And obviously I realize Hou is in a diff conference, just seems like LT's OOC games are typically away or hosting crap teams, so no home dog OOC opportunities.
I knew you knew bro, I would never correct you, I'm just happy to talk football with someone who actually knows football, that is quite a change around here these days
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Quote Originally Posted by GAM:
And obviously I realize Hou is in a diff conference, just seems like LT's OOC games are typically away or hosting crap teams, so no home dog OOC opportunities.
I knew you knew bro, I would never correct you, I'm just happy to talk football with someone who actually knows football, that is quite a change around here these days
Yeah I have always liked LT as a in conference home dog, I guess I'm just not comfortable with their team yet this year. Gonna look a little more into that one, as always looking to fade Houston as a road favorite of any substance.
Regarding Lane K., dude must be the best interviewer ever. No clue how he keeps getting premium jobs. Makes Gene C. look like Stephen Hawking...
you can't look at anything on paper that would support playing La Tech at only + 8, trust me, it doesn't exist
just a game I had circled during the summer and one I kind of always knew I would bet, that being said, I did expect a higher line, Southern Miss was a 12.5 point favorite at La Tech last year so I'm very surprised by this line, it actually opened at 6.5
I may end up leaving the game alone but I wouldn't bet Houston, that much I can tell you
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Quote Originally Posted by GAM:
Yeah I have always liked LT as a in conference home dog, I guess I'm just not comfortable with their team yet this year. Gonna look a little more into that one, as always looking to fade Houston as a road favorite of any substance.
Regarding Lane K., dude must be the best interviewer ever. No clue how he keeps getting premium jobs. Makes Gene C. look like Stephen Hawking...
you can't look at anything on paper that would support playing La Tech at only + 8, trust me, it doesn't exist
just a game I had circled during the summer and one I kind of always knew I would bet, that being said, I did expect a higher line, Southern Miss was a 12.5 point favorite at La Tech last year so I'm very surprised by this line, it actually opened at 6.5
I may end up leaving the game alone but I wouldn't bet Houston, that much I can tell you
I see two shitty teams with equal skill level, I get the better coach and more than a touchdown in a bitter rivalry, I couldn't click submit fast enough, I set the line at 3.5 and when I saw 8 I laughed and bet it, I know Louisville will have a very poor year and they are an ugly team but Kentucky has looked awful in their games as well, I'm taking the dog and happy with the line
as far as Arizona goes, you are just wrong with Stanford
I may very well be wrong with Stanford, but after watching Weeden have no problems with the AZ defense and Foles struggle, I'll take my chances. I like Stanford because those kids dont make stupid mistakes and that helps a ton on the road.
I agree the lville line is off, but more often than not that means the fav is gonna win convincingly from my experience.
Either way, good to see you posting and chatting more this year. Now we just gotta get you to play 20+ games like me. Those leans you have are an untapped resource.
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Quote Originally Posted by WahooS:
I see two shitty teams with equal skill level, I get the better coach and more than a touchdown in a bitter rivalry, I couldn't click submit fast enough, I set the line at 3.5 and when I saw 8 I laughed and bet it, I know Louisville will have a very poor year and they are an ugly team but Kentucky has looked awful in their games as well, I'm taking the dog and happy with the line
as far as Arizona goes, you are just wrong with Stanford
I may very well be wrong with Stanford, but after watching Weeden have no problems with the AZ defense and Foles struggle, I'll take my chances. I like Stanford because those kids dont make stupid mistakes and that helps a ton on the road.
I agree the lville line is off, but more often than not that means the fav is gonna win convincingly from my experience.
Either way, good to see you posting and chatting more this year. Now we just gotta get you to play 20+ games like me. Those leans you have are an untapped resource.
I may very well be wrong with Stanford, but after watching Weeden have no problems with the AZ defense and Foles struggle, I'll take my chances. I like Stanford because those kids dont make stupid mistakes and that helps a ton on the road.
I agree the lville line is off, but more often than not that means the fav is gonna win convincingly from my experience.
Either way, good to see you posting and chatting more this year. Now we just gotta get you to play 20+ games like me. Those leans you have are an untapped resource.
