion.
I think it is impossible for a clean athlete to dominate a sport as much as Lance did when up against so many drug cheats. If he was truly clean then he could lay claim to being the greatest athlete that ever walked the planet. Not only is Lance up against the best of the best in his field, but many of these best are drug cheats. If he dominated them while clean then that is truly phenomenal.
Preach On
Your comment couldn't be more true, and really the backbone of my argument w/out saying as much. But when you put it that way then why isn't Lance standing on the top of mtn's claiming he is the greatest, or to that fact how about the rest of the cyclers who should be amazed by that success vs. all the dopers. Lance you're not better than any other doper cyclist.
Farque...You are the definition of DUMB-FUCKING DICKHEAD. I've actually helped some cancer patients lives SO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THAT CAUSE?? Douchebag. My dad is dying because of it right now so my concern for cancer is not relevant...Regardless what does him helping cancer do regarding him being a fucking cheat and fraud. We have little bald kids who can be the face of cancer not some lying scumbag who is only going to go down in flames. It's a disaster that is going to happen, so the jist of my question is why are we letting it. Reel in the Lance love. I love your excuse "HE WAS A CHEAT TOO" which may work for kids but adults . He knew better and cheated w/ all of them, maybe he had to just to survive in the sport, regardless get off the high horse. Barry Bonds finally became humble and most have forgotten about him...Why doesn't Lance do the same and just slip off in the night w/ the rest of the "2 DECADES OF CHEATS" I grew up admiring.
1 more thing Farque, Your argument sounds a hell of alot like Tim Herman's (Lance's Lawyer) who said "Landis is a confessed perjurer and he is a liar, etc.."
I think lawyer speak is pretty obvious. Well we can't deny it, but the guy saying it has no credibility (He may be true)...Fuck that, like I said earlier I give Lance no extra props for avoiding detection longer, if the roles were reversed Landis would be my So-Called Scum. He is a fucking cheat that is the beginning-middle-end of my argument. Just don't act like he isn't.
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1 more thing Farque, Your argument sounds a hell of alot like Tim Herman's (Lance's Lawyer) who said "Landis is a confessed perjurer and he is a liar, etc.."
I think lawyer speak is pretty obvious. Well we can't deny it, but the guy saying it has no credibility (He may be true)...Fuck that, like I said earlier I give Lance no extra props for avoiding detection longer, if the roles were reversed Landis would be my So-Called Scum. He is a fucking cheat that is the beginning-middle-end of my argument. Just don't act like he isn't.
He may or may not have cheated, but Floyd Landis is a compulsive liar and Greg LeMond is a whiny shit (who was also a massive cheat too). Time for them to put up or shut up.
His "celebrity" has raised $200 million for cancer research, a lot more then your patethic ass
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Quote Originally Posted by FarQue:
He may or may not have cheated, but Floyd Landis is a compulsive liar and Greg LeMond is a whiny shit (who was also a massive cheat too). Time for them to put up or shut up.
His "celebrity" has raised $200 million for cancer research, a lot more then your patethic ass
Landis is a rider with no guts. It's easy to say that Armstrong used stuff because he doesn't have any proof except his word. Show Landis the money and he'll say elephants can fly. Landis couldn't carry Armstrongs jockstrap so he should shut up.
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Landis is a rider with no guts. It's easy to say that Armstrong used stuff because he doesn't have any proof except his word. Show Landis the money and he'll say elephants can fly. Landis couldn't carry Armstrongs jockstrap so he should shut up.
I saw that Lance hired a criminal defense attorney to help him w/ allegations of fraud and another charge I cannot remember in front of a grand jury. I have to think it relates to steroids, HGH, or some blood infusion bullshit.
Does this guy really think we believe him anymore??? Name 1 American athlete (other than my hero's Jerry Rice and Peyton Manning) who you would say didn't use PED's. I am so sick of LANCE and his I'm better than you bullshit, DUDE YOU'RE A FUCKING CHEAT, and I have ZERO doubt about that. I hate cycling as much as I'm sick of Lance, but c'mon don't make this jack-off a celebrity or marketing icon because he just found a way to hide his shit. I'm sorry Lance but I have a sneaking suspicion that you hide behind some cancer "effect" as an excuse while your ass is as guilty as Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, Clemens, A-rod, Pettite, Sosa, Mcguire, and your excuse will look worse now that Dumbfuck Houston Texan Brian Cushing got slapped hard in the media claiming a testicular growth made his tests positive, eventhough he'd been using since a freshman in HS.
