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Posted: 6/21/2008 10:02:56 AM
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After watching this whole video... how can your blood not boil?  Obama is one of the most unpatriotic candidates ever to run for the presidency of the United States of America.  The combination of him not putting his hand over his heart (which is very disrespectful in my opinion), not wearing American Flags ever, and having a minister which he supports he screams "God Damn America" really pisses me off.  Obama is a loser
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Posted: 6/21/2008 11:11:48 AM
There is nothing wrong with not wearing a flag pin or not putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem.

I NEVER put my hand over my heart but instead stand as Obama does with my hands either behind my back or in front of me... That is just as Patriotic as putting your hand over your heart.

Also the flag pin WAS originally not worn by Obama because he was showing that he did not agree with the Iraq war and it was taking a stand against the war. He started wearing it when ignorant people such as yourself started questioning his Patriotism. I think he has since stopped wearing it again.

The fact is if he was not Patriotic and not proud to be an American he would NOT BE working in the government or running for President. He has enough desire and heart to want to try to make this country better (in his opinion and his ways of going about it) and that right there is a REAL sign of having Patriotism.

Keep watching your Fox News as they bash and slander Obama and anything they deem Non-American. McCain does not have a clean slate either with people he is associated with (George Bush and others) but you do not see Fox News running coverage on anyone associated with McCain because he is your typical white, older American and doesn't have a Muslim name (which should make no difference because at one point in time a President was voted for that did not fit the "mold" of what the President should be.

Abe Lincoln was not a religious person and never belonged to any religious church even though his parents were Baptist and attended a few services.

Thomas Jefferson has Cherokee Indian blood in his ancestry. Van Buren spoke English as a 2nd language and Dutch as his 1st language. Andrew Johnson never attended any type of schooling.

There are probably other instances where Presidents has suspect issues associated with them. Throughout history there have been presidents that have been elected with backgrounds that were not the norm. Also just because you know someone does not mean you share the same views as that person. Do you share all the same views as your friends??
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Posted: 6/21/2008 11:27:54 AM
JPero... you claimed that he started wearing it again because of "ignorant people like me"   At one of Obama's last speeches he wouldn't let Muslim women stand behind the camera.  (Pretty ignorant and racist of him if you ask me)  His wife VERY CLEARLY STATED "THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN PROUD OF MY COUNTRY IN MY ADULT LIFE"  Not that I really care about religion at all but Obama claims to be a Christian but agrees with abortion and happy marriage two things which strongly go against the bible. 

I don't care that Obama is technically "Muslim" if that is what you are referring to here.  He has converted to Christianity (In my opinion because he had plans of running for president and didn't want the stigma of Muslim attached to him)  I don't share the same views as all of my friends although I do with a great majority of them.  That is the great thing about America... everyone gets a vote. 

I am not here to tell people who to vote for, just some issues that I have with Obama.  Aside from this video (which is obviously propaganda) I don't agree with a lot of Obama's policies.  That is a whole different discussion though...
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Posted: 6/21/2008 12:03:14 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by woopdurritis:

JPero... you claimed that he started wearing it again because of "ignorant people like me"   At one of Obama's last speeches he wouldn't let Muslim women stand behind the camera.  (Pretty ignorant and racist of him if you ask me)  His wife VERY CLEARLY STATED "THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN PROUD OF MY COUNTRY IN MY ADULT LIFE"  Not that I really care about religion at all but Obama claims to be a Christian but agrees with abortion and happy marriage two things which strongly go against the bible. 


And if he let a Muslim sit behind him Fox News would have ran with it and you would be bashing him for that same exact notion. You are ridiculous. Get a clue instead of bashing people and not knowing anything about them. Could you imagine the type of garbage Fox News would have ran if there was a Muslim dressed in their typical Muslim apparel behind Obama as one of his speaches??? Because of people such as yourself and Fox News.. Obama's team acted proactive to try to avoid any type of negative press for having a Muslim sitting behind him at a speech. Instead he gets bashed for moving that person. It was a no win situation.