I don't know the exact figures that others really bet on this forum but I do know that I bet too much money to have 20 plays out there, at least for my weak stomach, I just couldn't handle that every week
I get crazy at times and throw out 14 or so but I'm a nervous wreck that entire day, I love action and risk but only to a certain degree, I would rather have much more money on a "large" play and just worry about that game
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
I may very well be wrong with Stanford, but after watching Weeden have no problems with the AZ defense and Foles struggle, I'll take my chances. I like Stanford because those kids dont make stupid mistakes and that helps a ton on the road.
I agree the lville line is off, but more often than not that means the fav is gonna win convincingly from my experience.
Either way, good to see you posting and chatting more this year. Now we just gotta get you to play 20+ games like me. Those leans you have are an untapped resource.
I don't know the exact figures that others really bet on this forum but I do know that I bet too much money to have 20 plays out there, at least for my weak stomach, I just couldn't handle that every week
I get crazy at times and throw out 14 or so but I'm a nervous wreck that entire day, I love action and risk but only to a certain degree, I would rather have much more money on a "large" play and just worry about that game
I have always had an odd way of betting certain teams that play the weeknight TV games the week before
Arizona looked terrible, I'm betting on them
Louisville looked terrible, I'm betting on them
FIU looked great, I'm betting against them
I find the lines are shaded my way when I do this, I have to like the circumstance and the play to pull the trigger on the game and I do in all 3 of these
what can I say Train, I have my ways bro and I try to stick with them
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I have always had an odd way of betting certain teams that play the weeknight TV games the week before
Arizona looked terrible, I'm betting on them
Louisville looked terrible, I'm betting on them
FIU looked great, I'm betting against them
I find the lines are shaded my way when I do this, I have to like the circumstance and the play to pull the trigger on the game and I do in all 3 of these
what can I say Train, I have my ways bro and I try to stick with them
I have that line at 6.5, same as the opener, in my numbers. Didn't catch my eye so glossed right over it as the line was right in my estimation. Now that it's over 7, I can see your interest. If it did hit 9.5+, I'd hook it and bet it as well no doubt. Still not interested at the current line, hopefully it does get bet up. I see ONLY 76% of wagerline participants on Houston at this point so maybe it will get there.
Jumped on Arizona and Illy today when lines came out here (I'm reduced to Station Casinos online account these days...can't even buy points unless drive on down to the casinos, so archaic). Think those are the two best bets on the board right now. Also strongly agree with UCF, but my wariness of road favorites is precluding me at this point. I conservatively made that line 6, knowing it would be shaded low. In actuality thought it should be a full TD. When I like road favorites though it never works out well so watch out Wahoo
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I have that line at 6.5, same as the opener, in my numbers. Didn't catch my eye so glossed right over it as the line was right in my estimation. Now that it's over 7, I can see your interest. If it did hit 9.5+, I'd hook it and bet it as well no doubt. Still not interested at the current line, hopefully it does get bet up. I see ONLY 76% of wagerline participants on Houston at this point so maybe it will get there.
Jumped on Arizona and Illy today when lines came out here (I'm reduced to Station Casinos online account these days...can't even buy points unless drive on down to the casinos, so archaic). Think those are the two best bets on the board right now. Also strongly agree with UCF, but my wariness of road favorites is precluding me at this point. I conservatively made that line 6, knowing it would be shaded low. In actuality thought it should be a full TD. When I like road favorites though it never works out well so watch out Wahoo
Also, full agreement on Louisville.Only reason not on that yet is line opened here at 6.5, so will wait for a TD. That line is a joke to me. Actually had the fair line at 3. TY Hilton is better than anybody on UK's squad
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Also, full agreement on Louisville.Only reason not on that yet is line opened here at 6.5, so will wait for a TD. That line is a joke to me. Actually had the fair line at 3. TY Hilton is better than anybody on UK's squad
I have that line at 6.5, same as the opener, in my numbers. Didn't catch my eye so glossed right over it as the line was right in my estimation. Now that it's over 7, I can see your interest. If it did hit 9.5+, I'd hook it and bet it as well no doubt. Still not interested at the current line, hopefully it does get bet up. I see ONLY 76% of wagerline participants on Houston at this point so maybe it will get there.
