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begginerboy
begginerboy
Canada blowhard, the warriors were so banged up that even the Celtics would have beaten them. So the Raptors are not getting any credit from me. Sorry. 

I'm not saying Curry is not an all time great. Of course he is head and shoulders above reggie Miller. But not when it comes to the last shot of th he game. He is 0-8 now on game winning shots. So he is not an all time great when it comes to making a game winning basket. I'd actually take Miller in those situations over Curry. And so would most people.
begginerboy
begginerboy
1) Because of Thompson's two injuries will never know if KD was a luxary or a necessity over the past three years. As a basketball fan, it breaks my heart that we will never be able to answer this question.

2) Curry's legacy as a clutch performer now in doubt. I do not criticize him for being a facilitator and not forcing things in game 7. He made a lot of good plays for other guys. But if you are going to play like that, then you need to at least convert on the few chances you get. And he didn't. Two wide open looks in the 4th and he missed both. Reggie Miller would have buried those. If Curry sends a depleted warriors team to a 7th game, his status as a playoff legend and all time great would be secured no matter the outcome of the series.

3) Kerr sucks. No one expects the scrubs to win all three home games for you, but everyone expects them to show up to one home game. The fact that Kerr could not talk up a guy like Cook for one game ( pop surely would have) tells me this guy is no horse whisperer.

4) I think with the Durant injury and the Thompson injury, the calculus changes. Durant feels vindicated and with both men going down, there will be a special bond between them, the team, and the fan base, who will now embrace KD as a true warrior.
loserforeverz
loserforeverz
Quote Originally Posted by bobmaloogatimesfive:

Dipping to 2.5 and 2 at a few books.  Series ends in 6 games on 6-13-19 Raptors in their 24th season win 4-2 Warriors with no #35 go to 3-5 in the finals on their run.  Champagne is about to be popping.

It all makes sense now:) With all "magic" on the Raptors side, no wonder you are trying so hard to jinx them.
begginerboy
begginerboy
Raptors choked down the stretch. Warriors took advantage. I did not see the game:( was on an airplane to london. From what I'm reading, warriors did not even get the calls. That's bad news for the raps going to Oracle. The tide should turn. And we should see Foster. Even without KD I love the warriors in this game. My prediction is the scrubs will finally step up in this game and score some big buckets. This definitely smells like a strength in numbers type of game. And as I said before, raps are not going to win the championship on the Oracle floor. What a slap in the face of Oakland and that fan base it would be if it were to happen.
begginerboy
begginerboy
Quote Originally Posted by FayGer:

Amazing read through out this thread. 

Toronto should be the champions tonight . Outplayed GSW this whole series.

Raps won 13 out of the possible 16 quarters in the first 4 games.

2xMVP Curry

best defensive player - Draymond

best pure shooter - Klay - Raps beat a healthy Klay&Curry in Game 1 didn't they?

palyoff Experience/tested iggy/livingston/bogut/looney whoever else was on the bench when they were winning Jordan Bell?

Looney has more heart than Durant? Dude came back mad props. 

 

raps injuries

no OG for whole Playoffs . if you watch regular season OG was a huge part of RAPS defense.

kyle Lowry left thumb needs surgery after season.

kawhi legs/knees are messed. 

siakim banged up calf and hip from sixers series

this whole series has been a grind for both teams. So having injuries is part of the game so please lets not give GSW the oh they were injured so thats why raps won. Raps simply outplayed them at their own game... BOX and 1 Defense worked didn't it? so why did they clown Nurse? still don't understand it. 


Lets make some history tonight everyone and Enjoy this one because it might be the only time a NBA Trophy is won outside of the USA haha



Agreed with everything except Thompson actually missed a game! A game in which Curry went off and his efforts were wasted. Meanwhile, everyone on the Raptors has played! And this to say nothing of Durant.

begginerboy
begginerboy
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Interesting conversations in this thread. Enjoyable read.

My opinion is this:

If the Raptors close them out here it will have to be just like OKC over the Spurs in Game 6: 55-31 at the half (i.e., the game is over by halftime). If it is neck and neck, GS just has too much available and is too time-tested to lose this one. Which means this goes 7. We'll see. The halftime score will say it all.


