I am 98% positive the series line for the Spurs vs. Miami in 2013 (the Ray Allen shot) after the Spurs went up 3-2 was
Spurs +210
I'm almost certain of it. The 2% uncertainy comes in because that could have been the line after Game FOUR at 2-2 for the Spurs. I even had an argument with Bator about it!
Having said that, the Spurs had NO INJURIES and had to go to Miami for 2 games and were still big dogs.
Yes the Spurs went down but that was a great Heat team and they needed the miracle of miracles to pull it off.
Now my question is how in the world are the Rockers +150 to win the series? They are +750 tonight ALONE. And will be in the +300's/high +200's in Game 7 assuming Paul doesn't play.
Again compared to the Spurs line in 2013 with no injuries, how in the world is this a good line to back the Rockets with?
And to those who think Paul is coming back?
Here's my take after watching him go down innumerable times for the Clippers:
FORGET IT.
He is done.
I absolutely do not see him coming back. Maybe he'll give it a go in Game 7 but there will be no chance he'll play 40 minutes over even 25. This happened to the Clippers too many times to count with Paul in the playoffs (and Blake too) to the point where they had to get rid of them both.
Again who is taking the Rockets +150
I have too big a bet on the Celts Cavs serires to get involved but someone tell me even with Game 7 at home, where is the value in playing +150 without even knowing Paul will be a Game 7????
I am 98% positive the series line for the Spurs vs. Miami in 2013 (the Ray Allen shot) after the Spurs went up 3-2 was
Spurs +210
I'm almost certain of it. The 2% uncertainy comes in because that could have been the line after Game FOUR at 2-2 for the Spurs. I even had an argument with Bator about it!
Having said that, the Spurs had NO INJURIES and had to go to Miami for 2 games and were still big dogs.
Yes the Spurs went down but that was a great Heat team and they needed the miracle of miracles to pull it off.
Now my question is how in the world are the Rockers +150 to win the series? They are +750 tonight ALONE. And will be in the +300's/high +200's in Game 7 assuming Paul doesn't play.
Again compared to the Spurs line in 2013 with no injuries, how in the world is this a good line to back the Rockets with?
And to those who think Paul is coming back?
Here's my take after watching him go down innumerable times for the Clippers:
FORGET IT.
He is done.
I absolutely do not see him coming back. Maybe he'll give it a go in Game 7 but there will be no chance he'll play 40 minutes over even 25. This happened to the Clippers too many times to count with Paul in the playoffs (and Blake too) to the point where they had to get rid of them both.
Again who is taking the Rockets +150
I have too big a bet on the Celts Cavs serires to get involved but someone tell me even with Game 7 at home, where is the value in playing +150 without even knowing Paul will be a Game 7????
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here: I am 98% positive the series line for the Spurs vs. Miami in 2013 (the Ray Allen shot) after the Spurs went up 3-2 was Spurs +210 I'm almost certain of it. The 2% uncertainy comes in because that could have been the line after Game FOUR at 2-2 for the Spurs. I even had an argument with Bator about it! Having said that, the Spurs had NO INJURIES and had to go to Miami for 2 games and were still big dogs. Yes the Spurs went down but that was a great Heat team and they needed the miracle of miracles to pull it off. Now my question is how in the world are the Rockers +150 to win the series? They are +750 tonight ALONE. And will be in the +300's/high +200's in Game 7 assuming Paul doesn't play. Again compared to the Spurs line in 2013 with no injuries, how in the world is this a good line to back the Rockets with? And to those who think Paul is coming back? Here's my take after watching him go down innumerable times for the Clippers: FORGET IT. He is done. I absolutely do not see him coming back. Maybe he'll give it a go in Game 7 but there will be no chance he'll play 40 minutes over even 25. This happened to the Clippers too many times to count with Paul in the playoffs (and Blake too) to the point where they had to get rid of them both. Again who is taking the Rockets +150 I have too big a bet on the Celts Cavs serires to get involved but someone tell me even with Game 7 at home, where is the value in playing +150 without even knowing Paul will be a Game 7???? BegginerBoy help me out here???!
Series prices are mostly just a reflection of the money line odds.