Jumped on Arizona and Illy today when lines came out here (I'm reduced to Station Casinos online account these days...can't even buy points unless drive on down to the casinos, so archaic). Think those are the two best bets on the board right now. Also strongly agree with UCF, but my wariness of road favorites is precluding me at this point. I conservatively made that line 6, knowing it would be shaded low. In actuality thought it should be a full TD. When I like road favorites though it never works out well so watch out Wahoo
I'm not worried about you jinxing me bro, I bought that line down, if UCF can't win by 3 then I'm willing to be wrong, I don't think those two teams are close and it won't be much a homefield for FIU, if any at all, UCF will probably have more fans there
I can't see a close outcome in that game, it would have to be turnovers galore and crazy special teams for UCF to lose in my opinion
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Quote Originally Posted by GAM:
I have that line at 6.5, same as the opener, in my numbers. Didn't catch my eye so glossed right over it as the line was right in my estimation. Now that it's over 7, I can see your interest. If it did hit 9.5+, I'd hook it and bet it as well no doubt. Still not interested at the current line, hopefully it does get bet up. I see ONLY 76% of wagerline participants on Houston at this point so maybe it will get there.
Jumped on Arizona and Illy today when lines came out here (I'm reduced to Station Casinos online account these days...can't even buy points unless drive on down to the casinos, so archaic). Think those are the two best bets on the board right now. Also strongly agree with UCF, but my wariness of road favorites is precluding me at this point. I conservatively made that line 6, knowing it would be shaded low. In actuality thought it should be a full TD. When I like road favorites though it never works out well so watch out Wahoo
I'm not worried about you jinxing me bro, I bought that line down, if UCF can't win by 3 then I'm willing to be wrong, I don't think those two teams are close and it won't be much a homefield for FIU, if any at all, UCF will probably have more fans there
I can't see a close outcome in that game, it would have to be turnovers galore and crazy special teams for UCF to lose in my opinion
I have always had an odd way of betting certain teams that play the weeknight TV games the week before
Arizona looked terrible, I'm betting on them
Louisville looked terrible, I'm betting on them
FIU looked great, I'm betting against them
I find the lines are shaded my way when I do this, I have to like the circumstance and the play to pull the trigger on the game and I do in all 3 of these
what can I say Train, I have my ways bro and I try to stick with them
Wasnt give you hell bro, just curious. I know your methods are on point. I agree, that shady lines are a good place to dig.....
I would never disrespect
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Quote Originally Posted by WahooS:
I have always had an odd way of betting certain teams that play the weeknight TV games the week before
Arizona looked terrible, I'm betting on them
Louisville looked terrible, I'm betting on them
FIU looked great, I'm betting against them
I find the lines are shaded my way when I do this, I have to like the circumstance and the play to pull the trigger on the game and I do in all 3 of these
what can I say Train, I have my ways bro and I try to stick with them
Wasnt give you hell bro, just curious. I know your methods are on point. I agree, that shady lines are a good place to dig.....
Luck is very good but their play calling is super conservative, Stanford isn't explosive enough to run away and leave if their opponent plays well in my opinion, Foles is a good QB when he is on and I feel like I'm getting max line value since Arizona just got smashed in Stillwater on ESPN, Stanford is coming off a long road trip and Arizona has had an extra day to prepare, I'm liking the home dog in this spot my friend, just my opinion
as always best of luck
Hey Wahoo I thought I would chime in here. I completely agree with your feelings on Arz-Stanford. I will simply sit this out but I see alot of reasons to not play Stanford. I watched that whole Stanford-Duke game and I was screaming at the TV in the first half with Stanford up 3 with 2 mins left in the 2nd and I was laying almost 3 tds. Stanford's OL struggled alot picking up blitzes because they have 3 new OL to go along with the 2 starters back from last year who are both first round picks (Decastro and Martin).
Any good team would have made that a game with Stanford. They let Duke hang around for a whole half and Duke actually moved the ball very well all game but couldn't convert 3rd downs. Stanford is very weak in the secondary. With a night game in Arz I will not be taking Stanford and I will simply sit this game out but I have seen this too often. One team looks good one week the other team looks like shit, night game on the road laying DD and somehow Stanford wins by 3 or 7 after being down a lot early. I will never forget loving Oregon 2 yrs ago in Arizona so I layed 5 and Oregon won by 4. I see a similar situation in Arizona Saturday night.