Good point, Scal. But there was also SA game 5 close out game on father's day. Recall the Heat played a great first half, were even up by almost 16-20 points at some point--if I recall correctly, but then Leonard and the Spurs took over and put the Heat to rest. Of course, that Heat team had already given up before the game (knowing LBJ was leaving) and SA was all jitters to start the game. I don't think this GS team has given up, but they are banged up.
begginerboy
begginerboy
Quote Originally Posted by Yessss88:

BB, I agree on what you said post #1 
the same as what I’m thinking right now....


Good luck with whatever you decide to play!
begginerboy
begginerboy
Quote Originally Posted by lmb4321:

Quick question BB...why do you think this line is moving down towards the Dubs??


Because people are sheep...Again, it will take some big time help from the officiating or a massive choke by the Raptors to push this to a game 6. This Warrior team is a mess, beginning with the coach. It all starts with the leadership, and Kerr looks completely lost and overwhelmed (like his team) at the moment.
begginerboy
begginerboy
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

I think he has stopped developing and preparing players, BB. You have called him lazy and maybe that was it. The lineups he has fielded have been lazy. Boogie: I have this image of him throwing his hands up and saying, "Well, we brought him here to play. He's a star. He has to play." Livingston: "Well he's been here. He's earned it. He starts!" Nevermind he's old. He doesn't shoot 3s and his midrange has gone flat. Sanz KD, i'm now convinced that Toronto is the better team. "Team". Yet with proper coaching it could've been a very interesting series.

For example, in game 4 I would've like to to see Draymond bring the ball up every offensive series with Steph playing off ball. It keeps Draymond involved in the way he is acustomed to and leave Steph free to move without the ball, his strength. Draymond could pick a defense apart with cutting players and they's never double him because he's not a scoring threat. When Steph would bring it up they would trap immediately forcing him to pick up his dribble and then what do you do? Kick it to Draymond for a jumper? Iggy. Livingston for 3? Oh yeah. HE DOESN'T SHOOT THEM!!!



I agree with everything. In addition, had Thompson not gotten hurt, this series would be 2-2. In game 3, they were missing a healthy Thompson and lost, in game 4, they got Thompson back at 75% but had a tired Curry operating at 50%. I think after the whole back issue, Kerr decided to take it easy. His inability to manage his players' egos, basically the only thing he is now getting paid to do, tells you all you need to know about his influence on the team and his commitment to coaching. Did Rodman ever pull the kind of antics Draymond pulled the year they lost to the Cavs? Kerr has been riding the coattails of his stars since that playoff run. KD gave him cover for everything he was not doing as a coach, and he accepted it.
begginerboy
begginerboy
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

This goes to game 7....Dubs win game 5....Miss too many shots in game 5 especially Curry had a horrible game offensively and defensively ...And I will give props to Raptors for making all those 3's in the 2nd half....Not sure how many times Curry left Danny green wide open trying to help out...

Therein lies the problem, Dave. I'll use my response to you to more so respond to BB.

BB, these guys are human beings. You don't force a guy to go if it can potentially harm him in the long run. I think the decision to sit Klay probably was above even Steve Kerrs pay grade. The ownership group may not be sure about KD's future but they've been pretty adament that they are sure of Klay's future. Klay has been a tank over the course of his career. You don't jeopardize his durability. And more specifically, you don't open a brand new, very expensive, privately funded arena with now two injury prone splash brothers. Likewise, as a coach, you don't tank a guy in a playoff game that you are competing in. Even when you know your chances of winning are slim and that you could be potentially jeopardizing "the War". Talk about being crucified. Bench Steph early in game 3 and see what happens.

The Warriors' do have a problem. And it can be blamed on the coaches. And the GM. And it's something that i've always known existed yet never realized how much of an issue it was until now. The Raptors' have made it glaring, and not so much with their defense. With their offense.

Golden State is one of few teams, if not the only, and definitely the only playoff team, that regularly puts a lineup all the floor with multiple players who are not scoring options. Even Philadelphia's Ben Simmons, who is criticized for being a guard who can't shoot, is still expected to score. He needs to develope a shot but for now he scores around the basket. Now let's look at this Raptor team. Every man can get a bucket. Their three bigs all routinely hit 3s. And Gasol and Ibaka, specifically, aren't Joel Embiid types content to hang out at the 3pt line. They are bangers in there for defense but they can get a bucket. The Warriors on the other end, are a team built around three prolific scorers who are expected to do the bulk of the scoring. And this is deeply flawed. This is not "strength in numbers"........



