ZOUK

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ZOUK
Boxing > Chavez Sr (89-1-1 or 11-1-0) Those that never heard... > View Post
True.. old timers said to me, if you didn't great controversy, the fight was only very good.

ZOUK
Boxing > LIAR: DEHOYOS caught clean in lie regaring his BS... > View Post
If I wanted any are all posts or even your ID removed I can do to policy and the threats you made to me... HELLO???


ZOUK
Boxing > JC SuperStar JR > View Post
Your bias towards anyone related to Chavez, from his hometown or with that name... get's you all amped!

When Sweat Pea gives you a boxing clinic and Oscar dismantles your grill... TWICE, and Randall gave you more than you can handle, and you won a cheated fight when Taylor won the fight but got the life beat out of him, don't ever consider such a fighter a top 10 lbs-for-lbs.
Chavez's strong points: Great chin, excellent use of head to body punching ratio that physically would break opponents down, over-achiever as his hand speed was average but he was a technical master and he fought using a very important concept, and maybe was the best at doing this... he never threw a punch that didn't have a purpose (basically, it was though like a chess game and not a reaction to his opponent but a proactive process. As the main function and source of all matter in energy, he was able to use his precisely.
When training fighters I used many fighters for different reasons, but it is hard to show a new fighter a Roy Jones Jr 90s fight and tell him to do certain things because Roy was a natural freak. I showed film of fighter with great technique, fundamentals and fighters who properly showed how to cut off a ring, using head and body combos then switching thus confusing his opponent. Also, using his jab 1/3 of the time to do damage and cause fighters to reset (defensive as well), 1/3 of the time to set up distance measured punches, and a final 1/3 to slip in and get inside and back his opponent toward the ropes and allow him to rip 4-5 punch combo's.
That is the type of film you use as a teaching tutorial. I used about a dozen fighters, but Chavez and two others over half the film time.

ZOUK
Boxing > JC SuperStar JR > View Post
QUOTE Originally Posted by DeHoyos:

Its either Julio or no play imo....


 




Apparently you see something in the fight that is technical (not that he is Mexican) and therefore you found something in your handicapping. If that's the case, and you like Julio it's +180. If you don't like him, -200 is a small favorite and you should be betting Sergio. If the odds were +300/-400 then that is a huge differential.

ZOUK
Boxing > JC SuperStar JR > View Post
Ragin Bull was GREAT!!! Gotta love when Jake goes down stairs when his brother and family are eating dinner and Jake's wife flipped and said she sucked his brother and etc... and he went down and beat the Fuk out of him.
Chavez wasn't forced out of welterweight because he was so good. Chavez's greatest and most dominating years weren't filmed.
Robinson rematched and defeated every fighter who beat him. He fought LaMotta, lost, fought another great opponent and won, rematched Lamotta within 21 days (that's 3 fights) he beat him despite the size differential. No one comes close to the real Sugar with wins, dominance, consistency...etc. People forgot he mentally lost passion after he had dreams off killing his next opponent. After wanting the delaying the of the fight, finally he was influenced to fight... and he killed the guy.
Remember the fact that with mob betting that many fighters had to throw fights and losses before a title show. Now, take the fact how hard it was for black fighters!
You saw the list of HOF fighters Robinson fought and several times and won in dominant fashion, as Chavez never faced the likes of such talent.

The idea a certain guy has the greatest chin ever is stupid. Either they have phenomenal, great, good, average, bad or a glass jaw or china chin.

ZOUK
Boxing > Greatest Mexican Boxers (All-Time) > View Post
The first step to recovery is dropping DENIAL! You are on VIVA MEXICO fighter's S@LTY-NUTS@C%...
I was raised on the streets since 13 so I know how to scrap, and I'm so hardcore I was at a fight before I was born!!! LOL!

LET ME BOLD IN BIG LETTERS AND TYPE ESPANOL SO PEOPLE KNOW ME AS HONDURAS!!!!


