Again this verdict shows what morons Americans are. In any other country she would have been convicted in two hours. Any jury that lets a monster like this off are nothing but idiots. The way these people think Charles Manson would never have been convicted today. I've been on jury duty many times and because of liberal "thinkers" we couldn't convict Ted Bundy today because there wasn't enough DNA connecting him to the crimes. Just another verdict that proves that we as Americans have devalued the lives of children because of abortion rights.
I think abortion would have been better for the child in this case...
To think that this murderer can have more children is just terrifying.
31 days - I have not seen any valid explanation to that.
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Quote Originally Posted by josbran:
Again this verdict shows what morons Americans are. In any other country she would have been convicted in two hours. Any jury that lets a monster like this off are nothing but idiots. The way these people think Charles Manson would never have been convicted today. I've been on jury duty many times and because of liberal "thinkers" we couldn't convict Ted Bundy today because there wasn't enough DNA connecting him to the crimes. Just another verdict that proves that we as Americans have devalued the lives of children because of abortion rights.
I think abortion would have been better for the child in this case...
To think that this murderer can have more children is just terrifying.
31 days - I have not seen any valid explanation to that.
Everyone who didn't like the verdict should get mad at the amateur detectives and D.A.'s office for not getting solid evidence! They should have flipped Casey's mom & father against her early in investigation. Really the juror got it right based on the evidence, no murder weapon, nobody saw her do it, can't even confirm if she was murdered
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Everyone who didn't like the verdict should get mad at the amateur detectives and D.A.'s office for not getting solid evidence! They should have flipped Casey's mom & father against her early in investigation. Really the juror got it right based on the evidence, no murder weapon, nobody saw her do it, can't even confirm if she was murdered
Here's an interesting story.. Mel Ignatow. https://tinyurl.com/3h3gexs
That man was acquitted of murdering his girlfriend and after the trial was over, a carpet layer was putting in new carpet in his home that someone recently bought. Aha! The carpet layer found, in a vent, a whole host of gruesome photos proving Ignatow's 100% guilt. Since there is a Double Jeopardy law in place, Ignatow could not be re-tried for this. However, he was charged with perjury and the judge gave him the max...10 years. When he got out, Ignatow had another perjury case slapped on him and he got 9 years.
The moral to this story?? Sure, she cannot be re-tried for the case, but when things start to settle down in their lives, someone is going to run at the mouth. Bam! She will end up back in the slammer.
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Here's an interesting story.. Mel Ignatow. https://tinyurl.com/3h3gexs
That man was acquitted of murdering his girlfriend and after the trial was over, a carpet layer was putting in new carpet in his home that someone recently bought. Aha! The carpet layer found, in a vent, a whole host of gruesome photos proving Ignatow's 100% guilt. Since there is a Double Jeopardy law in place, Ignatow could not be re-tried for this. However, he was charged with perjury and the judge gave him the max...10 years. When he got out, Ignatow had another perjury case slapped on him and he got 9 years.
The moral to this story?? Sure, she cannot be re-tried for the case, but when things start to settle down in their lives, someone is going to run at the mouth. Bam! She will end up back in the slammer.
I just realized who that DA Jeff Ashton looks like. He looks like a dead ringer for Illinois BB coach Bruce Webber. Except that Ashton has working vocal cords. And they make similar facial expressions while sitting and watching the proceedings.
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I just realized who that DA Jeff Ashton looks like. He looks like a dead ringer for Illinois BB coach Bruce Webber. Except that Ashton has working vocal cords. And they make similar facial expressions while sitting and watching the proceedings.
Beyond a "reasonable" doubt. Aliens.....I'd say that crosses the line of reasonable.
Detectives & DA's office didn't do their job!!! No murder weapon, nobody admitted to seeing her do anything, can't even confirm if death was murder or accident. Jury was right.....
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
Beyond a "reasonable" doubt. Aliens.....I'd say that crosses the line of reasonable.
Detectives & DA's office didn't do their job!!! No murder weapon, nobody admitted to seeing her do anything, can't even confirm if death was murder or accident. Jury was right.....
USA= worse justice system in the world...... I have always loved my country but I am VERY disappointed. UNREAL!!!!!