I also have NEVER been proud of this country in my ADULT life. Adult life is pretty short for me and Obama's wife. What has really happened over the past 10 years to make someone say I am really proud of America??  Do you want to nitpick everything McCain says???? A real war hero get a clue. He got captured and was a prisoner of war. I did not know being captured made you a hero. Its very unfortunate that he was held captive but that doesn't make you a hero. Are all the people who were captured and put in Guantanamo Bay without due process or anything that is written in teh constitution... If some of those people are proven innocent does that make them heroes??

There are also different forms of Christianity and different interpretations of the Bible. And if a President were to believe 100% in the Bible then they are a little loco IMO. The Bible also says woman was created from the rib of the man. EVOLUTION IS A MYTH ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. Sometimes common sense takes precedent over teachings of the Bible. There comes a point when someone can still practice Christianity and what it says in the Bible and still be able to make practical decisions even though they might not coincide with the teachings in the Bible.

Also can you provide me with the exact except from the Bible where is says anything about happy marriage?? I know the Bible denounces homosexuality as a sin and says that God would not create a guy and it is the choice of hte person. I do not think it is a choice but rather a person is born and already guy (they have no choice and that is the way they are). The Bible also says that homosexuality is a sin that is always forgiven just as any other sin. So even though the Bible denounces homosexuality it also forgives and accepts the guy tendencies.  This is a whole new generation and the Bible was written hundreds of years ago. Times change and the Bible has not.

I agree that every American has a vote to voice their opinion but most Americans have no idea who and what Obama's real background is. Instead media outlets such as Fox News run pieces that have very little substance but use the words Muslim and other things to slander Obama and any American who already has strong values against anything Muslim or not white is going to run with those categorizations without even researching his real background.
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Posted: 6/21/2008 4:23:24 PM
And if he let a Muslim sit behind him Fox News would have ran with it and you would be bashing him for that same exact notion.
 
it's all "gotcha politics" with little or NO discussion on the issues.
 
you want to attack Obama there is plenty to go after such as not drilling in Anwar and (esp) offshore or letting the US of A be overrun with illegal aliens.
 
problem for McCain is there is even MORE issues to attack him on starting with his views on an extended occupation of Iraq (with no way to pay for it), his opposition to the new GI bill and all the flip-flops on taxes along other social and other issues which are too numerous to list in one Covers thread.
 
the bottom line in this election year, and not JUST the Presidential race, goes back to the 1980 "are you better of now than you were 4 years ago" statement by "The Great Ronnie". if your a wall street weasel hedge fund manager, corporate quisling outsourcing executive doing business with the ChiComs or a Blackwater merc, then I guess you want to vote for McCain and the Republicans in the Congress and Senate. if you work for wages or are a small business owner, esp in independent trucker, or a retiree (like I am) seeing your savings lose buying value every day, then you just might want to vote a straight Democratic ticket.
 
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Posted: 6/21/2008 4:57:24 PM
" So even though the Bible denounces homosexuality it also forgives and accepts the guy tendencies.' 
 
 
As long as the those tendencies are not acted upon They have a choice and that choice is to stay celibate.
 
 
You say" I also have NEVER been proud of this country in my ADULT life."
 
..and have you been in this country your whole life?
 
 
 
 "This is a whole new generation and the Bible was written hundreds of years ago. Times change and the Bible has not."

Jpero, everything that's happened today has happened in the past in some form or other "Sodom and Gammora".

People can change, but man cannot change the belief, that the Bible is the word of God.........

 


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Posted: 6/21/2008 5:16:49 PM
 
 
"The Bible also says woman was created from the rib of the man. EVOLUTION IS A MYTH ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. Sometimes common sense takes precedent over teachings of the Bible."
 
Knowlege tell us women have 23 ribs and man 24 ribs..the rib may symbolize the chromosome a key to the evolution of man...
 
 
Could you quote me Jpero where the Bible claims evolution is a myth?
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Posted: 6/21/2008 5:18:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

" So even though the Bible denounces homosexuality it also forgives and accepts the guy tendencies.' 
 
 
As long as the those tendencies are not acted upon They have a choice and that choice is to stay celibate.
 
 
You say" I also have NEVER been proud of this country in my ADULT life."
 
..and have you been in this country your whole life?
 
 
 
 "This is a whole new generation and the Bible was written hundreds of years ago. Times change and the Bible has not."