ZOUK
Boxing > Greatest Mexican Boxers (All-Time) > View Post
You backed out and insinuated you wouldn't get political in the boxing forum. Fine. Post your answer to my question in the Political Forum. Wasn't that your excuse for not answering me???

ZOUK
Boxing > Greatest Mexican Boxers (All-Time) > View Post
QUOTE Originally Posted by DeHoyos:
This isnt the Politics Forum ZOUK.....



Nice way to back down. Feel free to post it in Politic Forum.
Also, the is the boxing forum, not the Idol Worship, or Icon only posting forum. If you have anything to add besides Chavez Corona or his son, post it in Fantasy Sports as your quote about Jr breaking papa's records is Fantasy. In reality, Jr has fought and fights tough and the best opponents.
Or a good spot would be ARCHIVES for Sr... it's been a long time since he was fighting tomato cans in the local Mexican HS gym!
Although it's not the Political Forum... I like how you started your fancy sentence..." Anti-Neofuedalistic eugenics based
planetary finance capitol controlled colonialism or World government run
by private banking cartels to establish a deindustrialized serf based
colonialism AKA Hell on Earth".

ZOUK
Boxing > MAYWEATHER IS NOT UNDEFEATED BY THE WAY!!!!!! > View Post
Michael Wilbon : I know he is a sports commentator, which usually means that most are clueless, even in their sport of expertise. They comment, not analyze or handicap. Often they are the worst source of information regarding a sports matchup. I think it was the late Bob McCune (long time handicapper and one of the first to produce any good handicapping material. He once wrote, listening to sports commentators or broadcasters as they breakdown a sports matchup appears to be one of the daggers to the avid handicapper. Usually they are only privy to info they are given my a network, and thus can lead a handicapper that's on the fence for a game over to the wrong side. He wrote that before others were on the bandwagon!

Most top athletes are not cowards, especially anyone who steps in to the ring. Mayweather has been considered the #1 lbs4lbs fighter (or somewhere in 99% peoples top ten) for many years almost nearing a decade. I don't think a coward would be that able to accomplish that!

If you are not considering Mayweather not fighting Manny a reason to
call him a coward, what is your basis on the man's basis for being a
coward?

ZOUK
Boxing > Greatest Mexican Boxers (All-Time) > View Post
Your Location says Texas...hmmm. OK. I asked a question and you answered it, but added a bunch of BS to accomplish.... oh, nothing as usual. If Martinez loses, back on your knees for the Chavez family with the groupies, and not for prayer! You played hoops in USA?

A Serious Question for a man posting big statements:
If Mexico is so great (so many Viva Mexico chants from people), why does the USA have a major immigration problems mainly from Mexico? If it is so great, why do they risk their lives and sneak over the border?
If what you say is true, then 2+2 no longer equals 4.
This is not a question to downgrade people, but a question to a supporter and believer in Mexico.
I'm not a racial person. I have close friends from every continent and very diverse backgrounds and beliefs, so my intent is far from being a joke or an insult.

ZOUK
Boxing > JC SuperStar JR > View Post
3 Months later you reply. Are you in a time warp...lol! BTW- Your quote about JCC Jr saying he doesn't want to be the son of JCC, I want to be the new Julio Cesar Chavez. He copied Mayweather who said that over a year ago regarding that he is not Floyd Mayweather Jr... he is Floyd Mayweather... period.
Also, you consistency to wait 3 months to reply to posts or conversations we had is a fact that you have serious problems. Either you stalk and wait 1 minute, or months later.
Also, you said JCC Jr could break all his fathers records... LOL. His father beat up tomato cans half his life so he more or less manufactured a large winning record. As for his son, he takes on who ever is best regardless.

ZOUK
Boxing > Greatest Mexican Boxers (All-Time) > View Post
QUOTE Originally Posted by DeHoyos:

VIVA MEXICO!!!!!


 




I'm curious you being such a Mexican fan and also it appears you have more love and respect for Mexico than the States.
My question is... why don't you live there?

