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#1 Posted: 8/18/2008 11:50:24 PM How can you possibly have Logans as a top 10 rated book, let alone TOP 3?
It is quite obvious where players money is going from that site, and it is not to the players who requested a withdrawl. It is lining the pockets of COVERS.COM, at cost of people who are new to online sports wagering, people that come to your site for knowledge.
Shame on you covers, for opting for yourselves to get paid, rather than the users of your site, that come here for knowledge. Instead, they are getting nudged to a D rated sportsbook.
Other than lining your pockets with cash, what has logans done to be considered a top 50 book, let alone crack into anyones TOP 10 list, (unless it is books to avoid).
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#2 Posted: 8/19/2008 12:44:26 AM pennywise is angry  |
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#3 Posted: 8/19/2008 1:00:41 AM |
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#4 Posted: 8/19/2008 1:47:45 AM |
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#5 Posted: 8/19/2008 2:43:24 AM we all float down here |
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#6 Posted: 8/19/2008 8:51:00 AM Can't argue with ya. Lavers may have done weed with one of the owners at St. Mary's......only thing I can think of. |
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#7 Posted: 8/19/2008 9:24:15 AM To be completely fair, I should say that I have finally received one of my withdrawals from Logans. Two are still pending.
However, we all know that there have been serious withdrawal issues. I am optomistic that Logans is legit and I am going to receive my money, but these ratings are obviously BS. HOW DO YOU HAVE SO MANY ISSUES AND ACTUALLY MOVE UP TO THE #3 SPOT FROM #7!
Does COVERS simply think we are idiots? Obviously the ratings only depend on how much money COVERS gets for advertising.
COVERS has no credibility in my mind...and I still haven't gotten my survivor hat from last winter! |
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#8 Posted: 8/19/2008 9:47:58 PM No response from COVERS huh? |
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#9 Posted: 8/19/2008 10:58:09 PM I just saw this.........
For the love of my hockey God.
I give props to Sportsdirect Inc for removing Sportsbook.
But moving Logans up to No. 3
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#10 Posted: 8/20/2008 8:30:04 AM I know these guys had some issues that I believe are cleared up now. There is no reason why these guys won’t end up being a very solid book and should fit in nice at #3. Covers removed you know who from their list when they weren’t performing and I am sure they will do the same if any book doesn’t do what they say they are going to.
The Covers list is still the most respected list in the industry and players should feel safe using any book on this list. Also if a problem does come up Covers will do all they can to resolve the situation.
Lou.
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#11 Posted: 8/20/2008 8:46:49 AM Lou, please post your "criteria" for your list |
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#12 Posted: 8/20/2008 9:00:52 AM
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#13 Posted: 8/20/2008 9:08:29 AM Thanks for that BetToWin.
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#14 Posted: 8/20/2008 9:41:52 AM
I am going to put my long-delayed two cents in here... when is this whining going to stop?
I don't know much about Logans other than the payment problems they had, which seem to be sorted out. That puts Logans in the same company as Sportsbook and Bodog, who all had problems but sorted them out.
All I can say is that the rest of the list looks pretty solid in my opinion - and I don't hear anybody complaining about the rest of the books either. the only question seems to be Logans.
That makes me ask "If Logans really was that shitty why would Covers risk their reputation for this one book? They don't appear to be doing it for the rest of the list, which is all solid."
Two possible answers:
1) Even though they dumped Sportsbook they were willing to give Logans a second chance. Seeing that Logans appears to have made good on paying everybody, that trust was justified, right? There is no real reason to keep harping about it unless it happens again and Logans didn't learn their lesson. Lgans had payment processor problems. It happens to everybody. Get over it.
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2) Logans is paying Covers some really good cash. In which case Covers is just like every other site or business in the world. Do you really think Sports Illustrated wants to have fucking Mitchum deodorant in their magazine? Of course not! But Mitchum is paying big up the money so they get an ad. it's business. Get over it. And the fact that Logans has enough cash to buy themselves higher than the rest of the list tells me that they have enough cash to survive. I don't trust them myself, but I never met the guys either.