No cp3 probably means something like GSW -135 for game 7, depending on how they look tonight. A -110 line if cp3 does happen to play. Add in -1000 for today and you get your series line.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here: I am 98% positive the series line for the Spurs vs. Miami in 2013 (the Ray Allen shot) after the Spurs went up 3-2 was Spurs +210 I'm almost certain of it. The 2% uncertainy comes in because that could have been the line after Game FOUR at 2-2 for the Spurs. I even had an argument with Bator about it! Having said that, the Spurs had NO INJURIES and had to go to Miami for 2 games and were still big dogs. Yes the Spurs went down but that was a great Heat team and they needed the miracle of miracles to pull it off. Now my question is how in the world are the Rockers +150 to win the series? They are +750 tonight ALONE. And will be in the +300's/high +200's in Game 7 assuming Paul doesn't play. Again compared to the Spurs line in 2013 with no injuries, how in the world is this a good line to back the Rockets with? And to those who think Paul is coming back? Here's my take after watching him go down innumerable times for the Clippers: FORGET IT. He is done. I absolutely do not see him coming back. Maybe he'll give it a go in Game 7 but there will be no chance he'll play 40 minutes over even 25. This happened to the Clippers too many times to count with Paul in the playoffs (and Blake too) to the point where they had to get rid of them both. Again who is taking the Rockets +150 I have too big a bet on the Celts Cavs serires to get involved but someone tell me even with Game 7 at home, where is the value in playing +150 without even knowing Paul will be a Game 7???? BegginerBoy help me out here???!
Series prices are mostly just a reflection of the money line odds.
No cp3 probably means something like GSW -135 for game 7, depending on how they look tonight. A -110 line if cp3 does happen to play. Add in -1000 for today and you get your series line.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here: I am 98% positive the series line for the Spurs vs. Miami in 2013 (the Ray Allen shot) after the Spurs went up 3-2 was Spurs +210 I'm almost certain of it. The 2% uncertainy comes in because that could have been the line after Game FOUR at 2-2 for the Spurs. I even had an argument with Bator about it! Having said that, the Spurs had NO INJURIES and had to go to Miami for 2 games and were still big dogs. Yes the Spurs went down but that was a great Heat team and they needed the miracle of miracles to pull it off. Now my question is how in the world are the Rockers +150 to win the series? They are +750 tonight ALONE. And will be in the +300's/high +200's in Game 7 assuming Paul doesn't play. Again compared to the Spurs line in 2013 with no injuries, how in the world is this a good line to back the Rockets with? And to those who think Paul is coming back? Here's my take after watching him go down innumerable times for the Clippers: FORGET IT. He is done. I absolutely do not see him coming back. Maybe he'll give it a go in Game 7 but there will be no chance he'll play 40 minutes over even 25. This happened to the Clippers too many times to count with Paul in the playoffs (and Blake too) to the point where they had to get rid of them both. Again who is taking the Rockets +150 I have too big a bet on the Celts Cavs serires to get involved but someone tell me even with Game 7 at home, where is the value in playing +150 without even knowing Paul will be a Game 7???? BegginerBoy help me out here???!
Scal, i am with you. It is a crazy line. I think warriors will be -250 for game 7 , so if you think they win tonight, -165 is not bad.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here: I am 98% positive the series line for the Spurs vs. Miami in 2013 (the Ray Allen shot) after the Spurs went up 3-2 was Spurs +210 I'm almost certain of it. The 2% uncertainy comes in because that could have been the line after Game FOUR at 2-2 for the Spurs. I even had an argument with Bator about it! Having said that, the Spurs had NO INJURIES and had to go to Miami for 2 games and were still big dogs. Yes the Spurs went down but that was a great Heat team and they needed the miracle of miracles to pull it off. Now my question is how in the world are the Rockers +150 to win the series? They are +750 tonight ALONE. And will be in the +300's/high +200's in Game 7 assuming Paul doesn't play. Again compared to the Spurs line in 2013 with no injuries, how in the world is this a good line to back the Rockets with? And to those who think Paul is coming back? Here's my take after watching him go down innumerable times for the Clippers: FORGET IT. He is done. I absolutely do not see him coming back. Maybe he'll give it a go in Game 7 but there will be no chance he'll play 40 minutes over even 25. This happened to the Clippers too many times to count with Paul in the playoffs (and Blake too) to the point where they had to get rid of them both. Again who is taking the Rockets +150 I have too big a bet on the Celts Cavs serires to get involved but someone tell me even with Game 7 at home, where is the value in playing +150 without even knowing Paul will be a Game 7???? BegginerBoy help me out here???!