I really hope the above is merely a knee jerk reaction and/or hyperbole... anything beyond that makes you extremely ignorant. I will take a system that makes the government prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, where you are innocent to proven guilty, where they would rather have 100 guilty go free than 1 innocent rotting in jail than any other system. Please take just a few minutes and educate yourself on many other judicial systems before you make comments like this.
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Quote Originally Posted by MJ2177:
USA= worse justice system in the world...... I have always loved my country but I am VERY disappointed. UNREAL!!!!!
I really hope the above is merely a knee jerk reaction and/or hyperbole... anything beyond that makes you extremely ignorant. I will take a system that makes the government prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, where you are innocent to proven guilty, where they would rather have 100 guilty go free than 1 innocent rotting in jail than any other system. Please take just a few minutes and educate yourself on many other judicial systems before you make comments like this.
On what, ever here of double jeopardy......she is done, can't be tried again.
Good Lord I am not even beyond the second page and I find another ignorant statement. Do you know what double jeopardy is? Do you know what our appellant system is like? Do you know that if you appeal a verdict that the Court can only consider the transcripts of testimony and the evidence presented at trial. They have to find a reversible error under extremely difficult circumstances to allow for a mistrial to be declared and a new trial to be granted. If a mistrial is granted and a new trial is given then the first trial is like it never happened. However, given that indeed this went to a jury and a jury came back with a not guilty verdict I would be BEYOND shocked if an appellant court overturned the jury's decision and superceded with their own opinion. This would be a first to me but to say that double jeopardy attaches pending an appeal is very ignorant.
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Quote Originally Posted by madshooter72:
On what, ever here of double jeopardy......she is done, can't be tried again.
Good Lord I am not even beyond the second page and I find another ignorant statement. Do you know what double jeopardy is? Do you know what our appellant system is like? Do you know that if you appeal a verdict that the Court can only consider the transcripts of testimony and the evidence presented at trial. They have to find a reversible error under extremely difficult circumstances to allow for a mistrial to be declared and a new trial to be granted. If a mistrial is granted and a new trial is given then the first trial is like it never happened. However, given that indeed this went to a jury and a jury came back with a not guilty verdict I would be BEYOND shocked if an appellant court overturned the jury's decision and superceded with their own opinion. This would be a first to me but to say that double jeopardy attaches pending an appeal is very ignorant.
Good Lord I am not even beyond the second page and I find another ignorant statement. Do you know what double jeopardy is? Do you know what our appellant system is like? Do you know that if you appeal a verdict that the Court can only consider the transcripts of testimony and the evidence presented at trial. They have to find a reversible error under extremely difficult circumstances to allow for a mistrial to be declared and a new trial to be granted. If a mistrial is granted and a new trial is given then the first trial is like it never happened. However, given that indeed this went to a jury and a jury came back with a not guilty verdict I would be BEYOND shocked if an appellant court overturned the jury's decision and superceded with their own opinion. This would be a first to me but to say that double jeopardy attaches pending an appeal is very ignorant.
My bad, guess you can't read , Here you go.
And the worst thing is that Casey Anthony can never be retried for the murder of Caylee. Even if absolutely irrefutable evidence were to turn up or Anthony herself were to confess to the crime, the rule of double jeopardy applies. The rule of double jeopardy is a procedural defense that forbids a defendant from being tried again on the same or similar charges following a legitimate acquittal or conviction. The rule is designed to make sure the prosecution gets it right the first time.
If Casey were to tried again, she can plea that she had been legitimately acquitted by a court of the same offense, which sets out special reasons by which trial cannot go ahead. In many countries the guarantee against being "twice put in jeopardy" is a constitutional right; these include United States, Canada, Mexico, and India.
In fact, even if Casey chooses to make some money by confessing to her crime or write an OJ Simpson-style "If I Did It" type book nothing much can be done to convict her. Since Anthony was found not guilty, laws that prevent criminals from profiting from their crimes also do not apply. Casey Anthony can give paid interviews, pose for Playboy or simply tell everyone she killed her child, and the public will have to sit back and listen. Casey Anthony could potentially make millions of dollars in book, television and movie deals.
