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DiscoD69
DiscoD69
the media wont even report on it...if bush was in office it would be front page news. equally abhorrent no matter who's in office but wars and drone attacks and torture and killing american citizens without warranta or due process is a-ok under obama
Crashdavis565
Crashdavis565
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=youtu.be

best 5 minute video ever made on 9/11 conspiracy

that being said, i dont know what to believe. i know our government is full of shit and there are holes everywhere in every story told about that day

for what its worth, ive seen an A & E for 991 Truth live presentation. pretty compelling
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wall - the disdain for taxation is simply because i believe the market is the best barometer for services

if i have no kids in school, should i pay for local schools? if so, then apartment renters in my town with kids in public schools should pay a piece of my landscaping bill

its the same principle

if i came to your house every two weeks with a gun and demanded 25-30% of what you earn for the betterment of society as i see fit, you would have the police arrest me and press charges for armed robbery. why is taxation any different?
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Quote Originally Posted by DiscoD69:


I think this is actually a pretty good example of what separates libertarians from typical conservatives. Many conservatives realize in a modern society we need some form of basic taxation (yes they want as low as possible, but 'none' is not really realistic). Hence my quote. I think that is a smart, reasonable approach. 

Assuming something has to be taxed, I agree with the notion that we should tax things we don't want, while lowering taxes on things we do want, like income which is productivity. Right now income is heavily taxed while things like oil companies are actually subsidized.



the only time you will find me defending government is when i speak to an anarchist or anarcho capitalist or whe i have to defend the Constitution. its very tough to have a free society and be a free people when government and private banks rob you through the currency you earn (inflation)

lets start with questions:

-who owns your labor? you or government
-who is best to determine how your earnings are spent? you or government
-do you believe that only government can build roads?
-do you believe that government mandates services that are not demanded by the market?
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“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”
? Frédéric Bastiat, The Law
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@26 and 27

there was no income tax in the US until 1913. did we not have a society until then?

only government can provide the goods or services citizens need?

i am not against schools because i am against government run schools. just as i am not against feeding the poor because i am against government feeding the poor

please make the distinction
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Quote Originally Posted by DiscoD69:


Why are renewable energy companies 'evil' or a scam but oil companies are encouraged, when the one which exploits a finite resource is by far the most detrimental? Why is it ok told hold stock of and promote companies that deal with fossil fuels but not green energy companies? One helps the planet and represents the future, while the other hurts the planet.  

That is ass backwards my friend.

Also, Subsidizing oil companies is not letting the market decide. 

I recently heard a conservative say 'we should be taxing what we don't want (pollution/carbon) and not taxing what we do want (income ie productivity).'

I'm all for that. This is the kind of conservative I could get in bed with. 

 


i am not for oil subsidizes either

conservatives shouldnt want any tax on anything. taxation is theft.

the government shouldnt be directing investment. that's tantamount to picking winners and losers and distorting the market. if the true price of a gallon of gas is $8, so be it. the market will demand a cheaper alternative

if putting solar panels on your roof was such a good deal for the consumer, then the government wouldnt be subsidizing the installation at 110% which runs $30k
depeche2
depeche2
Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:



The Dems passed on single payer in the spirit of compromise knowing that the individual mandate was a long-held Republican idea.


compromising my tax dollars and my liberties so they can buy votes...politely speaking, no fucking way

none of any of the government involvement in health care or insurance is constitutional in any way shape or form
KOAJ
KOAJ
Thanks guys. Opening NIGHT sounds wrong. Should be a day game
KOAJ
KOAJ
Boston UNDER 90.5 3 units

LA Dodgers OVER 81 2 units

St Louis OVER 84.5 2 units

not a real baseball unit but just a breakdown of how i played it

Boston may finish in 4th place this year if the Jays are as good as people think. They have no pitching outside of Lester and now no pen. They may hit a ton but they will have to win games 10-6. Good luck playing 18 vs the Yanks and Rays also. AL East vs NL East in intra league as well

Dodgers finished strong last year and have the best pitcher and player in the NL. Loney is healthy and the pen is better or will be once Jensen takes over the closer role. DBacks take a step back, Rocks are ok, Giants offense will be bad again. Padres more rebuilding. Why not over .500 for Donnie Baseball?

Cards - losing Pujols wont slow them down that much...same with LaRussa. Catchers always make the best managers and Matheny should be a good one. Need the hitters to stay healthy and Berkman to be almost as good as he was last year. The division is as it was last year...2 rebuilding teams, one up and comer but not ready (pitt), one good offense, no pitching (Cincy), one good team (brewers) minus their best hitter.

gl whatever you play

my record has been pretty good on these over the past 3-4 years, losing 2 that i can remember over 4 years...probably a 6-2, 6-3 type mark considering i play 2 a year
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agreed drj

no one can prove one way or another that man has made the earth warmer. on a 4b year old planet we could still be warming from the last ice age 100k years ago

then again, 35 years ago, Global Cooling was the rage

carbon taxing, carbon credits, green energy...all of it a scam and all of it thievery by corporatists, hyprocrites, crooked politicians and crooked banksters