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Quote Originally Posted by WahooS:
Luck is very good but their play calling is super conservative, Stanford isn't explosive enough to run away and leave if their opponent plays well in my opinion, Foles is a good QB when he is on and I feel like I'm getting max line value since Arizona just got smashed in Stillwater on ESPN, Stanford is coming off a long road trip and Arizona has had an extra day to prepare, I'm liking the home dog in this spot my friend, just my opinion
as always best of luck
Hey Wahoo I thought I would chime in here. I completely agree with your feelings on Arz-Stanford. I will simply sit this out but I see alot of reasons to not play Stanford. I watched that whole Stanford-Duke game and I was screaming at the TV in the first half with Stanford up 3 with 2 mins left in the 2nd and I was laying almost 3 tds. Stanford's OL struggled alot picking up blitzes because they have 3 new OL to go along with the 2 starters back from last year who are both first round picks (Decastro and Martin).
Any good team would have made that a game with Stanford. They let Duke hang around for a whole half and Duke actually moved the ball very well all game but couldn't convert 3rd downs. Stanford is very weak in the secondary. With a night game in Arz I will not be taking Stanford and I will simply sit this game out but I have seen this too often. One team looks good one week the other team looks like shit, night game on the road laying DD and somehow Stanford wins by 3 or 7 after being down a lot early. I will never forget loving Oregon 2 yrs ago in Arizona so I layed 5 and Oregon won by 4. I see a similar situation in Arizona Saturday night.
I agree with you about Chizik, but one thing I will have to say about him is that he has his kids believing... So many times last year it would have been so easy for them to hang their heads and quit fighting, but they didn't, especially in the Iron Bowl. This year has been no different, a young team, without Cam, and yet they still find a way to get it done.... For that I will have to give Chizik a little love.
I have praised the Gus Malzahn hire from day one. I have steadfastly maintained that he is one of the best offensive minds in college football.
The reason Auburn keeps winning is because Malzahn's offenses keep outscoring other teams. Auburn didn't have a great defense last season when they won the national championship, and this season (through 2 games) they have some of the most atrocious defensive stats I've ever seen.
Auburn has played 181 defensive snaps. That's last in the country (#120).
Their rushing defense has surrendered 560 yards (#119)
Total Defense 979 yards (#115)
Yards per game 490 (#112)
5.5 yards per play
72 points given up in two games (#107)
So some may accuse Chizik of being an idiot, and I admit at times the guy looks as clueless as Shula did, but he was at least smart enough to hire Gus Malzahn. So give credit where credit is due. Malzahn is the reason Auburn keeps winning, and that's why they'll probably be competitive in every game they play this season, regardless of how poorly their defense plays.
That being said, I have given up trying to cap Auburn games because they are simply too volitile. There is no predicting what will happen except that Auburn will somehow manage to win in the end.
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Quote Originally Posted by tideman:
Best of luck Wahoo
I agree with you about Chizik, but one thing I will have to say about him is that he has his kids believing... So many times last year it would have been so easy for them to hang their heads and quit fighting, but they didn't, especially in the Iron Bowl. This year has been no different, a young team, without Cam, and yet they still find a way to get it done.... For that I will have to give Chizik a little love.
I have praised the Gus Malzahn hire from day one. I have steadfastly maintained that he is one of the best offensive minds in college football.
The reason Auburn keeps winning is because Malzahn's offenses keep outscoring other teams. Auburn didn't have a great defense last season when they won the national championship, and this season (through 2 games) they have some of the most atrocious defensive stats I've ever seen.
Auburn has played 181 defensive snaps. That's last in the country (#120).
Their rushing defense has surrendered 560 yards (#119)
Total Defense 979 yards (#115)
Yards per game 490 (#112)
5.5 yards per play
72 points given up in two games (#107)
So some may accuse Chizik of being an idiot, and I admit at times the guy looks as clueless as Shula did, but he was at least smart enough to hire Gus Malzahn. So give credit where credit is due. Malzahn is the reason Auburn keeps winning, and that's why they'll probably be competitive in every game they play this season, regardless of how poorly their defense plays.