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Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:
Good Lord I am not even beyond the second page and I find another ignorant statement. Do you know what double jeopardy is? Do you know what our appellant system is like? Do you know that if you appeal a verdict that the Court can only consider the transcripts of testimony and the evidence presented at trial. They have to find a reversible error under extremely difficult circumstances to allow for a mistrial to be declared and a new trial to be granted. If a mistrial is granted and a new trial is given then the first trial is like it never happened. However, given that indeed this went to a jury and a jury came back with a not guilty verdict I would be BEYOND shocked if an appellant court overturned the jury's decision and superceded with their own opinion. This would be a first to me but to say that double jeopardy attaches pending an appeal is very ignorant.
My bad, guess you can't read , Here you go.
And the worst thing is that Casey Anthony can never be retried for the murder of Caylee. Even if absolutely irrefutable evidence were to turn up or Anthony herself were to confess to the crime, the rule of double jeopardy applies. The rule of double jeopardy is a procedural defense that forbids a defendant from being tried again on the same or similar charges following a legitimate acquittal or conviction. The rule is designed to make sure the prosecution gets it right the first time.
If Casey were to tried again, she can plea that she had been legitimately acquitted by a court of the same offense, which sets out special reasons by which trial cannot go ahead. In many countries the guarantee against being "twice put in jeopardy" is a constitutional right; these include United States, Canada, Mexico, and India.
In fact, even if Casey chooses to make some money by confessing to her crime or write an OJ Simpson-style "If I Did It" type book nothing much can be done to convict her. Since Anthony was found not guilty, laws that prevent criminals from profiting from their crimes also do not apply. Casey Anthony can give paid interviews, pose for Playboy or simply tell everyone she killed her child, and the public will have to sit back and listen. Casey Anthony could potentially make millions of dollars in book, television and movie deals.
Good Lord I am not even beyond the second page and I find another ignorant statement. Do you know what double jeopardy is? Do you know what our appellant system is like? Do you know that if you appeal a verdict that the Court can only consider the transcripts of testimony and the evidence presented at trial. They have to find a reversible error under extremely difficult circumstances to allow for a mistrial to be declared and a new trial to be granted. If a mistrial is granted and a new trial is given then the first trial is like it never happened. However, given that indeed this went to a jury and a jury came back with a not guilty verdict I would be BEYOND shocked if an appellant court overturned the jury's decision and superceded with their own opinion. This would be a first to me but to say that double jeopardy attaches pending an appeal is very ignorant.
I can answer that you do not know. Only a defendant can appeal a conviction. The prosecution can never appeal a not guilty verdict. Ever. Period. End of story.
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Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:
Good Lord I am not even beyond the second page and I find another ignorant statement. Do you know what double jeopardy is? Do you know what our appellant system is like? Do you know that if you appeal a verdict that the Court can only consider the transcripts of testimony and the evidence presented at trial. They have to find a reversible error under extremely difficult circumstances to allow for a mistrial to be declared and a new trial to be granted. If a mistrial is granted and a new trial is given then the first trial is like it never happened. However, given that indeed this went to a jury and a jury came back with a not guilty verdict I would be BEYOND shocked if an appellant court overturned the jury's decision and superceded with their own opinion. This would be a first to me but to say that double jeopardy attaches pending an appeal is very ignorant.
I can answer that you do not know. Only a defendant can appeal a conviction. The prosecution can never appeal a not guilty verdict. Ever. Period. End of story.
I can answer that you do not know. Only a defendant can appeal a conviction. The prosecution can never appeal a not guilty verdict. Ever. Period. End of story.
Is that state or federal, depeche? I find it hard to believe that the avenue of appeal is closed to one side but not to the other. There have to have been cases where evidence was excluded that shouldn't have been legally (or vice versa) and where the prosecution took the appeal. There has to be.
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
I can answer that you do not know. Only a defendant can appeal a conviction. The prosecution can never appeal a not guilty verdict. Ever. Period. End of story.
Is that state or federal, depeche? I find it hard to believe that the avenue of appeal is closed to one side but not to the other. There have to have been cases where evidence was excluded that shouldn't have been legally (or vice versa) and where the prosecution took the appeal. There has to be.
