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QUOTE Originally Posted by Turbovtk:

I have discussed some would say argue- with the Rim issue before, it is a very good point, also you would think that a team that dunks more would have to some how affect its home court baskets as. Some people are just wild at dunking like Asik yesterday I don't know how the basket frame (arm that brings the basket from outside to the court) The one thing they can't do unless they always plan to have only an advantage in one half is rigging one rim. One thing I also wonder is places where the courts are not only for them, like LA MSG Orlando etc.

I don't know about other arenas but in LA, the Clips and the Lakers have their own hardwood court.  They don't share it.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by Turbovtk:

I was not kidding by a long stretch. As you know also I was not referring to sports in general, was referring to the NBA- If you are saying that the Refs do home cooking that should be categorized as a Ref issue, sort of like when the refs are (over refs, under refs, maybe there are refs that are pro home team, pro away team) this weekend I saw alot of youtube videos on how their was a time when refs just ganged up on Iverson.

As you also may have read I was referring to the home court specifics and Cliff pointed out to me how the altitude helps the Nuggets run the competition out of the building (although the last game that played in very little but most of the season proved to be true by their minimal 3 loses at home. In other sports as also stated there are advantages, turf to grass, short left fields like the Yanks have (only applies if the opponent has people that wouldn't also hit that way and if the other team pitches for the Yanks to hit that way etc. There are Domes where in the NFL plays a big rol for teams like the Lions, Cowboys, Falcons and Saints who like to throw the ball, but that can also play against you when teams like Packers, Patriots among others come to your home because that is also what they do.

The reason I ask is because I see the lines being set up in the playoffs more than in the regular season to give the edge to the home team, whether by a lower line to the visiting fav or by automatically making the home team a fav. I won't get into the whole ref and business of the NBA as you pointed because while that may be true in the regular season, I don't think it applies to the playoff because the goal is to win a championship and am sure Lebron, Durant, Parker, CP3 can care less if they play at my old HS or at home. During the regular season I can see the effort lacking, but at this stage I think talent and effort should (does not mean it would) be on over drive, does this translate to winning not all the time but you have to do your best if you want to the ring.

I had a similar theory when it came to owners etc. Have not researched it much but if that were true it would also mean that most series should be forced into 7 games, more games, more tickets, more concession sales more money, the Heat series should go 7 so that more money goes to the Heat by going back home. While this would prove to be beneficial to most parties involved it can back fire and it really implies unethical doing by the owners and refs (trust me I have been on both sides of refs that have got to be placing third party bets somewhere) good example the Heat Bulls game that ended the streak. If what you want is drama and entertainment and revenue the idea was to keep the streak going not to make a cartoon out of this game. I have never seen a backourt 8 sec violation be over turned, that is like overturning a foul (while they do get the chance to grade them differently they don't take fouls back like they do in the NFL when sometimes they will pick up the flag) at least I have not seen it.

So as my questions stated besides the CROWD  go team go. As well as the recently discussed Denver altitude advantage, what else should we be looking for if we don't buy into the money side of the business? Some may say it is a business and that is all that matters... in other to what you say to happen everyone has to be in on it including the players, if that is the case then we are in more trouble than I thought, always weary of the refs but if all you bring into the post is true it would mean that the best team is not the one that is going to win it all.

You could also look at the tactile strength of the rim.  In some arenas, rims are loose and in others, they're tight.  Also, when you're at home, you're familiar with the court you play on.  Just as in baseball, fielders get a cleaner and better jump on balls hit to them, in basketball, there are subtle differences in the hardwood an experienced basketball  team could take advantage of.  While it may be safe to assume that all the hardwood in the NBA is uniform, all it takes is a possession or two to swing a game in home court's favor and hence, the series.  More than anything else though, as you've mentioned, I think crowd advantage plays the biggest factor.  Its damn near impossible to put a value on it because every situation varies but there aren't many athletes in general with skin thick enough to block out the noise and do their job.  

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QUOTE Originally Posted by Turbovtk:

I was not kidding by a long stretch. As you know also I was not referring to sports in general, was referring to the NBA- If you are saying that the Refs do home cooking that should be categorized as a Ref issue, sort of like when the refs are (over refs, under refs, maybe there are refs that are pro home team, pro away team) this weekend I saw alot of youtube videos on how their was a time when refs just ganged up on Iverson.