That being said, I have given up trying to cap Auburn games because they are simply too volitile. There is no predicting what will happen except that Auburn will somehow manage to win in the end.
I have always had an odd way of betting certain teams that play the weeknight TV games the week before
Arizona looked terrible, I'm betting on them
Louisville looked terrible, I'm betting on them
FIU looked great, I'm betting against them
I find the lines are shaded my way when I do this, I have to like the circumstance and the play to pull the trigger on the game and I do in all 3 of these
what can I say Train, I have my ways bro and I try to stick with them
you have any stats on how fading teams that looked great during the week tv games?
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Quote Originally Posted by WahooS:
I have always had an odd way of betting certain teams that play the weeknight TV games the week before
Arizona looked terrible, I'm betting on them
Louisville looked terrible, I'm betting on them
FIU looked great, I'm betting against them
I find the lines are shaded my way when I do this, I have to like the circumstance and the play to pull the trigger on the game and I do in all 3 of these
what can I say Train, I have my ways bro and I try to stick with them
you have any stats on how fading teams that looked great during the week tv games?
Hey Wahoo I thought I would chime in here. I completely agree with your feelings on Arz-Stanford. I will simply sit this out but I see alot of reasons to not play Stanford. I watched that whole Stanford-Duke game and I was screaming at the TV in the first half with Stanford up 3 with 2 mins left in the 2nd and I was laying almost 3 tds. Stanford's OL struggled alot picking up blitzes because they have 3 new OL to go along with the 2 starters back from last year who are both first round picks (Decastro and Martin).
Any good team would have made that a game with Stanford. They let Duke hang around for a whole half and Duke actually moved the ball very well all game but couldn't convert 3rd downs. Stanford is very weak in the secondary. With a night game in Arz I will not be taking Stanford and I will simply sit this game out but I have seen this too often. One team looks good one week the other team looks like shit, night game on the road laying DD and somehow Stanford wins by 3 or 7 after being down a lot early. I will never forget loving Oregon 2 yrs ago in Arizona so I layed 5 and Oregon won by 4. I see a similar situation in Arizona Saturday night.
AZ first half should be a good play. They should come out fired up and the crowd will be crazy. Luck will lead Stanford on a last second drive to get the win but not the cover.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigShotBill:
Hey Wahoo I thought I would chime in here. I completely agree with your feelings on Arz-Stanford. I will simply sit this out but I see alot of reasons to not play Stanford. I watched that whole Stanford-Duke game and I was screaming at the TV in the first half with Stanford up 3 with 2 mins left in the 2nd and I was laying almost 3 tds. Stanford's OL struggled alot picking up blitzes because they have 3 new OL to go along with the 2 starters back from last year who are both first round picks (Decastro and Martin).
Any good team would have made that a game with Stanford. They let Duke hang around for a whole half and Duke actually moved the ball very well all game but couldn't convert 3rd downs. Stanford is very weak in the secondary. With a night game in Arz I will not be taking Stanford and I will simply sit this game out but I have seen this too often. One team looks good one week the other team looks like shit, night game on the road laying DD and somehow Stanford wins by 3 or 7 after being down a lot early. I will never forget loving Oregon 2 yrs ago in Arizona so I layed 5 and Oregon won by 4. I see a similar situation in Arizona Saturday night.
AZ first half should be a good play. They should come out fired up and the crowd will be crazy. Luck will lead Stanford on a last second drive to get the win but not the cover.