ZOUK
Boxing > MODERATORS: and members remaining... > View Post
Do you post Icons to increase your number of posts? You seem to even reply to your own threads up to 10 times in a row? The $20 to $20k HONDA BOY. Born after Taylor beat Chavez but he was live at the fight.
You worship an alcoholic over-achiever. He got beat by Sweat Pea, Randall, and Oscar Demolished a face that was in need of reconstructive surgery. Oscar never beat a premiere champion in his career mainly as his weight class should have stayed lower but money was at welter and middle that time. He made each bout close, except he got the Strum decision as a $100 million PPV event was riding on the win. Fighting B-Hop was all hype as he had no chance.
With all the trouble with Mosley, Tito, Strum, Manny, Floyd.. HOW DID HE DESTROY CHAVEZ WITH SUCH EASE? I actually felt bad as he won the Randall rematch, he avenged the Taylor loss, 7 straight wins after his first technical record loss, and at 33 he was looking sharp stopping 5 out of his last 7 bouts.

You think Chavez got paid to lose? I guess after all the talk of Oscar being soft as he wasn't a true Mexican fighter and Chavez was the symbol of what Mexican fighters were all about. Apparently the joke was on us, because the real Mexican warrior not only spanked an over-rated Hero, but he did it again for fun.

These are not opinions... I can send you YOUTUBE links like you do, but it's an embarrassment to Modern Mexican Warriors Like Marquez, Morales, Barrera, Lopez...

I guess all the years beating tomato cans to pump his stats, then beating average champion fighters, it was a matter of time when the music stopped playing and it was Milli Vanilli all over again... cause YES YOU KNOW ITS TRUE!

ZOUK
Boxing > MODERATORS: and members remaining... > View Post
They all got shutdown last April... and FullTilt screwed its own players. I use to play PlanetPoker in late 90s, Paradise, Party, UB, PokerStars, many euro sites... now getting a 3rd party cash company for transfers is not legal in US. They are starting to legalize. The $50 story was a kid starting on PokerStars.

ZOUK
Boxing > MODERATORS: and members remaining... > View Post
You like quotes... meaning you have no thoughts of your own.
fab14: (to DeFago) you need to get help someone who talks about the same shit over & over needs to get there head checked

nc1capper: record books say floyd won- deal with it

Ktrain:  Scorecards determine the winner since castillio couldn't Knock him out, de joto

jasonperry91: So what's your point? bonds is not the home run king? bro I feel your mex/ Latin pride, but don't let your pride blind you!

mohjo: Dehoyos is obviously not smart either

These are all from one thread...LOL. There are people who like, dis-like, or don't care... you seem to have a following of dislikes. Nice try KID. He is right about Pride... that's all you have and BS stories of a fight you went to before you were born! What a joke! You should think before you lie as dummies confuse themselves. I know 20k is a life savings to you, but I won just under 100k on Holyfield over Tyson in my early 20's. At 30 I was playing poker in games that the average pot was 60k. So your point about 20k is all about relevance. If it helped support you for years...great. In my 20's these amount made a huge different... by 30 I had enough investments they were just tools for further investments and not life changing events.
As for your $20 to 20k... My friend placed top 5 in the main even WSOP for 3mil... he started with $50 online. What I didn't mention was he started with $50 almost 10 years prior to that score as he was playing the biggest games in the world in Macau once he turned 21! So your 20k story might impress you and your MEX/LAT pride, but I've seen it. Never for me, as I grinded my way up day-to-day, month-to-month, year to year! No big time lotto for me!

ZOUK
Boxing > MODERATORS: and members remaining... > View Post
Do you deny that they changed the outcome after the fight?

My post...
For many years the leading record books, including both Pugilato and The
Ring Record Book, recorded the first loss of Julio Cesar Chavez as
being by disqualification. This has since been changed to a knockout
victory for Chavez, based on
confirmation from the local boxing commission in Culiacan.
The
very interesting part is this... Ramon Felix, manager of Chavez,
happened to be a member of the Culiacan commission at the time.