Stu, your analysis of the Warriors shortcomings are spot on. I have no quibble there except to say Kerr was not able to talk up the few bench guys who can shoot for this series the way he was able to do in the previous series. Maybe he should have spent more time doing that than worrying about Durant coming back. And that I do blame him for.
As far as his decision to leave Curry out there to play 1 on 5, and it was really 1 on 5, he made a big mistake, regardless of his intentions. He gets paid to make unpopular decisions that are in the best interest of his team. He already made one in keeping Thompson out, so why stop half-way? Because he is a coward. And did not want the heat.
begginerboy
begginerboy
Quote Originally Posted by itjunkie:

Kerr obviously thought he would have klay,looney and kd back for game 4 and drop an atomic bomb on the raptors. Sadly, kd didnt suit up, and they simply didnt have enough weapons... I guess this explains his decision to let curry pad his stats on g3



Exactly. I think he miscalculated in a bad way, was given bad info, or Durant surprised everyone by deciding not to play. But they are all damning. Either he is an idiot, a dupe, or does not have the pulse of his team/players.
begginerboy
begginerboy
Quote Originally Posted by bobmaloogatimesfive:

There will be no game 6

But if there is, Scott Foster will be there:) you can bet your bottom dollar on that.
begginerboy
begginerboy
Did I not say the Raptors are the play in game 5? But they will not win a game 6 if, by miracle, we get there.
begginerboy
begginerboy
So many thoughts...where do I begin. I'll begin with addressing the topic of this thread. It is difficult for me to fathom what Kerr and his staff were thinking in deciding to sit Thompson in game 3 (essentially conceding the game) and then letting Curry empty his tank in a game they had only a slim chance of pulling out. It really boggles the mind. Had he just allowed Curry to get a good workout in (playing him half the game), even letting the Raptors blow them out, and then going all in in game 4, which was less than 48 hours away, I'd understand. Instead, Kerr made the worst possible decision of all. He sat Thompson (thereby wasting Curry's efforts by giving him no help) and forced Curry to empty the tank in a certain losing effort.

The reason I was so confident about the Warriors winning game 4 is because I was sure Kerr new something we didn't (i.e., that Durant and Looney were both coming back), otherwise what kind of a moron would let his best player go out there and play 1 on 5 for over 40 minutes, especially as the guy is jump shooter (so he needs his legs) and is slight of build: Curry is not built like LBJ or a Jordan, and his game is completely different. They talk about Kerr being an intellectual but has the guy ever read Sun Tzu's The Art of War?! In essence, Kerr tried to win the battle (i.e., game 3, with diminished troops) thereby sinking his chances to win the war. Hell, if he had just been an avid tennis watcher, he would have seen countless times a player tanks a set (because he knows himself and the opponent well enough to know he does not have enough in him to take that particular set, either due to injury or fatigue) in order to 1) preserve himself for the all important final set and 2) lull his opponent into false sense of security. And this strategy works more often than not. What does not work, however, is hedging your bets by going half in in all games played.

And there are so many more things to complain about regarding Kerr:

1) Playing Cousins in game 4  after his performance in game 3, and then finally having to bench him.
 
2) Sticking to his stupid rotations and pulling Thompson (who is the only guy scoring) out in the 3rd quarter with the Warriors clinging to a 2 point lead with a little over 4  minutes left. The rest is history.
 
3) Playing mind games with his own team (instead of the opponent) by constantly dangling Durant in front of them as a savior when he himself doesn't know what the hell is going on.

Let's just say if Kerr, instead of being an All-American, laid back liberal, "intellectual" white dude, had been a black Methodist preacher coach, with little formal education, he would be crucified by the mainstream media and figuratively lynched for his decisions.

Regarding game 5, the only way the Warriors have a chance in hell  is 1) The powers that be want this series extended because of Durant's return in game 5, and all the drama/revenue that will create and/or the Raptors lay  an absolute egg. Otherwise, the Raptors should be the play here.