Is that state or federal, depeche? I find it hard to believe that the avenue of appeal is closed to one side but not to the other. There have to have been cases where evidence was excluded that shouldn't have been legally (or vice versa) and where the prosecution took the appeal. There has to be.
No. Unless I am completely crazy I believe the ONLY way a NG verdict can be set aside is if it wasn't actually a NG verdict -- if the verdict was not actually unanimous - e.g. there was a problem with the jury form, a juror comes forward and says he actually voted guilty...something crazy like that. That's why the jury is often polled. Not sure if they polled this jury. But other than that, I am pretty sure not guilty can never be overturned.
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
Is that state or federal, depeche? I find it hard to believe that the avenue of appeal is closed to one side but not to the other. There have to have been cases where evidence was excluded that shouldn't have been legally (or vice versa) and where the prosecution took the appeal. There has to be.
No. Unless I am completely crazy I believe the ONLY way a NG verdict can be set aside is if it wasn't actually a NG verdict -- if the verdict was not actually unanimous - e.g. there was a problem with the jury form, a juror comes forward and says he actually voted guilty...something crazy like that. That's why the jury is often polled. Not sure if they polled this jury. But other than that, I am pretty sure not guilty can never be overturned.
No. Unless I am completely crazy I believe the ONLY way a NG verdict can be set aside is if it wasn't actually a NG verdict -- if the verdict was not actually unanimous - e.g. there was a problem with the jury form, a juror comes forward and says he actually voted guilty...something crazy like that. That's why the jury is often polled. Not sure if they polled this jury. But other than that, I am pretty sure not guilty can never be overturned.
They did poll the jury, I watched a portion of it and turned it off at that point as they were doing the polling.
Very interesting from a legal point of view though. Why should the prosecution have to just eat it with no right to appeal on a bad evidentiary ruling for example? That just does not seem like it should be that way.
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
No. Unless I am completely crazy I believe the ONLY way a NG verdict can be set aside is if it wasn't actually a NG verdict -- if the verdict was not actually unanimous - e.g. there was a problem with the jury form, a juror comes forward and says he actually voted guilty...something crazy like that. That's why the jury is often polled. Not sure if they polled this jury. But other than that, I am pretty sure not guilty can never be overturned.
They did poll the jury, I watched a portion of it and turned it off at that point as they were doing the polling.
Very interesting from a legal point of view though. Why should the prosecution have to just eat it with no right to appeal on a bad evidentiary ruling for example? That just does not seem like it should be that way.
No. Unless I am completely crazy I believe the ONLY way a NG verdict can be set aside is if it wasn't actually a NG verdict -- if the verdict was not actually unanimous - e.g. there was a problem with the jury form, a juror comes forward and says he actually voted guilty...something crazy like that. That's why the jury is often polled. Not sure if they polled this jury. But other than that, I am pretty sure not guilty can never be overturned.
Interesting. There are law school cases where it has been overturned but I didn't know that was the process. Good to know. Hopefully I will never have to know personally as I can assure you I don't do a lick of criminal law (civil law only) so I will never find out professionally.
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
No. Unless I am completely crazy I believe the ONLY way a NG verdict can be set aside is if it wasn't actually a NG verdict -- if the verdict was not actually unanimous - e.g. there was a problem with the jury form, a juror comes forward and says he actually voted guilty...something crazy like that. That's why the jury is often polled. Not sure if they polled this jury. But other than that, I am pretty sure not guilty can never be overturned.
Interesting. There are law school cases where it has been overturned but I didn't know that was the process. Good to know. Hopefully I will never have to know personally as I can assure you I don't do a lick of criminal law (civil law only) so I will never find out professionally.
Interesting. There are law school cases where it has been overturned but I didn't know that was the process. Good to know. Hopefully I will never have to know personally as I can assure you I don't do a lick of criminal law (civil law only) so I will never find out professionally.
Guess that is why you throw out ignorant statements.....
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Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:
Interesting. There are law school cases where it has been overturned but I didn't know that was the process. Good to know. Hopefully I will never have to know personally as I can assure you I don't do a lick of criminal law (civil law only) so I will never find out professionally.
Guess that is why you throw out ignorant statements.....
With all due respect madshooter, you're probably barking up the wrong tree here. Even a lawyer who hasn't practiced a lick of criminal law will know leaps and bounds more about it than your average covers poster.