True or False?
I did not say JCC was beat before FR won.
You agreed Sweat Pea beat JCC but it was a draw. Therefore I could have said Chavez was 87-1 instead of 87-0-1. Although technically wrong, you would have no gripe as you stated Pernell won in your eyes. So stop the lolly-gagn and find a real Hero... not a has been Father-Son Alcoholic team. Chavez has been finished nearing two decades.

His son is currently active. So we can read all the history, but let's keep it to Jr as he is the talk now because HE FIGHTS!!!!

ZOUK
Boxing > MODERATORS: and members remaining... > View Post
The thread "MAYWEATHER IS NOT UNDEFEATED BY THE WAY!!!!!!" has been going on for almost a year. First it has a false claim on its title. Secondly, it's continuation doesn't even follow the relevance of the title. This thread should be frozen or removed.
Also, the person who started the thread is the only person who keeps it going with icons, sometimes bashing and threats, etc. Everything that keeps this forum from flourishing. This is the type of nonsense that caused so many good handicappers to leave.
For the moderators, at some point it becomes clear when a member has no positive intentions and lacks any valid information besides a thread title that misleads claiming Mayweather is not undefeated.
Making a thread that implies they feel he lost is much different. There remains many others, but when you get a member who posts icons so his threads continue is a good sign of a downhill slide.
There are still a few very good cappers but even they can only take so much.
Thanks for your support!

ZOUK
Boxing > MAYWEATHER IS NOT UNDEFEATED BY THE WAY!!!!!! > View Post
6 weeks later you keep a thread going that is dead and should be taken off as first off it is technically wrong, and all you do is add to it to keep it going as it remain your greatest accomplishment to date.

ZOUK
Boxing > Chavez Sr (89-1-1 or 11-1-0) Those that never heard... > View Post
Why do you quote sentences taken out of context and follow up with Icons?
More than 2 weeks goes by and now you decide to continue a thread in
which was basically nothing more to add. Maybe you just need attention,
but unfortunately, this moment I don't have time to read and respond
NONSENSE that no one cares to read.

One thing maybe was established, people made quotes I was instigating
these threads of bad mouthing... but it may seem clear now that weeks
after we are finished on a thread, you need to keep it going with Icons
and repetitive info and bashing.

GL with you life online!

ZOUK
Boxing > Chavez vs Taylor (No Immediate Rematch... Why?) > View Post
More than 2 weeks goes by and now you decide to continue a thread in
which was basically nothing more to add. Maybe you just need attention,
but unfortunately, this moment I don't have time to read and respond
NONSENSE that no one cares to read.

One thing maybe was established, people made quotes I was instigating
these threads of bad mouthing... but it may seem clear now that weeks
after we are finished on a thread, you need to keep it going with Icons
and repetitive info and bashing.

GL with you life online!

ZOUK
Boxing > LIAR: DEHOYOS caught clean in lie regaring his BS... > View Post
More than 2 weeks goes by and now you decide to continue a thread in which was basically nothing more to add. Maybe you just need attention, but unfortunately, this moment I don't have time to read and respond NONSENSE that no one cares to read.
One thing maybe was established, people made quotes I was instigating these threads of bad mouthing... but it may seem clear now that weeks after we are finished on a thread, you need to keep it going with Icons and repetitive info and bashing.
GL with you life online!

ZOUK
Boxing > Martinez vs Chavez > View Post
First, it could have been the angle or the way it looked as Chavez is the taller guy and shorter arm, thus forearm size and wrist size sometimes makes it look skewed. We already know Martinez has the speed and accuracy to land one punch KOs. Chavez seems to be relentless never keying on one big shot unless it is a body shot. Hand size in this scenario doesn't help my decision process as some fights it does. When you had JMM step up to fight Mayweather, you could see all around size and hands, so it gives you an idea. This fight comes down to experience and if Chavez can get through the first 5 rounds without getting cut or swelling badly and can somehow reach Martinez's body.