I see two shitty teams with equal skill level, I get the better coach and more than a touchdown in a bitter rivalry, I couldn't click submit fast enough, I set the line at 3.5 and when I saw 8 I laughed and bet it, I know Louisville will have a very poor year and they are an ugly team but Kentucky has looked awful in their games as well, I'm taking the dog and happy with the line
as far as Arizona goes, you are just wrong with Stanford
i made mistake of betting this game couple years back, its the boringest game you can possibly watch just take the over will end up 9-6
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Quote Originally Posted by WahooS:
I see two shitty teams with equal skill level, I get the better coach and more than a touchdown in a bitter rivalry, I couldn't click submit fast enough, I set the line at 3.5 and when I saw 8 I laughed and bet it, I know Louisville will have a very poor year and they are an ugly team but Kentucky has looked awful in their games as well, I'm taking the dog and happy with the line
as far as Arizona goes, you are just wrong with Stanford
i made mistake of betting this game couple years back, its the boringest game you can possibly watch just take the over will end up 9-6
Guys, there was aproximately two guys yelling at the AD when he got off that plane (Not Chizik). So, that is far from "everyone".... And Wahoo, I challenge you to go back over the last 20 or 30 years of SEC football and tell me Auburn isn't a top 3 SEC football team. Since there has been an SEC championship, there has been 3 teams in the SEC to go undefeated... Alabama, Auburn, and Tennesse. Bama did it once. UT did it once. Auburn has done it 3 times, and yet you think that all of a sudden (in 1, 2, 3yrs??) Auburn is going to simply be a "middle of the pack SEC team at best".... once again, IMO, you are not looking at this clearly. But, as we said... we will wait and see... good luck with your picks.
I don't think he or I are arguing that Auburn has been good over the history of their program because that's clearly true (I mean they even had Frank Thomas!!!!!!). We just don't think Chizik has the skills to keep the team at this level when Malzahn takes a HC job, especially considering he's a defensive coach who can't do anything worthwhile on D...
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Quote Originally Posted by BrerTiger:
Guys, there was aproximately two guys yelling at the AD when he got off that plane (Not Chizik). So, that is far from "everyone".... And Wahoo, I challenge you to go back over the last 20 or 30 years of SEC football and tell me Auburn isn't a top 3 SEC football team. Since there has been an SEC championship, there has been 3 teams in the SEC to go undefeated... Alabama, Auburn, and Tennesse. Bama did it once. UT did it once. Auburn has done it 3 times, and yet you think that all of a sudden (in 1, 2, 3yrs??) Auburn is going to simply be a "middle of the pack SEC team at best".... once again, IMO, you are not looking at this clearly. But, as we said... we will wait and see... good luck with your picks.
I don't think he or I are arguing that Auburn has been good over the history of their program because that's clearly true (I mean they even had Frank Thomas!!!!!!). We just don't think Chizik has the skills to keep the team at this level when Malzahn takes a HC job, especially considering he's a defensive coach who can't do anything worthwhile on D...
I have always had an odd way of betting certain teams that play the weeknight TV games the week before
Arizona looked terrible, I'm betting on them
Louisville looked terrible, I'm betting on them
FIU looked great, I'm betting against them
I find the lines are shaded my way when I do this, I have to like the circumstance and the play to pull the trigger on the game and I do in all 3 of these
what can I say Train, I have my ways bro and I try to stick with them
i'm trying to avoid the pros, but with that said I think the Colts deserve a look this week...
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Quote Originally Posted by WahooS:
I have always had an odd way of betting certain teams that play the weeknight TV games the week before
Arizona looked terrible, I'm betting on them
Louisville looked terrible, I'm betting on them
FIU looked great, I'm betting against them
I find the lines are shaded my way when I do this, I have to like the circumstance and the play to pull the trigger on the game and I do in all 3 of these
what can I say Train, I have my ways bro and I try to stick with them
i'm trying to avoid the pros, but with that said I think the Colts deserve a look this week...
Everybody is talking about how bad L'ville and Kentucky are....
but nobody has said a word about the "under" of 42.5.
I know it is a low total for college football, but how the fuck do these 2 teams put up a combined 6 td's in one game?
Can't see it happening.
seems like a low scoring game but what if they get 17-17 and then head to OT? this figures to be a close game so overtime is a possibility, I can't bet under 42 unless Bama is playing Penn St every game
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Quote Originally Posted by Jersey973:
Everybody is talking about how bad L'ville and Kentucky are....
but nobody has said a word about the "under" of 42.5.
I know it is a low total for college football, but how the fuck do these 2 teams put up a combined 6 td's in one game?
Can't see it happening.
seems like a low scoring game but what if they get 17-17 and then head to OT? this figures to be a close game so overtime is a possibility, I can't bet under 42 unless Bama is playing Penn St every game
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