Scal, i am with you. It is a crazy line. I think warriors will be -250 for game 7 , so if you think they win tonight, -165 is not bad.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here: I am 98% positive the series line for the Spurs vs. Miami in 2013 (the Ray Allen shot) after the Spurs went up 3-2 was Spurs +210 I'm almost certain of it. The 2% uncertainy comes in because that could have been the line after Game FOUR at 2-2 for the Spurs. I even had an argument with Bator about it! Having said that, the Spurs had NO INJURIES and had to go to Miami for 2 games and were still big dogs. Yes the Spurs went down but that was a great Heat team and they needed the miracle of miracles to pull it off. Now my question is how in the world are the Rockers +150 to win the series? They are +750 tonight ALONE. And will be in the +300's/high +200's in Game 7 assuming Paul doesn't play. Again compared to the Spurs line in 2013 with no injuries, how in the world is this a good line to back the Rockets with? And to those who think Paul is coming back? Here's my take after watching him go down innumerable times for the Clippers: FORGET IT. He is done. I absolutely do not see him coming back. Maybe he'll give it a go in Game 7 but there will be no chance he'll play 40 minutes over even 25. This happened to the Clippers too many times to count with Paul in the playoffs (and Blake too) to the point where they had to get rid of them both. Again who is taking the Rockets +150 I have too big a bet on the Celts Cavs serires to get involved but someone tell me even with Game 7 at home, where is the value in playing +150 without even knowing Paul will be a Game 7???? BegginerBoy help me out here???!
In that SAS/MIA series, game 6 and 7 were both at Miami so Heat were around -350 Im guessing. Add it up and you get something close to the series line.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here: I am 98% positive the series line for the Spurs vs. Miami in 2013 (the Ray Allen shot) after the Spurs went up 3-2 was Spurs +210 I'm almost certain of it. The 2% uncertainy comes in because that could have been the line after Game FOUR at 2-2 for the Spurs. I even had an argument with Bator about it! Having said that, the Spurs had NO INJURIES and had to go to Miami for 2 games and were still big dogs. Yes the Spurs went down but that was a great Heat team and they needed the miracle of miracles to pull it off. Now my question is how in the world are the Rockers +150 to win the series? They are +750 tonight ALONE. And will be in the +300's/high +200's in Game 7 assuming Paul doesn't play. Again compared to the Spurs line in 2013 with no injuries, how in the world is this a good line to back the Rockets with? And to those who think Paul is coming back? Here's my take after watching him go down innumerable times for the Clippers: FORGET IT. He is done. I absolutely do not see him coming back. Maybe he'll give it a go in Game 7 but there will be no chance he'll play 40 minutes over even 25. This happened to the Clippers too many times to count with Paul in the playoffs (and Blake too) to the point where they had to get rid of them both. Again who is taking the Rockets +150 I have too big a bet on the Celts Cavs serires to get involved but someone tell me even with Game 7 at home, where is the value in playing +150 without even knowing Paul will be a Game 7???? BegginerBoy help me out here???!
In that SAS/MIA series, game 6 and 7 were both at Miami so Heat were around -350 Im guessing. Add it up and you get something close to the series line.
Simple math? Yeah, simple math if game 7 is around -135! And that's ludicrous Anyone who thinks Game 7 will be -135 Warriors is out of their mind.
Vaq,
I have a future I put in about 50 games ago the Celtics would win the East. So I don't need to make a single bet in these playoffs. If I win that, I will hit a home run.
Simple math? Yeah, simple math if game 7 is around -135! And that's ludicrous Anyone who thinks Game 7 will be -135 Warriors is out of their mind.
Vaq,
I have a future I put in about 50 games ago the Celtics would win the East. So I don't need to make a single bet in these playoffs. If I win that, I will hit a home run.
There is no way GSW will be 300 in game 7. Not after how they look tonight and really how they've played the last few. Rockets got a definitive chance at this series. If Paul is healthy it's close to a pickem. Without him probably -4 Warriors. Thinking -220 max. People are overrating his absence. Harden couldn't have played any worse last game so he can pick up the slack and Gordon and ariza can step up if Paul is out.
There is no way GSW will be 300 in game 7. Not after how they look tonight and really how they've played the last few. Rockets got a definitive chance at this series. If Paul is healthy it's close to a pickem. Without him probably -4 Warriors. Thinking -220 max. People are overrating his absence. Harden couldn't have played any worse last game so he can pick up the slack and Gordon and ariza can step up if Paul is out.
Hou -2 game 5. Chris Paul is worth about 4 pts. Gsw -2 game 7 seemed logical. But after that performance I’m sure we’ll see some gsw -4 now. No way it should be -300
Hou -2 game 5. Chris Paul is worth about 4 pts. Gsw -2 game 7 seemed logical. But after that performance I’m sure we’ll see some gsw -4 now. No way it should be -300
So the current line of -235ish (I see -245) - suggest the original -165 is right on.