As you also may have read I was referring to the home court specifics and Cliff pointed out to me how the altitude helps the Nuggets run the competition out of the building (although the last game that played in very little but most of the season proved to be true by their minimal 3 loses at home. In other sports as also stated there are advantages, turf to grass, short left fields like the Yanks have (only applies if the opponent has people that wouldn't also hit that way and if the other team pitches for the Yanks to hit that way etc. There are Domes where in the NFL plays a big rol for teams like the Lions, Cowboys, Falcons and Saints who like to throw the ball, but that can also play against you when teams like Packers, Patriots among others come to your home because that is also what they do.

The reason I ask is because I see the lines being set up in the playoffs more than in the regular season to give the edge to the home team, whether by a lower line to the visiting fav or by automatically making the home team a fav. I won't get into the whole ref and business of the NBA as you pointed because while that may be true in the regular season, I don't think it applies to the playoff because the goal is to win a championship and am sure Lebron, Durant, Parker, CP3 can care less if they play at my old HS or at home. During the regular season I can see the effort lacking, but at this stage I think talent and effort should (does not mean it would) be on over drive, does this translate to winning not all the time but you have to do your best if you want to the ring.

I had a similar theory when it came to owners etc. Have not researched it much but if that were true it would also mean that most series should be forced into 7 games, more games, more tickets, more concession sales more money, the Heat series should go 7 so that more money goes to the Heat by going back home. While this would prove to be beneficial to most parties involved it can back fire and it really implies unethical doing by the owners and refs (trust me I have been on both sides of refs that have got to be placing third party bets somewhere) good example the Heat Bulls game that ended the streak. If what you want is drama and entertainment and revenue the idea was to keep the streak going not to make a cartoon out of this game. I have never seen a backourt 8 sec violation be over turned, that is like overturning a foul (while they do get the chance to grade them differently they don't take fouls back like they do in the NFL when sometimes they will pick up the flag) at least I have not seen it.

So as my questions stated besides the CROWD  go team go. As well as the recently discussed Denver altitude advantage, what else should we be looking for if we don't buy into the money side of the business? Some may say it is a business and that is all that matters... in other to what you say to happen everyone has to be in on it including the players, if that is the case then we are in more trouble than I thought, always weary of the refs but if all you bring into the post is true it would mean that the best team is not the one that is going to win it all.

You could also look at the tactile strength of the rim.  In some arenas, rims are loose and in others, they're tight.  Also, when you're at home, you're familiar with the court you play on.  Just as in baseball, fielders get a cleaner and better jump on balls hit to them, in basketball, there are subtle differences in the hardwood an experienced basketball  team could take advantage of.  While it may be safe to assume that all the hardwood in the NBA is uniform, all it takes is a possession or two to swing a game in home court's favor and hence, the series.  More than anything else though, as you've mentioned, I think crowd advantage plays the biggest factor.  Its damn near impossible to put a value on it because every situation varies but there aren't many athletes in general with skin thick enough to block out the noise and do their job.  

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NBA Betting > Say Bye-Bye to Kobe in Laker Uniform! > View Post
[Quote: Originally Posted by boostyourego]

No way dummy.


If I can return to playing bball after tearing my achilles in 4 months, Kobe will be back after 3. Plenty of time til next season starts.


 

Your right. I failed to understand that there's a difference between torn and ruptured Achilles. 

Personally speaking as a Laker fan though, if its ruptured, I'll be okay with it. I'll be okay if it's just torn too. Either way, I'm alright with it. 


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NBA Betting > Say Bye-Bye to Kobe in Laker Uniform! > View Post
If Kobe is amnestied, Lakers will do what they do.  They will simply reload.

I know it's unlikely but I think there is a way to pry Love away from MIN. Love wants to come home.  With Kobe off the books, Lakers could form a package to entice Love away. Add one or two effective veterans and then resign D12, Lakers could field a stronger club next year than having Kobe in the mix. 

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NBA Betting > Kobe torn achillies > View Post
I've been a Laker fan all my life. Needless to say, I watch every game. 

If its torn, I think Lakers have no choice but to amnesty him. A team is bigger than the player and the Lakers fans know what I'm talking about. 

If amnestied, I don't know how that affects his legacy. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. 

Lakers need to move Gasol for Love. Love should force a move to LA. Love wants LA so bad he could taste it. 

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NBA Betting > Kobe torn achillies > View Post
That tool compared Lawson to Kobe. I think he's dating Katelyn Faber. 

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NBA Betting > Say Bye-Bye to Kobe in Laker Uniform! > View Post
By the sound of it, it seems as if Kobe's achilles is torn. If that is the case -gulp- Lakers are probably going to amnesty him. 

I kind of glanced it over but I think an injured player could be amnestied. 