ZOUK
Boxing > Martinez... why the scrutiny? > View Post
I agree with the p4p as over a dozen guys under welterweight are more deserving. Leonard was very smart as Jones was, but Roy got to a point he had never taken a punch, and the longer you go, the more fearful you are. It is like the stereotype on older people being conservative... it fits the model.
Leonard told Hearns how to be Benitez who when people name Hearns, Hagler and Leonard I am often disappointed Benitez is not mentioned.
Glad you mention Tito, as he was one of my favorite fighters at heart.
I was at the fights tonight and I bet a draw as the fight was -140/+120... only $25 for fun. First draw I ever bet, or at least won.

ZOUK
Boxing > Martinez... why the scrutiny? > View Post
You have a middleweight you brings his best every bout. Yes, he is not technically as versed or savvy as the legends, but he doesn't let up. He is an action fighter, and something more what boxing needs. People can criticize the division, but the man is always up to the task. He fights all the top ranked opponents and win a majority by KO. More fighters need his zest and willingness to bring it every moment against anyone.
Would you rather watch a legend like Sugar Ray Leonard fight Hagler and dance for twelve rounds, or Martinez fight another champ and go toe-to-toe. What Leonard did many fights is much different than Mayweather did... Mayweather strategically broke down his opponents with movement and countering, Leonard many times just got on his bicycle instead of any engagement. I'm not comparing the two, but when people comment how the past champions laugh at today's middleweight's, some should step back and see if they consistently brought it like Martinez does. Hagler did, Hearns did when he could, and Leonard did when he felt like it!!!
Any thoughts the same or different?

ZOUK
Boxing > Golovkin vs Proksa: Thoughts... Analysis? > View Post
Does anyone feel Proska is live here? I've seen far to little from each to make a very complete breakdown and was curious if anyone had the information or followed several fights from either fighter.
I will be at the fights visiting family in upstate and stopping ringside at Turning Stone Casino.
Also Gonzalez vs Dzinziruk. Dzinziruk is a small favorite but he has at least fought some competition Grade I and Grade II. Gonzalez as far as I see is lacking any top rate opponents yet.

Any thoughts on is Proska is a live dog and any breakdown on Dzinziruk's bout. Thanks!

ZOUK
Boxing > Martinez vs Chavez > View Post
rzagza: Too much contact here as a cut and swelling are favored. Also, Chavez constantly chasing could cause an inside headbutt. I'd use caution, but true about the chins.

ZOUK
Boxing > Greatest Mexican Boxers (All-Time) > View Post
I assumed we agreed on top two. Nice follow-up

ZOUK
Boxing > Martinez vs Chavez > View Post
jose suliaman was Don Kings total beotch for decades!!!! lol

ZOUK
Boxing > Greatest Mexican Boxers (All-Time) > View Post
1. Salvador Sanchez (Only loss was a SD. Died in a car accident at age 23. Only speculation, but had that accident not occurred, not only would no dispute me made on Mexico's greatest boxer or even athlete, but possibly considered among Sugar Ray Robinson as the elite of the very best.
2. Ricardo Lopez (The Master of Technician)

Then there is a gap IMO.

3A. Carlos Zarate (66-4-0 WITH 63 KOs ... WOW. Excitement!)
3B. Julio Cesar Chavez (Execution, Ring General and what makes it more impressive was his offensive physical skills were average for a good fighter, therefore making it much more difficult to win in dominating fashion. He had a hard punch and a great chin, but more so he had that freakish determination. The only fighter today I see with that is Juan Manuel Marquez.)
3C. Ruben Olivares (Again excitement. Stats of 89-13-3 with 78 KOs)

To me, the only active fighter among these ranks is Juan Manuel Marquez. I also have to acknowledge two other great warriors.