Jpero, everything that's happened today has happened in the past in some form or other "Sodom and Gammora".

People can change, but man cannot change the belief, that the Bible is the word of God.........

 




It is not the word of God because he did not write it. It is actually friends of God and their interpretation/what they remember. The Bible is a collection of stories.... Think about it. These people "saw" or "talked" to God and then went back and wrote about it. They did not have a pen and paper like a home stenographer.

I am Roman Catholic and believe in different ways of practicing rather than the convential go to Church, pray, etc. I do not believe I am any less religious than others who choose to practice by going to Church and praying daily, etc.

I have lived in this country my whole life. Its a great country with great opportunities but in my adult life ( I am 24)... I see nothing that makes me proud of this country in my 6 years of being considered an adult. That does not make me unpatriotic or unAmerican.
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Posted: 6/21/2008 5:40:45 PM
As long as the those tendencies are not acted upon They have a choice and that choice is to stay celibate.


so (assuming you are heterosexual) if someone told you that if you are going to have sexual contact with someone, it has to be with another guy, you'd be ok with that because it's written in a book somewhere and a whole lot of religious wackos want to tell you that's the way it's supposed to be for you?
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Posted: 6/21/2008 5:40:48 PM
So you felt no sense of pride when volunteer fireman and paramedics went into the burning world trade center fully well knowing that they may never come out alive.  Risking their own lives to save fellow citizens they don't even know.  If that doesn't create a sense of pride, than you have some issues. 
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Posted: 6/21/2008 6:17:36 PM
For any to use the Bible to condone rather than condemn guy activity (JPero)...  in the theological arena just proves such a one has absolutely no idea what the Bible actually teaches. For anyone to suggest the Bible says guy activity is acceptable to God, is nothing short of willful blindness.


Bible Quotes are as follows...
Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

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Posted: 6/21/2008 6:24:20 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

 
 
"The Bible also says woman was created from the rib of the man. EVOLUTION IS A MYTH ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. Sometimes common sense takes precedent over teachings of the Bible."
 
Knowlege tell us women have 23 ribs and man 24 ribs..the rib may symbolize the chromosome a key to the evolution of man...
 
 
Could you quote me Jpero where the Bible claims evolution is a myth?


Find me a preacher who claims that human evolved from apes.

The Bible says God created humans and everything in the world. Therefore evolution is a myth if you practice and believe everything in the bible.

Woop - I said the Bible denounced homosexuality but it also says that it is a sin that will always be forgiven by God. If you don't believe me you can read the whole Bible and find out for yourself. Point being that even if you are a guy and go against the Bible it says directly in the Book of Christ that you will be forgiven.
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Posted: 6/21/2008 6:26:23 PM
Also for those that say homosexuality is a choice... Is being mentally handicapped a choice because God would never create a person who was not perfect... Point being you are born who you are and you don't chose to be a guy just like you don't choose you are going to be right handed or left handed.
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Posted: 6/22/2008 9:03:06 AM
i think all of the other stuff is irrelevant.

if any of you guys took 5-10 minutes to understand what liberation theology and especially black liberation theology is you will learn what change is

che, marx, obama


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Posted: 6/22/2008 10:28:32 AM
Might as well elect Al Sharpton president if we are following Black Liberation Theology
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  Jpero if you are a true Roman Catholic, then you should know that a condition of forgiveness is " you are Forgiven ,now go and sin no more".      Forgiveness yes ,but condoning the continued practice no!
 
 
"if you are a guy and go against the Bible it says directly in the Book of Christ that you will be forgiven."
 
 

as far as "The Bible says God created humans and everything in the world."      Go back as far as you can in the theory of evolution and whatever living mico-organism you come up with as the starter for this theory ,and that living organism is the everything else he created in the world..........
 
 
 
" I see nothing that makes me proud of this country in my 6 years of being considered an adult."..........that is because you have not been without her,spend 3/4 years in a tiger cage in some jungle and you would find some love...........             I hear!
 
 
    I have to agree with KOAG and Woopdurritis you maybe a candidate for the liberation theology they are referring to .....if you  want to find the truth before you believe you will never find it.....you have to live according to the teachings then you will know the truth, and that truth will set you free......
 
