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Quote Originally Posted by Hirschfelder:

You are restricted not because you win, but because you took errors in markets. Your account got marked because of that, that is why they don't want your business. And the industry is small, so your reputation is mud with every bookmaker.

The people restricted to $50 across the industry are grubs who take errors and arbers, the business 99% of the bookmakers in the world don't want. Winners get restricted to several hundred

Don't believe me, ask your old work mate from Commsec MS. He was the first to highlight your bets. Still unsure, ask the lebanese guy who looked after you account GK.




first sentence edited correctly
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You are either too stupid or too stubbon to join dots
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You are restricted not because you took errors in markets. Your account got marked because of that, that is why they don't want your business. And the industry is small, so your reputation is mud with every bookmaker.

The people restricted to $50 across the industry are grubs who take errors and arbers, the business 99% of the bookmakers in the world don't want. Winners get restricted to several hundred

Don't believe me, ask your old work mate from Commsec MS. He was the first to highlight your bets. Still unsure, ask the lebanese guy who looked after you account GK.


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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:


Read carefully....when i say banned, i mean severely restricted...

What part of that dont you understand?


post 27.

Do you know the difference between a stop sign and a give way sign?

sorry if I can't keep up with your fairytakes
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:


So you know what is going on inside the bookmakers desk at Pinnacle?????

Also, these types of bets get drip fed....they dont place it all on in 1 hit.



I do know actually. The live MLB trader is Australian, from western sydney

Doesn't matter if you place 600,000 $1 bets or 20 $30k bets, 600k liability is still 600k liability
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I can give the initials of the 4 individuals australia wide banned - EH, DA, SF, AP.

You have a mate that is a bookmaker at the TAB, ask him why. Another great classic rostos story

The TAB is a listed entity in Australia, they cannot lie about bets placed as it misleads the market. Did you stop and think that maybe the guy who had the 15k bet is a large losing punter?
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

As is said, i have seen Hayson and some of Manly's biggest stars (yes the ones who everyone is suggesting) many many times in Manly Wharf Bar and Shore Club (when it was open) together with, lets say Haysons employees from one of his infamous establishments absolutely living it up

Why are they hanging him around? Because he shouts them drinks? 




One players brother is his bodyguard. Little wonder you see that player with him

Hayson still owes Stilettos employees wages. They won't be hanging around him
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So if Pinnacle takes a massive bet on the island of Curaçao and in Malta they are going to call the NRL integrity unit? 





You obviously didn't read the article read what the traders did to the market.

Yes, pinnacle are just going to watch 600k roll onto one side and sit on their hands and do nothing? No wonder you have no idea
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:


Which punters bet overseas?

The vast majority of punters that bet overseas do so because they are BANNED from betting here....

The others that bet overseas is due advantages they can get on price.

If i am able to bet here with no restrictions, why should i bet overseas? UNLESS i have something untoward.


I bet overeas, I am banned from nowhere. I often have to take a lesser price then what is available locally

Am I banned? No

Am I price shopping? No

So why am I forced overseas?
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You can count on one hand the number of banned cutomers australia wide.

You want the smart ones betting with you. Let them on to win $500, and that is a tip to tell you where the market is moving. bookmaking risk management 101.

WHERE WAS THE 600K TO OFFSET THE MONEY ON SOUTHS? If action dictates the price, why was there no significant movement? Are you saying that one person bet $600,00 one one side in two NRL games, and coincidently, there just happened to be $600,000 in the market at one bookmaker to offset this? And this money was not around for the other 199 games last season. What a coinicidence!

Get this into your head - THIS NEVER HAPPENED. This whole thing is a farce. Just like how organised crime infiltrated all the clubs with PED's, yet the only thing that came out if it was one scared player rolling over on Dank and a guy with a stupid haircut. Real underworld figures those 2 idiots. We're all still waiting for the bikie links to drug distibution across multiple codes to be shown.