Erik Morales: WON 52 (KO 36) , LOST 8 (KO 2)
 Among the very best ring technicians ever. This can be explained as he was among the first to dismantle the physically freakish but one handed, terrible footwork and a terrible boxer... Manny Pacquiao. After Manny learned footwork, and became two handed (using the right hand; quick right hook) with some excellent training by Roach, the rematch was to much for Morales to handle, and a final trilogy (as Manny was peaking) was Morales acknowledged no reason after the second round it was becoming futile to continue as the fight was over in the third round. Commentary after Morales explained Manny had become a new fighter and so strong and fast that he had no chance. Those are some big words from a legendary fighter to explain to the majority how dominating Manny was under the 130lbs mark!
Erik's greatest adversary was Barrera.

Marco Antonio Barrera: WON 67 (KO 44) , LOST 7 (KO 1)
 A fighter who started as a pure slugger, a fans dream fighter as he would level opponents with a barrage of punches. Late in his career, he had become one of the top ring technicians active at the time. A strange reversal, but when you face Morales on a continuous basis, you better know how to fight well. After the first fight Morales won a SD on a controversial judgement,but a classic and maybe a top ten all-time. The rematch I felt was won by Morales, but Barrera got the decision thus forcing a trilogy. Another close bout Marco won by MD.

Both these legendary fighters suffered a total of 3 losses by KO. What is not surprising is they were all by one man... Manny Pacquiao. Otherwise, neither man would have suffered defeat by a knock-out.

Juan Manual Marquez:WON 54 (KO 39) , LOST 6 (KO 0) , DRAW 1
The beast Pacquiao who dismantled Barrera and Morales also had a trilogy against Pacquiao, but much different.
In their initial bout, Marquez was down 3 times in the first round, after that he went on to make that fight a draw. In a classic rematch, Pacquiao got the SD, but stated he never wanted to fight Marquez again. In a catch-weight bout many people thought was way to heavy in Manny's advantage and thought a KO was most likely couldn't be more wrong. Although Marquez went on round after round getting the better of Manny, the man who produces the big money won a decision... Manny Pacquiao, and only in the hopes that the public might get a Manny vs Floyd bout that would be taken off the table if Manny lost.
IMO, Marquez has a very rare ability to space him and his opponent within a round or so that will allow him maximum punch output, allowing him to get that snap at the end of a punch when hitting his opponent. His greatest asset is his tenacity and determination. I've seen footage of almost every fighter, and Marquez has a focus unparalleled. The much bigger, stronger, faster and technically better Mayweather (considered #1 for a long time) fought Marquez at a catch-weight of 142lbs. Marquez was fighting at featherweight (126lbs) just a few fights prior. For a thirty-six year old fighter that had been in many wars that takes years of fighters careers and lives, made the weight and although he was knocked down early and dominated, at no time after did Mayweather attempt a knockout as he stated it was to risky for a fighter he believed was to tough and his chin wouldn't give.

There have been many great Mexican fighters. I'm thankful that four out of many top ten lists I got to watch during my era and I got to watch each bout live (Chavez, Marquez, Morales and Barrera).

Once again, the list of the very great Mexican boxers is long, if we added very good this thread would never end! GL to all!

ZOUK
Boxing > Martinez vs Chavez > View Post
I don't think the odds are going to change much, but more likely to make Sergio a bigger favorite. The night of the fight, many fight fans at the fight will bet Chavez as people are betting the name and nationality more than the man.
I keep reading forum posts (blogs,etc) and others talking about Martinez and people referred to him as Mexican, Puerto Rican and Latino born State-Side. I think so many people are use to Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters (Cuban {they have been better Amateur and Olympics the past 20 years} and Dominican) that they forget about South America. Any boxing fan of past fighters would help the Martinez nationality issue go away...
CARLOS MONZON... The Argentine Shotgun (or we refer him as Argentinian or Argentinean)! Here is a man with 100 professional bouts over a 14 year career, and his stats below:
87 WINS (KO 59)
3 LOST (KO 0)
9 DRAWS
1 NO CONTEST
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