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Posted: 6/22/2008 1:02:23 PM
I have lived in this country my whole life. Its a great country with great opportunities but in my adult life ( I am 24)... I see nothing that makes me proud of this country in my 6 years of being considered an adult. That does not make me unpatriotic or unAmerican.
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jpero - you should look a little bit harder

perhaps things that you take for granted everyday like freedom, and all the opportunity in the world would make you proud

if not, then im sorry...you're missing out

i like that they gave michelle a makeover...obama is a trained politician, been trained to speak...michelle is not and speaks her mind. her mind and barack's mind are very similar IMO. same church, same friends...and so on and so forth
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Posted: 6/22/2008 1:27:14 PM
That's not the Michelle I knew....
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QUOTE Originally Posted by KOAJ:

I have lived in this country my whole life. Its a great country with great opportunities but in my adult life ( I am 24)... I see nothing that makes me proud of this country in my 6 years of being considered an adult. That does not make me unpatriotic or unAmerican.

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jpero - you should look a little bit harder

perhaps things that you take for granted everyday like freedom, and all the opportunity in the world would make you proud

if not, then im sorry...you're missing out

i like that they gave michelle a makeover...obama is a trained politician, been trained to speak...michelle is not and speaks her mind. her mind and barack's mind are very similar IMO. same church, same friends...and so on and so forth


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Posted: 6/22/2008 2:37:59 PM
just makes me laugh how he now wears his flag pin again seeing his reasons for not wearing one were not working to achieve more votes..
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Posted: 6/22/2008 2:46:58 PM
  Jpero when you heard about America's NASA space endeavors don't you have pride in America ?
 
Your 6 adult years include many events in space by America and not just for people who are American.....
 
 
Starting with 02/19/02 - NASA's Mars Odyssey space probe begins to map the surface of Mars using its thermal emission imaging system.
 
 
NASA's motto is: "For the benefit of all"
 
The motto of NASA's Office of Education is: Shaping the Future: Launching New Endeavors to Inspire the Next Generation of Explorers............All explorers!!
 
 
If you really think about it Jpero there is a lot about America to be Proud of and Love.........
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Don't dwell on all the negativity in America Jpero ,or you will end-up being a life long democrat.............
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Posted: 6/23/2008 9:51:15 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    
his opposition to the new GI bill 


You sound just like Keith Olbermann...only telling half truths.  If you told the entire story, you would have included that McCain was in favor of a different GI Bill Plan that offered 100% payment for anyone who served in a combat zone and paid all other servicemember who served over three years on a scale in relation to the time they spent in the service.  His plan would give more incentive for service members to stay in longer as well as giving more reward for those who served in combat whether they stayed in or not.  But like most other issues, why bother with the facts when they don't support the liberal propaganda you embrace?

[Quote: Originally Posted by LeRinkRat] if you work for wages or are a small business owner, esp in independent trucker, or a retiree (like I am) seeing your savings lose buying value every day, then you just might want to vote a straight Democratic ticket.
 

Spoken like a true liberal!  Yes, let's pay more of our hard earned cash to the government in the form of taxes and let them decide how to use it.  For those who aren't smart enough to manage their own fiscal interests and need the government to do it for them, then, yes, they probably should vote a straight Democratic ticket since they probably can't think through the issues clearly anyway.  If, on the other hand, you prefer to decide for yourself where your money would be better spent to support your particular interests and lifestyle, then there are probably better options available to you.


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Posted: 6/23/2008 11:02:22 AM
What's unpatriotic is sending our kids to die on foreign soil for oil and political reasons based on lies and trumped up intelligence.  What's unpatriotic is trampling on the constitution and spying and eavesdropping on our citizens.  What's unpatriotic is outing CIA agents for political purposes.

Hand placement, flag pin wearing and minister don't quite rise to the same level of patriotic importance to me.  I guess I'm weird like that.



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Posted: 6/23/2008 11:07:57 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by KOAJ:

i think all of the other stuff is irrelevant.

if any of you guys took 5-10 minutes to understand what liberation theology and especially black liberation theology is you will learn what change is

che, marx, obama


Comparing Che and Marx to Obama? That's a bit over dramatic. Don't you think?

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