The only thing that will be swept under the carpet is the ruined reputations of innocent players
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Souths 1.53 - 1.73 - 1.68
Roosters 1.38 - 1.78 - 1.65
melbourne 1.43 - 1.75 - 1.44
newcastle 7.13 - 11.09 - 8.09
Warriors 2.46 - 2.79 - 2.52
canberra 1.43 - 1.52 - 1.46

every team in every game, whether they won or lost, saw support at some stage at Pinnacle. And all closed lower then their top price
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

"The flow of money to foreign bookies is posing a risk to the integrity of sport and siphoning revenue that would otherwise be returned to the community and racing industry, Ms Dwyer told shareholders at the $3 billion company's annual meeting on Tuesday."


Tabcorp chairwoman Paula Dwyer





translation - we are losing revenue to overseas competition, please change the laws to protect us
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:


LOL, how much money was on the other side? Do you have the sheets?




bulldogs 1.83 - 2.53 - 2.40
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Think about it. Why do you think all the bookmakers have lobbied to the govt recently to ban Australians betting with overseas bookmakers?
First of all, why would Australians bet with an overseas bookmaker? The main reasons are punters who are essentially banned here and cant get on so they are forced to go overseas. Another reason is price. Another reason is the avenue to fix. Pinnacle dont have any obligations to the nrl, afl etc etc in terms of reporting.
I found it hilarious that the books used the reason that the punter is unprotected , ie they might not get paid etc etc. You think the tab, sportsbet etc give a darn about the punter in this regard? Lol
No, they realise the sport they bet on can be easily rigged with fixers betting overseas.
Overseas books like pinnacle have no reporting oobligations to the sporting bodies here.
Any punter with half a brain that wants to fix would bet overseas.


why do bookmakers want betting overseas banned? BECAUSE THEY WANT ALL THE CUSTOMERS HERE. Is it that hard to understand?

How can you rig a game when the max bet is 30k? And that is only on gameday. Right now I can only bet to win 3300 at Pinnacle. How can you fix a match doing that?

You do understand that a max bet will move the line don;t you? And there was apparently $600,00 bet on each game. So 20 max bets at Pinnacle moves the line 20c? Firstly, they would close the game after a few max bets for their own protection. Then after every max bet the odds change. If every max bet moves the line a few cents, what happens after 20?

and Pinnacle are going to sit by and let all these bets on? They don't react to a string of bets? They do it when they see a string of small bets (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/25/sports/tennis/match-fixing-australian-open-mixed-doubles-betting.html?_r=0), why not large?

Surely you're not too stupid to understand all of this
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-08/overseas-odds-dropped-in-fixing-suspected-nrl-matches/7488864

OVERSEAS ones champ.


The article refers to Pinnacle, which was first raised in the article I linked.

Odds moved from 1.93 to 1.74. Whoopy do. This past weekend Cronulla reached as high as 2.00 at Pinnacle, as low as 1.59 and closed at 1.65. Gold Coast Titans as high as 2.51 and as low as 2.22, Wests Tigers as high as 3.19 and as low as 2.15, Penrith as high as 3.05 and low of 2.18, North Qld 1.13 to 1.07, Broncos 1.61 to 1.47, Manly 3.10 to 2.71. These are all the Pinnacle movements for these games.

Do you know why the odds moved in South Sydneys favour in that game? It wouldn't have anything to do with Issac Luke being a late inclusion, wearing the #23 jersey?

Seriously, you are so out of your depth here


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Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

It does seem odd that all the bookmakers have been silent ever since this story broke. 

So where is this story originating from Loz? Also why now, the day after the first Origin game?


My understanding is that the media knew of it for a few weeks. One policeman blabbed to a couple of journo's. Without anything concrete to back it up they sat on it (they didn't know teams or games). Some tried to allude to it, which is why there was a random Paul Kent article a week before about betting. It was actually Kate McClymont at the Herald who did the digging and found out the details. She is the crime reporter and not sport, so doesn't care who she upsets in the game.  It was sat on for another 48 hours so that it would get full coverage after Origin, not get lost in pre-Origin hype.