You guys need to stop expecting businesses like Covers, or anybody, to put your little complaints ahead of the nuts and bolts of running a goddamn business. This place isn't Consumer Reports. It's a gambling website.
Everybody who signed up at Logans got their money. Go find something else to complain about. Like why doesn't Covers have a fucking Poker room Or searchable stats? Or why can't I bet right off the scoreboard?
As far as I'm concerned, as long as Covers doesn't outright lie about their list or throw some place like HappyGoldenCasino up there, I don't care.
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#15 Posted: 8/20/2008 2:13:46 PM Well this stuff is suspect because logans, just like sportsbook seem to only have withdrawal issues right before football season.........then all of a sudden they are cool until the end of march maddness. Then they are having "processing issues" again. Do your research somewhere that doesn't have anything to gain by saying a book is good when it's not. There are currently 3 d+ rated sportsbooks on covers lists: BetUS.com, Belmont, and Logans. It was 4 but they yanked Sportsbook............at least for now. Sportsbookreview.com seems to be the only place that has accurate information on books so I would use them to pick a good book before anyone else. |
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#16 Posted: 8/20/2008 3:48:51 PM
KZZ do you even know or understand the SBR revenue model? By what you just stated it is clear that you don't.
The best thing is the more you guys complain about Logan's the more people sign up; maybe the old saying any publicity is good good publicity holds true.
If Logan's was not here you would pile onto to another advertiser; it is the old mob mentality & I see it here ever year around this time.
What I found interesting in chatting to Lou was he sent over 20 emails to posters who said they were having issues with either SB or Logan's. Only two responded back to him & those were resolved.
Anyways guys we built Covers spaces & forums for everyone to share their opinion & I am grateful that you all do.
The key to life is perspective & we certainly have that here on Covers; which makes our site the best gaming resource on the net.
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#17 Posted: 8/20/2008 5:15:36 PM  Not exactly sure what yu're even responding to me for. I'm not the one saying a payout is gonna take 3-5 weeks...............and that was 2 months after yu made the request in the first place. I don't have a account at logans, or any other book that people on here are complaining about. And while the processing problem is legit with the US law making it hard for books to get yu're money to yu, books that weren't rated bad before the law was passed aren't having this problem or at the very least they aren't coming on covers and writing about. All I'm saying is it is fishy when the SAME books constantly have the same problems and the SAME time of the year. Besides all the people who play with these books can do is complain when the few times they actually win money they can't get it in a timely fashion. |
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#18 Posted: 8/20/2008 7:22:11 PM Billy O--Nice to see ya.
1) I have not received anything from sportsbook and I emailed and spoke to Lou.
2) Lavers said to call him out (see June post) if anyone on the list hasn't paid. Sportsbook hasn't paid me since June 22 request for 2 g's (and no you are not allowed to say that they are no longer on the list).
3) When I filled out the SBR complaint form I received an email from a guy named Josh from there and subsequent email from sportsbook that they "are working on it".
4) Your list has little to no player input that is why the SBR list is much better.
5) I don't wanna say that your replies have a "oh they are doing that again in the forums Lou ?", but they do. Lou has my cell number, ask him for it and give me a call.
6) If you believe that there is a mob mentality then why wouldn't someone somewhere say a good thing about sportsbook or Logans. If they delivered the goods wouldn't players be bragging to each other to go there? As I stated in a previous post, if they and BoDog got taken for that 24 mill and still deliver the goods I will be the first one with a capitalized post to let everyone know we should go back there. The basically are double paying if that is the case and that is the utmost respect of credibility.
7) The jive in the forums among "people who gamble" rarely matches what your list states so I guess all of us"there they go agains" have no clue about what we are doing and should just pile cash into ESF, er I mean Logans. Your regard for the player posts should be better than it is. There may be a "few" people who know what they are talking about
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#19 Posted: 8/20/2008 7:58:06 PM Lou, Billy
You are moving Logans up the list on what they claim or what you think they will do. Last time I checked which is today, you earn you way on the list it's not given.