Scal - why would u say if the series is -165 that IMPLIES game 7 of -135. Huh? I think you are mixing up some logic as series (2 games) ML < ML of single game. Not vice versa. I think you are confused on the -/+ aspect. if team is + and + then yes series is higher, but if team is - then it is lower for series.
this is truly simple math - and by saying series of -165 implies game 7 of -135 might be crux of why you are confused.
my suggestion is convert all to % and do that - i.e. -165 = 62.3% and just do each game ML and it becomes very obvious these are right.
So the current line of -235ish (I see -245) - suggest the original -165 is right on.
Scal - why would u say if the series is -165 that IMPLIES game 7 of -135. Huh? I think you are mixing up some logic as series (2 games) ML < ML of single game. Not vice versa. I think you are confused on the -/+ aspect. if team is + and + then yes series is higher, but if team is - then it is lower for series.
this is truly simple math - and by saying series of -165 implies game 7 of -135 might be crux of why you are confused.
my suggestion is convert all to % and do that - i.e. -165 = 62.3% and just do each game ML and it becomes very obvious these are right.
You're wrong on several fronts KVS. Let me elaborate.
#1 I didn't come up with -135, nor was I confused about it. I quoted post #2 and was refuting it. Had the quote function been working properly with the new format you would have seen that immediately. But it's not too much to ask you to read to the second post in the thread.
#2 -245 which is what I saw it open at at 5Dimes means that the actual price is about -180 given the moneyline for game 6 was about GS -1150. That's .15 more. So my original post that -165 was a bargain is still correct. .15 is .15 cents. Not something to be shocked about, I agree, but that leads to my third point.
#3 The basis for being blown away by the -165 was the 2013 historical moneyline for the Spurs vs. Heat after Game 5. That line was Spurs +210. The Game 6 ML was in the 300's for the Heat. Now the Heat spread line for Game 6 was -6.5.
This line is Golden State -6 for Game 7.
What I was saying was, and this is key, is that if you compare historical money lines (ESPECIALLY given the Heat did not have injuries and this line SHOULD imply the Rockets are without Paul but likely doesn't), the Warriors should be in the -300's or the VERY HIGH -200's which makes may original 'blown away' presumption DEAD ON.The GS ML for Game 7 SHOULD be like the Heat Game 6 an 7 line (in the 300's).
But it's not. It's -245. And that's probably because the books think Paul still could play so they are bringing the ML down a few notches...And in my opinion they'll be wrong on that and even if he goes he will not be close to 100%, making this -6.5 line like the Heat -6 Spurs line in 2013. It should be closer to -300.
This is a unique playoff ML by the way. Typically -6/-6.5 spread lines do not get this high for ML's but do in the playoffs.
You're wrong on several fronts KVS. Let me elaborate.
#1 I didn't come up with -135, nor was I confused about it. I quoted post #2 and was refuting it. Had the quote function been working properly with the new format you would have seen that immediately. But it's not too much to ask you to read to the second post in the thread.
#2 -245 which is what I saw it open at at 5Dimes means that the actual price is about -180 given the moneyline for game 6 was about GS -1150. That's .15 more. So my original post that -165 was a bargain is still correct. .15 is .15 cents. Not something to be shocked about, I agree, but that leads to my third point.
#3 The basis for being blown away by the -165 was the 2013 historical moneyline for the Spurs vs. Heat after Game 5. That line was Spurs +210. The Game 6 ML was in the 300's for the Heat. Now the Heat spread line for Game 6 was -6.5.
This line is Golden State -6 for Game 7.
What I was saying was, and this is key, is that if you compare historical money lines (ESPECIALLY given the Heat did not have injuries and this line SHOULD imply the Rockets are without Paul but likely doesn't), the Warriors should be in the -300's or the VERY HIGH -200's which makes may original 'blown away' presumption DEAD ON.The GS ML for Game 7 SHOULD be like the Heat Game 6 an 7 line (in the 300's).
But it's not. It's -245. And that's probably because the books think Paul still could play so they are bringing the ML down a few notches...And in my opinion they'll be wrong on that and even if he goes he will not be close to 100%, making this -6.5 line like the Heat -6 Spurs line in 2013. It should be closer to -300.
This is a unique playoff ML by the way. Typically -6/-6.5 spread lines do not get this high for ML's but do in the playoffs.
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