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With all due respect madshooter, you're probably barking up the wrong tree here. Even a lawyer who hasn't practiced a lick of criminal law will know leaps and bounds more about it than your average covers poster.
Guess that is why you throw out ignorant statements.....
My comment was when double jeopardy attaches. Clearly she can be tried again but very hard for that to happen. I knew there was a way just didn't know the process but as I mentioned in my post and depeche mentioned in his post EXTREMELY rare instances. Remember I said I would be SHOCKED if she was retried.
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Quote Originally Posted by madshooter72:
Guess that is why you throw out ignorant statements.....
My comment was when double jeopardy attaches. Clearly she can be tried again but very hard for that to happen. I knew there was a way just didn't know the process but as I mentioned in my post and depeche mentioned in his post EXTREMELY rare instances. Remember I said I would be SHOCKED if she was retried.
With all due respect madshooter, you're probably barking up the wrong tree here. Even a lawyer who hasn't practiced a lick of criminal law will know leaps and bounds more about it than your average covers poster.
agreed, just no need for him to slam me and be a dick about it, and when he is wrong not even apoligize, a simple My bad would be ok.
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
With all due respect madshooter, you're probably barking up the wrong tree here. Even a lawyer who hasn't practiced a lick of criminal law will know leaps and bounds more about it than your average covers poster.
agreed, just no need for him to slam me and be a dick about it, and when he is wrong not even apoligize, a simple My bad would be ok.
Interesting. There are law school cases where it has been overturned but I didn't know that was the process. Good to know. Hopefully I will never have to know personally as I can assure you I don't do a lick of criminal law (civil law only) so I will never find out professionally.
I do civil law only also, but I'm pretty confident on this one. What NG criminal cases are you referring to as overturned? Like I said, I think that is impossible. If the verdict is not truly unanimous, then it's actually not being "overturned", it's just clarifying the jury's actual verdict or lack thereof.
I guess the reasoning is that if you are found NG that has to be the end of it. How can you move on if you have even a slim possibility of having the whole thing come back at you - that's the point of double jeopardy. Guilty can be appealed because that sort of concern doesn't apply the same way to the State and we don't like to put people in jail wrongly (even though it happens a lot).
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Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:
Interesting. There are law school cases where it has been overturned but I didn't know that was the process. Good to know. Hopefully I will never have to know personally as I can assure you I don't do a lick of criminal law (civil law only) so I will never find out professionally.
I do civil law only also, but I'm pretty confident on this one. What NG criminal cases are you referring to as overturned? Like I said, I think that is impossible. If the verdict is not truly unanimous, then it's actually not being "overturned", it's just clarifying the jury's actual verdict or lack thereof.
I guess the reasoning is that if you are found NG that has to be the end of it. How can you move on if you have even a slim possibility of having the whole thing come back at you - that's the point of double jeopardy. Guilty can be appealed because that sort of concern doesn't apply the same way to the State and we don't like to put people in jail wrongly (even though it happens a lot).
With all due respect madshooter, you're probably barking up the wrong tree here. Even a lawyer who hasn't practiced a lick of criminal law will know leaps and bounds more about it than your average covers poster.
Thanks for the assist Kap. In fairness to madshooter I was just a little annoyed after reading those two back to back comments and probably should not have taken it out on him. I should have known better and just stayed out of this thread as I knew people would just be making general comments because emotions run high in cases like this. I on the other had never rush to judgment because I was not there personally and did not review all the evidence. That being said I was a little surprised by the verdict as a casual observer but never once would I impose my own opinion over that of the jury. BOL!
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
With all due respect madshooter, you're probably barking up the wrong tree here. Even a lawyer who hasn't practiced a lick of criminal law will know leaps and bounds more about it than your average covers poster.
Thanks for the assist Kap. In fairness to madshooter I was just a little annoyed after reading those two back to back comments and probably should not have taken it out on him. I should have known better and just stayed out of this thread as I knew people would just be making general comments because emotions run high in cases like this. I on the other had never rush to judgment because I was not there personally and did not review all the evidence. That being said I was a little surprised by the verdict as a casual observer but never once would I impose my own opinion over that of the jury. BOL!
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