But we all know why they are on the list in the first place. Although some things are best said on the phone and not in a public forum.
Also Billy save the mob bullshit. If it smells then it's called out, Logans smelled, still smells and will smell till they show a positive track record.
Also, the Covers list gained huge respect when (Yes I will say it...Sportsbook was taken off) But that respect is lost when you move up Logans when they have showed nothing yet.
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#20 Posted: 8/20/2008 11:06:59 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Lippsman:
Also, the Covers list gained huge respect when (Yes I will say it...Sportsbook was taken off) But that respect is lost when you move up Logans when they have showed nothing yet.
Showed nothing yet to who? Lippsman?
What credentials do you have to make me feel more comfortable with a Top 10 list from Lippsman over a Top 10 list from Covers.com? I'm serious - I might have missed it in another thread.
Have you interviewed hundreds or thousands of people that have made deposits at these various books to come up with a fair assessment for each? or do you rely solely on the negative (and limited) feedback within this Gaming Forum?
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#21 Posted: 8/20/2008 11:23:37 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by snicker:
Showed nothing yet to who? Lippsman?
What credentials do you have to make me feel more comfortable with a Top 10 list from Lippsman over a Top 10 list from Covers.com? I'm serious - I might have missed it in another thread.
Have you interviewed hundreds or thousands of people that have made deposits at these various books to come up with a fair assessment for each? or do you rely solely on the negative (and limited) feedback within this Gaming Forum?
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I rely on feedback I see on many fourms, not just Covers. I rely on my actually putting money in books. I rely on people that I know.
Which BTW Logans just advertises on Covers and Wagerline.
If you want to give Logans a shot, more power to you.
You want a list......I will give you a top 5 list and we will see who agrees with and who doesn't
1. Pinny
2. 5dimes
3 Betjam
4. Greek
5. Matchbook.
I compare my top 5 list to anyones. Oh and I am not paid by any book, so there is no conflict of interest.
So you tell me, what has Logans showed to you?
I hope they turn things around and become an A+ book. But they have a huge mountain to climb to get the respect.
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#22 Posted: 8/21/2008 12:07:28 PM I agree with Lippsman here...Logans is not even 1 year old and they are #3 on the list?They are over books that have gained a solid reputation like Betjamaica and 5 Dimes..not to mention that Bookmaker or the Greek arent even listed.Who knows maybee after some years of on time payouts and customer service they can make this list in a legit way.Until then it's the $$$ that does the talking. |
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#23 Posted: 8/21/2008 3:47:10 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by snicker:
Showed nothing yet to who? Lippsman?
What credentials do you have to make me feel more comfortable with a Top 10 list from Lippsman over a Top 10 list from Covers.com? I'm serious - I might have missed it in another thread.
Have you interviewed hundreds or thousands of people that have made deposits at these various books to come up with a fair assessment for each? or do you rely solely on the negative (and limited) feedback within this Gaming Forum?
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every single forum that i go too, there are about 5 that I look around, the gaming industry forum is heading by the topic of "Logans and Sportsbook dont pay"
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#24 Posted: 8/21/2008 6:07:31 PM Hey Lipps...I'm surprised Snicker didnt call you "Skippy" |
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#25 Posted: 8/21/2008 6:17:26 PM i am still waiting a payout from Logan's, they say it has been sent, and I believe them, we will see. Lou did email me a couple of times, and seemed concerned, and did some checking into this matter for me, thanks for that Lou
BillO says that "The best thing is the more you guys complain about Logan's the more people sign up". I don't really understand why he would think that Yes they're getting their name out, but there is also an 'old saying' that when you receive good service you tell a couple of people, but when you get bad service you tell ten people. Word of mouth is there, but I think they would rather have people saying what a great book with fast payouts, rather than stay away from this book, they don't pay.
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