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NBA Betting > Melo Pig and Gang NBA TNT Thursday 4/11 > View Post
With so many on the Knicks, I have a creeping suspicion that the Bulls are gonna cover tonight.  

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NBA Betting > Johnson's NBA Thursday 4/11 > View Post

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NBA Betting > Johnson's NBA Thursday 4/11 > View Post
Dang u dropped $5550 yesterday!

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NBA Betting > Johnson's NBA Sunday 4/7 > View Post
QUOTE Originally Posted by CMJohnson1:
Knicks vs. Thunder UNDER 196 (1.1 to win 1)


Early Sunday UNDER.  70% or so on the OVER...line has recently dropped to 195.5 at a lot of books.  I know it looks enticing, but I'm trusting the biggest betting trend that I have followed and that has continuously worked out for me.  Should be a great game for sure as the Thunder just blew out the Pacers in Indy the other night, and as I said on my write-up for that game...I think the Thunder are looking at these two games as proving grounds that they are ready for whatever the East brings them.

Prediction:  Thunder 99  Knicks 90


The sharps hit the under hard last night when the lines came out. More casual bettors woke up this morning, saw the RLM, and I'm guessing, is betting the under. Both teams have been locking down lately. With all that said, however, I'm leaning towards the over.  Double RLM might be in play here and Knicks are lacking paint presence. 

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Knicks r gonna win by 60 today!

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QUOTE Originally Posted by greengiants:



I use 4 to 5 sites including this one for public percentage and try and average it out also,I have been starting to take notice of the rlm pts spread also, I have the impression(initial impressions can be wrong, will have to take some notes and monitor to get some tru stats) that the small rlm's like a half point are trying to bait people into following the wrong play, rlm's where injuries are involved seem to be baits also.Just observations as i stated before will have to take notes and monitor for awhile

I'm trying to gain a better understanding on RLM also. Can you list the 4 to 5 sites you use? Thanks. 

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College Basketball > Indiana vs Syracuse > View Post
QUOTE Originally Posted by nieldellacroce:
Bottom line Big East was way over valued this year. They made a real poor appearance in the Dance. 
Don't be an idiot, they still got three teams into Sweet 16. 

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NBA Betting > Johnson's NBA Thursday 3/28 > View Post
QUOTE Originally Posted by CMJohnson1:
For the college plays of the Sweet 16.....


Marquette vs Miami (FL)  OVER 127  (1.1 to win 1)

Injury to Johnson limits the rotations, tired legs, more inside points


Arizona vs. Ohio State UNDER 134  (1.1 to win 1)


The bigs of the Wildcats and their tough rebounding will severely limit Craft and the Buckeyes.  70 points will be hard to get to.

I have to disagree with you on these picks. I see both Marquette and Miami putting up about 55 shots apiece. I expect them to hit about 41%. Throw in FTs and extra pts for threes, I still see this game coming under. 

As for ARI game, I think if Lyons puts up over 20pts, this game goes over.  The way OSU plays, I think they could put up 70 tonight. 

On another note, what site do you use to check betting %?

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NBA Betting > Wow! System now 49-22-1 > View Post
QUOTE Originally Posted by DeepP0ck3ts:
@Slapem

Scott Foster is average 201 points with 42 fouls per game. (one of the hottest Over referees)

Eric Dalen is only 190 points with 39.5 fouls per game. 

Do you guys think large amount of free throws will come in lakers/bucks?

Thoughts??

If the free throws come, it will be Dwight shooting them and he shoots below 50%. I watch all Lakers games and generally, Lakers don't foul too much. They rather you score the basket and not earn it at the line. As for Lakers, they shoot jumpers.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by Turbovtk:

3W - 1 PUSH - 7 PENDING NCAA

I think you just might hit it! The games I would be concerned about are the last two.  Michigan looking good and I think Florida's press is going to wreck havoc on FGC. 

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NBA Betting > Johnson's NBA Wednesday 3/27 > View Post
QUOTE Originally Posted by CMJohnson1:
Last 11 home games for the Blazers have seen 10 OVERS.  Blazers in those last 11 games have averaged 105.1 points per game.  Very impressive for sure.  Last 5 road games for the Nets have also gone OVER the total.  A wide majority of the early betting public is on the UNDER...if the total doesn't move, a play on the OVER would certainly be considered.
Which site or sites do u check out to gauge betting %?