How did it all originate? The same way ICAC found out about Margaret Cuneen. A common thread links the two

Interesting note in todays SMH

"Corporate bookmakers licensed in Australia and Tabcorp have not reported any unusual betting trends associated with two games during last season's premiership that are at the centre of NSW Police enquiries into allegations of match-fixing."

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/nrl-punters-using-overseas-bookmakers-to-avoid-detection-of-massive-bets-20160607-gpdqj6.html#ixzz4AwP2quwf
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Just knew rostos will claim this as all fact. Reality tells a different story.

Which bookmaker lets Hayson have a bet? He owes most of them money and nobody wants anything to do with him because he doesn't pay debts. Which bookmaker lets anybody associated with hayson have a bet? Which bookmaker allows anybody associated with Hayson have these bets for these amounts?

Which bookmaker took these bets? All bookmakers have denied taking these bets. As most are listed operations, either here or Europe, they have requirements to be honest about bets of htis nature. If it was a smaller, non-listed operation (like a Top Sport), where are their bets laying off?

Why did the line in the Parra v Manly game move in the opposite direction? Why did it open at -21.5 and close at -25? Weight of money reduces the line

Every bookmaker is required to let the NRL integrity unit know of every bet for a liability over $10,000. Did any bookmakers do this? If they did, what have the integrity unit done with it for nearly 12 months? If they didn't notify the NRL, will this bookmaker lose their license to bet on NRL as the rules dictate? Did none of it happen because these bets never happened?

Bookmakers are the first to raise issues of suspect betting, generally before the event (eg Tandy). Why did no bookmaker say anything at the time and not one has said anything since? Why hasn't one leaked to their media buddies "shady dealings" in these 2 games? Bookmakers hate losing money.

Which bookmaker takes bets of this size? Which bookmaker takes bets of these size from anybody once their first bet wins? Which bookmaker takes bets of this size against one team, when the customers previous large bet against this team won?

If it was at Pinnacle it would take 20 max bets to reach these amounts. If that happened the line would have nearly halved in each game. And if that happened every bookmaker in Australia would move with them. That didn't happen

People in the industry are laughing at this. There is no evidence, from bets taken to line movements, that corroborates any of these allegations. This is just "Blackest day in Australian sport" Mark II

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Quote Originally Posted by VEGAS25:



Thanks for the post.  I understand their lines can give better value on point spreads but just because they have to pay taxes doesn't justify shafting the public, especially when they have a monopoly.  Everybody pays taxes, man!


Do you know what tax rate Pinnacle pays in Curacao? 0.7%

NZ Tab has to pay in various taxes, licenses and product fees over 5.5% on turnover (not revenue). Huge difference
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Post #8 gets in

product fees and return to relevent industries are a bookmakers biggest expense in this part of the world
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

I have been watching more NFL lately due to Hayne. Everyone wanks on hard about the quarter back, but my observation is, it really comes down to the offensive lineman and the people who accept passes like wide recievers....

I watched that Denver Broncos / Detroit Lions game last night. Everyone keeps on wanking on about that Peyton Manning and how good he is and how rubbish that Lions QB Stafford is.....but seriously, Manning had sooooo much more time to do whatever he wanted and whenever he did pass to someone, they were in so much better position where as Stafford continually had someone down his throat.........

Sure the QB is important, but it seems to me that the QB is really only as good as his offensive blockers are and how free his wide recievers can get.

The more time you get, the better decisions you can make and be more effective and the more free your wide recievers can get, the less onus on the QB to make a perfect pass.



Similar to the same principle in league - halves are no good if the pack doesn't dominate

And Peyton Manning is doing ok for a guy pushing 40 who has no feeling in the tops of his fingers
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