If, by miracle, the Warriors win this game, they will absolutely blow the Raptors out in game 6 in Oracle. You don't even have to think about that one. I would rate that bet a 9 out of 10. The Raptors are not going back to Oracle and winning. 

begginerboy
begginerboy
Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:


Good thing you’re not posting plays. You would be losing your pants. Sit back and enjoy the games like the Warriors homer that you are.

I only predicted who would be officiating in game 2 and which way the whistles would go...Nostradamus couldn't have done better. 
begginerboy
begginerboy
"Not having anyone makes a difference because everyone -- when you assemble a team, everyone brings something different," Green said. "But no one cares if guys are hurt. Everybody wants to see us lose. So I'm sure people are happy they're hurt. We just got to continue to battle and win the next game, go back to Toronto, win Game 5, come back to Oracle, win Game 6 and then celebrate. Fun times ahead."

begginerboy
begginerboy
I've watched this team long enough to know they will throw the kitchen sink at the Raptors come Friday. The Raptors played the game of their life on the road (hitting 44% from 3) and the Warriors were never out of striking distance. That was more amazing than anything the Raptors did, imo. If Cousins does not stink up the joint, the Warriors have a real shot to win the game. If Thompson plays, they do win this game. I love the Warriors on Friday. I'm not worried about the rusty offense (if KD and Thompson return, and they will) because their defense will suffocate the Raptors on Friday. If Warriors don't win by dd, I'll be shocked
begginerboy
begginerboy
These are all wonderful examples, Scal. But the reason we remember them is because they were such epic meltdowns. I bet for every one of those examples, there are at least a half dozen examples where the comeback did not work, or the better team did not melt down the stretch because of a great time out, a great pep talk, a well designed play. We just don't remember those instances because they are more common! They happen all the time.
begginerboy
begginerboy
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Disagree in that calling a time out would have mattered little.

Curry couldn’t hit the side of a barn with his shot in the last 5 minites (or anyone else). 

Neither could Rasheed vs. LA in 2000 in the 4th. Neither could the Nets stop the bleeding in 2002 ECF Game 3 vs. the Celtics up 65-39 in the third only to lose the game. Neither could the Clippers in 2015 when they gave up a 19 point lead to the Rockets in Game 6. Shall I go on? I can.

I watched all these games. Time outs and clip boards sound nice. They do little in real life as the team folds like a wet newspaper. When the players on the court are begging to lose, they almost always...lose.

This are all wonderful examples, Scal. But the reason we remember them is because they were such epic meltdowns. I bet for every one of those, there are at least a half dozen examples where the comeback did not work, or the better team did not melt down the stretch because of a great time out, a great pep talk, a great designed play. We just don't remember those because are so much more common! 
begginerboy
begginerboy
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Bb I do remember. You have a lot of good things to say. That is why I log on here to read your posts. And when it all came down to it, after all the soliloquies concerning Kerr, both you and I know that the bottom line is that the series was lost through the Green suspension and the last 4:39 where a 73 win team could barely graze the rim.

Byron Scott or Red Auerbach (polar extremes) could have been on the sidelines for the Warriors and the result would have been similar if not the same: you go to war with who got you there and what got you there and the team totally lost it.

That along with Green pulling an Artest lost them the series. Kerr “adjustments” is quibbling from a hardcore Warriors fan. And I get it and on a deeper level it is a sophisticated conversation. But big picture it really isn’t on the table for meaningful argumentation as to how the series was lost (ie, a minimalist approach of Green + worst shooting stretch of the year at the most crucial time in the most crucial game).



For the most part I agree, but coaches (like players) also cost teams championships:

1) Pop taking Duncan out at the end of game 6 in Miami, in order to match up with the smaller Heat. Nobody on SA could secure a rebound. The rest is history...

2) Doc Rivers, running his starters into the ground in game 7 of the finals in LA, because he refused to trust his bench which had come through for him in previous games. 

3) Pat Riley letting John Starks shoot his team into oblivion in game 7 of the finals. 

I'm sure there are better examples, but you get the point. Coaches, like players, also fail, choke, have brain farts. Kerr certainly did in game 7. Putting Ezili on LBJ was a joke, and he did not fix that mistake until it was too late. The Warriors 7 point lead in the 4th vanished. Poof. Just like that.
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