Just get the fuck out while you can claim a little dignity, cuz your fame is about to turn to infame!
Thats the biggest shame about the whole PED era, everyone is now gulty until proven innocent. There are plenty of great athletes who worked there ass off to get where they were/are without using PEDs, but they will be lumped in with the rest. That must be infuriating to the clean guys.
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Quote Originally Posted by mwhit82:
I saw that Lance hired a criminal defense attorney to help him w/ allegations of fraud and another charge I cannot remember in front of a grand jury. I have to think it relates to steroids, HGH, or some blood infusion bullshit.
Does this guy really think we believe him anymore??? Name 1 American athlete (other than my hero's Jerry Rice and Peyton Manning) who you would say didn't use PED's. I am so sick of LANCE and his I'm better than you bullshit, DUDE YOU'RE A FUCKING CHEAT, and I have ZERO doubt about that. I hate cycling as much as I'm sick of Lance, but c'mon don't make this jack-off a celebrity or marketing icon because he just found a way to hide his shit. I'm sorry Lance but I have a sneaking suspicion that you hide behind some cancer "effect" as an excuse while your ass is as guilty as Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, Clemens, A-rod, Pettite, Sosa, Mcguire, and your excuse will look worse now that Dumbfuck Houston Texan Brian Cushing got slapped hard in the media claiming a testicular growth made his tests positive, eventhough he'd been using since a freshman in HS.
Just get the fuck out while you can claim a little dignity, cuz your fame is about to turn to infame!
Thats the biggest shame about the whole PED era, everyone is now gulty until proven innocent. There are plenty of great athletes who worked there ass off to get where they were/are without using PEDs, but they will be lumped in with the rest. That must be infuriating to the clean guys.
Thats the biggest shame about the whole PED era, everyone is now gulty until proven innocent. There are plenty of great athletes who worked there ass off to get where they were/are without using PEDs, but they will be lumped in with the rest. That must be infuriating to the clean guys.
Well said. Until I see solid evidence showing positive for the use of PEDs, he's innocent in my books.
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Quote Originally Posted by squinta1:
Thats the biggest shame about the whole PED era, everyone is now gulty until proven innocent. There are plenty of great athletes who worked there ass off to get where they were/are without using PEDs, but they will be lumped in with the rest. That must be infuriating to the clean guys.
Well said. Until I see solid evidence showing positive for the use of PEDs, he's innocent in my books.
You can't do the Tour de France that fast in 3 weeks without some kind of doping. The average speed keeps improving every year. It's simply a question of who has the best doctor.
Lance didn't cheat - he just had the best doctors around him. Just like Indurain before him.
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You can't do the Tour de France that fast in 3 weeks without some kind of doping. The average speed keeps improving every year. It's simply a question of who has the best doctor.
Lance didn't cheat - he just had the best doctors around him. Just like Indurain before him.
But in all reality there is some truth to him using steroids due to his ball cancer. I am not sure about the leaglity while participating in a race tho.
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But in all reality there is some truth to him using steroids due to his ball cancer. I am not sure about the leaglity while participating in a race tho.
You have got to be pretty naive to think an athlete cleanly came back from cancer to win one of the most difficult challenges in sports not once but 7 times - In one of the dirtiest sports on earth. Big name after big name gets caught in all sports yet many still think Lance is clean.
In my opinion, he did nothing wrong by using peds. Drugs in sport today are a reality. If he came out and admitted it, he should be applauded for his honesty. That would obviously never happen and if he did admit it, he would be fed to wild pigs and that is sad.
One side is sure he cheated and wants him sent straight to Hell while the other says he is clean and has him ranked just under Jesus. If people weren't such a bunch of subjective, emotional bitches the sporting world would be a much better place.
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You have got to be pretty naive to think an athlete cleanly came back from cancer to win one of the most difficult challenges in sports not once but 7 times - In one of the dirtiest sports on earth. Big name after big name gets caught in all sports yet many still think Lance is clean.
In my opinion, he did nothing wrong by using peds. Drugs in sport today are a reality. If he came out and admitted it, he should be applauded for his honesty. That would obviously never happen and if he did admit it, he would be fed to wild pigs and that is sad.
