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Posted: 1/31/2012 6:07:19 PM
My uncle used to be a bookie before he retired a moved away, so I used to be one of his runner.  I helped him collect and payout.  So I know how to spot a stiff from far away.

How do you know if a person is a stiff player? 
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Posted: 1/31/2012 6:49:04 PM

Guys that stiff bookies for money are normally compulsive liars. I think the best way to get a feel for this is to just have conversations with them. Try to get them talking about something in the past and see how much they stretch a story. If something doesn't sound right or add up they will stiff you at some point 99 percent of the time.

Ultimately as a bookie it is just like any other business, you have to accept some level of risk. If 1 out of 10 guys stiff you, remember the other 9 are still good customers and in the long run you will beat them out of money. People focus too much energy on this in my opinion. If you treat your players well, and are upfront, most will pay you in the long run. Just my personal two cents.

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Posted: 1/31/2012 8:52:32 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mikeslg:

Guys that stiff bookies for money are normally compulsive liars. I think the best way to get a feel for this is to just have conversations with them. Try to get them talking about something in the past and see how much they stretch a story. If something doesn't sound right or add up they will stiff you at some point 99 percent of the time.

Ultimately as a bookie it is just like any other business, you have to accept some level of risk. If 1 out of 10 guys stiff you, remember the other 9 are still good customers and in the long run you will beat them out of money. People focus too much energy on this in my opinion. If you treat your players well, and are upfront, most will pay you in the long run. Just my personal two cents.


Good point.  But here's one of the easiest ways to tell if a new potential customer is a stiff.  If they give you their home and work address, all contact informations, then most likely that person is not a stiff. 

Let's say at some point later on if they do happen to stiff because they were betting over their heads, you send people to their home or work to make them pay up.  Worst case scenario is they call the cops and snitch.  As we all know what happens to people that snitch.  Snitches ought to get shot!

But yea, it's most likely a person won't stiff if they let you know where they live and work at.  If they don't want to let you know, then obviously they're stiffs.

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Posted: 1/31/2012 10:09:32 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by RickT33:


Good point.  But here's one of the easiest ways to tell if a new potential customer is a stiff.  If they give you their home and work address, all contact informations, then most likely that person is not a stiff. 

Let's say at some point later on if they do happen to stiff because they were betting over their heads, you send people to their home or work to make them pay up.  Worst case scenario is they call the cops and snitch.  As we all know what happens to people that snitch.  Snitches ought to get shot!

But yea, it's most likely a person won't stiff if they let you know where they live and work at.  If they don't want to let you know, then obviously they're stiffs.

All the information in the world isn't going to help when someone just can't pay you. From time to time players just run in to something that prevents them from paying. A serious family medical situation, losing their job, spouse losing their job etc.. Kicking someone's behind, going to their house etc.. isn't going to help that. In todays economy if you book bets for the same people long enough there is a strong chance they might lose their job or have some other emergency at some point.

I'd rather be civil about it and work with them. All works out better in the long run and you stay out of jail. Cops don't give a garbage about bookies. Cops give a garbage about bookies who threaten people who don't pay them.

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Posted: 1/31/2012 10:44:35 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mikeslg:

All the information in the world isn't going to help when someone just can't pay you. From time to time players just run in to something that prevents them from paying. A serious family medical situation, losing their job, spouse losing their job etc.. Kicking someone's behind, going to their house etc.. isn't going to help that. In todays economy if you book bets for the same people long enough there is a strong chance they might lose their job or have some other emergency at some point.

I'd rather be civil about it and work with them. All works out better in the long run and you stay out of jail. Cops don't give a garbage about bookies. Cops give a garbage about bookies who threaten people who don't pay them.



good point too.  let's say if something unfortunate happens and a player can't pay up, maybe lost his job or medical emergency, etc.  It's best to just shut down his account and don't let them bet anymore until the debt is paid in full.  That's the best scenario.
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Posted: 2/3/2012 6:45:44 PM
Look for the guy with the pronounced limp...
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Posted: 2/17/2012 1:44:51 AM
anyone who gives credit to out of state players who they havnt met.... both stiffs. equals perfect match. they can butt darn each other.
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