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NBA lines are too efficient by this time of the year.  I think for the next week or two, there is more value to be had from March Madness games.  First, the lines aren't as efficient. Secondly, teams are in it to win it.  They don't worry themselves with playoff seeds and lottery balls and so forth.  Lastly, the games are just more fun period.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by Eryximaque:
Eryximaque 31-29-1

Under 100 1H ORL Magic - MIA Heat

Under 202 NO Hornets - DEN Nuggets

RLM + many trends on under (9-1 last meetings)
Lawson/Chandler expected to back, but i dont think it will change anything. 

Bol everyone ! 

Greivis Vazquez out!

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NBA Betting > Miami - Orlando > View Post
I'm playing the under too. Miami is in a lockdown mode and they want the record.  The King is out to prove that he's GOAT n his teammates seem to stand behind him. 

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QUOTE Originally Posted by Turbovtk:
About a week ago Denver was +1100

Maybe this info. can help someone here.

  ODDS TO WIN WESTERN CONFERENCE


12117 DALLAS MAVERICKS     +9500


12118 DENVER NUGGETS     +575


12119 GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS     +4000


12120 HOUSTON ROCKETS     +2000


12121 LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS     +575


12122 LOS ANGELES LAKERS     +800


12123 MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES     +675


12126 OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER     +180


12128 PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS     +7500


12130 SAN ANTONIO SPURS     +180


12131 UTAH JAZZ     +7500


Denver is the flavor of the day in the West. No doubt about it.  Having said that, I wouldn't lay any dough on them until they win a playoff series.  I'm still not convinced Nugs could take out the Clips or Grizz in the opening round home or away. 

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QUOTE Originally Posted by SportsMavin:
While it was obvious most public would back the Bulls at the beginning and shift slowly towards Minnesota as the result of line changes - interpretation of that line movement could only be one - big money on Minnesota. Vegas juiced it out and has no worries as long as it balances the money. The problem is that if Vegas initiated RLM - that was done in a very sharp fashion. But, more often than not - similar situation means Minnesota covering and from that regard - this was a freak occurance. 
I didn't take the bet on the whole game but if I had to - without a doubt I'd back Minnesota rather then risking it with the Bulls. We can say that sharps were trapped and paid the opposing bill to the one public won on this game. And the public won on this one more than it lost from later wagers while the sharps lost. Period

Maybe Floyd Mayweather was trying to recoup his seven million. 

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QUOTE Originally Posted by SportsMavin:
If you ever been to NBA teams training - and may be you have - you'd be amazed to see how professional those guys are. They can almost score from every position on the court and when uncontested 3s come - they just fly in like you can't believe. I have a hard time believing anything is accidental most of the time - but hey - everyone's entitled to an opinion. 
When I mean hardest to bet on - I mean hardest to pull the trigger on although you know that the whole world is pulling the trigger on opposite play that looks so easy - something is usually wrong in those instances and I'd better go with the hard and less obvious that the other way around

An opinion. Nothing more.  More than anything I found it amusing.  

I know what you mean. I appreciate it too. Maybe one day I'll muster enough fortitude to trust my gut and when I get rewarded, I'll remember this thread. You know I rolled my eyes when I read posts here exclaiming how this thread has been helpful and I've become that pathetic person.  Lol.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by SportsMavin:
Well, we can assume that it was indeed a double trap game on behalf of Vegas. Or something went terribly wrong there. Anyway - the note I'd take from that game is that from a second half when Chicago +5 looked too good to be true line while Minnesota -5 was a long shot and yet was the right play. I learned some time ago that the best wagers are the ones who look hardest

I'm nowhere near to being able to make bets that seem hard to me. In those instances, my heart will not abide my mind. I'll settle for what I hold to be an easier play and sure enough, at the end of the day, I'll be kicking myself in the head.  Habits are hard to break. :). You live you learn. Hopefully...

On the Min -5 2nd half though, you do know that scoring fiend Nate Robinson missed 2 freebies with 17 secs left and the equally fiendish Derrick Williams jacked up a 3 and busted it with 7 secs left without running out the clock. I'm just sayin...

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What's all this nonsense about?  Really, I can't understand it. I don't give a rat's behind about Mavin's handicapping ability. I just appreciate him being the glue that binds this thread together.  Whether or not I tail or fade the picks posted here, ultimately, that's my decision and in no way reflects on those who post their picks here. 

Something about today's Min -3 game bothers me.  Here was a classic example of RLM coming back on your behind. It was almost as if bookmakers' trapped those who recognized a trap game in the first place. 

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NBA Betting > European Perspective NBA Picks Thread > View Post
The question is, will you be picking any games today?

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NBA Betting > Why is the public backing the Pistons? > View Post
I have to agree with stevenp. In fact, I think it's the strongest play tomorrow. 
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