Enron, CCX, Agenda 21, Sustainable Development, Kyoto Accord...all became prominent under Clinton/AlGore who happens to have a hedge fund investing primarily in green energy industry which is only around because of government subsidy

let the market decide. 40 years ago, americans didnt know they needed more efficient vehicles, Honda and Datsun and Toyota showed them they did
DiscoD69
DiscoD69
all good disco

debate is a good thing. i would spend 3 years to convince one person to open his eyes to the world i see
Crashdavis565
Crashdavis565
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

BMA, the US government has been at war for 200+ years. This country owned slaves for 400+ years, has the highest incarceration rate in the world, is in the business of pharmaceuticals, the CIA was caught selling crack, US troops are guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan, the US military drops bombs on civilian targets, the US government experimented with chemical weapons on it own soldiers, the bush administration made billions on government contracts, lied about WMD's to go to war and sent US soldiers to die for colonialism, money, oil, lithium, minerals, industrialism, drugs, and yet you still believe the government isn't capable of killing it's own citizens for power and money?





actually when our currency was backed by gold or silver, we were not at war. with a flexible fiat currency we can be at war all the time. Fed created in 1913. since then, 100 years of war to equate with the 100 years of fiat currency

the only thing you are missing is why we went to war in afghanistan & iraq and why they want war in syria, libya, and iran

its because those nations do not, or did not have a privately owned central bank...or they were going to trade their oil for gold or euros instead of US dollars

understand that and you understand why we are in the middle east and why so many of our brothers have gone and died

BMA - the Dems and Republicans in Congress work for the Fed as does the President. The Fed works for its owners. Who are its owners? no one knows for sure
Crashdavis565
Crashdavis565
+1 to Money for linking to Operation Northwoods

now google the Gulf of Tonkin

false flags...all of it

19 Saudi nationals with box cutters and hijacked 767's and 2 hours were able to get past the DoD, the US military, NORAD, and NATO

funny how none of us believe government statistics on the economy, job numbers, green energy, or anything else as we know there is an agenda yet these muslims did it because they hate that we are a "free" people and we all eat this shit up

war is big business and is a racket. the patriot act was written in 1995 by Joe Biden among others. Afghanistan has 90% of the world's poppy fields which GW Bush ordered specifically not to burn them (this is how the taliban made their money). our CIA guards them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_54LJMwG4E

War is big business...debt and bombs enslave generations to bankers. Importing heroin is big business.

Our government runs guns to Mexican gangs and allows them to bring them across our border!!!! (Fast and Furious)

the same AG who oversaw Fast Furious (Eric Holder) was the FBI official who gave the ok to supply McVeigh and Nichols with their hundreds of pounds of fertilizer and nitrates

why do we believe anything or selective things our government tells us....
SarasotaSlim
SarasotaSlim
the republican ideology of today is not much different from Abe Lincoln

Lincoln was very far away from libertarian thought...he was a statist and an all powerful central government lover
J_Galt
J_Galt
cd - my post and ideas in what you referenced equates to liberty or rather the absence of coercion. everything you posted below justifies the government sticking a gun in my back and taking whatever they need if the mobocracy (51%) demands it. what you describe is not a free society

re: pensions...its a ponzi. i'm sorry but it is. you cannot assume 8% rate of return and get it. almost all pension plans do

i was referencing mikael's post about using tax money to pay for hospitals. fyi, when we needed a hospital in the last few years it was done at a private religious hospital that doesnt take a dime of taxpayer money. my expense was covered by the private health insurance that i carry for my family (very expensive)

re schools: if you are free to choose your food, your landscaper, your clothing, why shouldnt you be free to choose your children's school? instead you are forced by zip code and teachers union to go to a certain school. do you only eat at restaurants in your town or can you open a kitchen drawer and find take out menus from 100 restaurants within a 10 mile radius

education is a product like everything else bought in the marketplace yet when government takes it over, it demands you pay for services you may or may not need and charges above market rates because the elected officials are in cahoots with the public employees bargaining against you. there is no right to it, just like there is no right to health insurance (health care is going for a job every morning and not eating mcdonalds)
KOAJ
KOAJ
fwiw, i like Kansas +6. so if i can get a cover and a UK win, then i should be good on all counts
KOAJ
KOAJ
the New York Yankees have won the World Series

1948, 49, 51, 58, 78, 96, 98

in case you like +600 6 month futures
J_Galt
J_Galt
Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:

This is not totally true. In some countries people pay taxes because they know it goes to public schools, hospitals, free health care, pensions and such.

Then there is USA.........................................


so i understand...i need to pay more in taxes to fund schools in which i have no children, hospitals which i do not use, free healthcare (of which i buy my own) and pensions for jobs i do not have

sounds good. please justify the morality in stealing 40% of my income to pay for shit i dont need or want

thanks

J_Galt -  go read Fransisc D'Anconia's money speech to find the root of all evil in this country and why it started in 1913
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i wish i only paid 5900 a year