One side is sure he cheated and wants him sent straight to Hell while the other says he is clean and has him ranked just under Jesus. If people weren't such a bunch of subjective, emotional bitches the sporting world would be a much better place.
I have nothing personal against Lance, I really could care less what he does w/ the rest of his life (Although that 200 million in Cancer reseach may actually help Me) so keep raising $$ but do it quietly. I will feel shortchanged if some evidence doesn't come out, but I think the proof is in the #'s.
I understand PED's have been a part of sports for decades, hell I might have dabbed in them myself if I really thought it would have helped take my game to the next level. Lance just doesn't pass the Smell Test anymore.
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I have nothing personal against Lance, I really could care less what he does w/ the rest of his life (Although that 200 million in Cancer reseach may actually help Me) so keep raising $$ but do it quietly. I will feel shortchanged if some evidence doesn't come out, but I think the proof is in the #'s.
I understand PED's have been a part of sports for decades, hell I might have dabbed in them myself if I really thought it would have helped take my game to the next level. Lance just doesn't pass the Smell Test anymore.
I saw that Lance hired a criminal defense attorney to help him w/ allegations of fraud and another charge I cannot remember in front of a grand jury. I have to think it relates to steroids, HGH, or some blood infusion bullshit.
Does this guy really think we believe him anymore??? Name 1 American athlete (other than my hero's Jerry Rice and Peyton Manning) who you would say didn't use PED's. I am so sick of LANCE and his I'm better than you bullshit, DUDE YOU'RE A FUCKING CHEAT, and I have ZERO doubt about that. I hate cycling as much as I'm sick of Lance, but c'mon don't make this jack-off a celebrity or marketing icon because he just found a way to hide his shit. I'm sorry Lance but I have a sneaking suspicion that you hide behind some cancer "effect" as an excuse while your ass is as guilty as Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, Clemens, A-rod, Pettite, Sosa, Mcguire, and your excuse will look worse now that Dumbfuck Houston Texan Brian Cushing got slapped hard in the media claiming a testicular growth made his tests positive, eventhough he'd been using since a freshman in HS.
Just get the fuck out while you can claim a little dignity, cuz your fame is about to turn to infame!
Chipper Jones.
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Quote Originally Posted by mwhit82:
I saw that Lance hired a criminal defense attorney to help him w/ allegations of fraud and another charge I cannot remember in front of a grand jury. I have to think it relates to steroids, HGH, or some blood infusion bullshit.
Does this guy really think we believe him anymore??? Name 1 American athlete (other than my hero's Jerry Rice and Peyton Manning) who you would say didn't use PED's. I am so sick of LANCE and his I'm better than you bullshit, DUDE YOU'RE A FUCKING CHEAT, and I have ZERO doubt about that. I hate cycling as much as I'm sick of Lance, but c'mon don't make this jack-off a celebrity or marketing icon because he just found a way to hide his shit. I'm sorry Lance but I have a sneaking suspicion that you hide behind some cancer "effect" as an excuse while your ass is as guilty as Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, Clemens, A-rod, Pettite, Sosa, Mcguire, and your excuse will look worse now that Dumbfuck Houston Texan Brian Cushing got slapped hard in the media claiming a testicular growth made his tests positive, eventhough he'd been using since a freshman in HS.
Just get the fuck out while you can claim a little dignity, cuz your fame is about to turn to infame!
Not sure why these guys keep coming out of the wood work to accuse Armstrong of cheating. Whats the point at this stage? The guy is not winning anymore at this point of his career, he won 7 in a row with all of France trying to bust him and couldnt. From what it sounds like, all of these guys cheat big time in top level cyclng and I wouldnt be shocked Armstrong cheated as well. The key word being all or most of them cheat, so why bother with all this effort trying to point out and discredit one guy who isn't even a factor anymore
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Not sure why these guys keep coming out of the wood work to accuse Armstrong of cheating. Whats the point at this stage? The guy is not winning anymore at this point of his career, he won 7 in a row with all of France trying to bust him and couldnt. From what it sounds like, all of these guys cheat big time in top level cyclng and I wouldnt be shocked Armstrong cheated as well. The key word being all or most of them cheat, so why bother with all this effort trying to point out and discredit one guy who isn't even a factor anymore
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