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#26 Posted: 3/10/2013 12:50:57 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
Uh, where did I say that an "R"ever proposed a 10,000 page + piece of legislation that contains taxes on medical devices, and that will insure pizza's have labels?
14's style is to insult you for your view and bunch of rolling heads...
Making up a lie and trying to pin it on you to then try and argue against it is a tactic that seemed to be reserved for "another poster"
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#27 Posted: 3/10/2013 12:59:07 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
So what does Ocare have to do with a shortage of Dr's? You think because all the peeps that didn't have ins before but will under Ocare caused that?
this is a part of health care reform... in that because it is under the government tab perhaps nurse practitioners will take on the primary role and do it for cheaper and cut costs in the process...
and then field may change as the internal medicine/family practice (which doesnt make that much relatively for an MD) will be better off becoming specialized and will take on the referrals of more complicated cases... so MDs wont be going to med school to do essentially what a nurse practitioner can do for less money...
either that or they just wont accept obamacare cause they dont pay enough (I probably wont)...
but this is simple economics and capitalistic process of supply and demand.... obamacare will increase the demand and this be a part of changes in the medical field... shortage might also result in the increased pay which would incentivize the medical field in general and the education associated with it...
and this is completely terrifying for certain groups of people that more americans will be educated in medicine, science, math and logic required to perform these jobs... well, had they possessed the ability to think that far ahead |
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#28 Posted: 3/10/2013 2:03:48 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Benefits still outweigh costs. America is better off with higher insurance rates when millions of uninsured Americans can have access to healthcare.
this is rational thought... 
you are comparing two variable against each other and looking at the net effect...completely unheard of on threads like this...
Let me help you here...
on a threads like this, you have to think in terms of black/white, good/bad...
and the health care reform is completely bad in every possible way because of one article and that obama is behind it...
thats all you need to know and thinking with any more sophistication and reality then this in a rational manner is just completely uncalled for |
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#29 Posted: 3/10/2013 9:42:20 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
Uh, where did I say that an "R"ever proposed a 10,000 page + piece of legislation that contains taxes on medical devices, and that will insure pizza's have labels?
You merely pretended that Republicans say ObamaCare is "socialized medicine" then pretended Republicans proposed "socialized medicine"
Other than that, not at all.
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#30 Posted: 3/10/2013 9:43:44 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by thirdperson: According to U.S. Census Bureau, almost 50 million Americans are uninsured. So 30 million would be significant progress in reducing the number of uninsured.
According to American Journal of Public Health, lack of healthcare insurance causes over 45,000 preventable deaths per year.
I think you should tell the people losing their jobs, losing their health insurance, and losing their incomes, all due to ObamaCare, that we are making "significant progress"
Really, that would be a fun conversation.
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#31 Posted: 3/10/2013 9:58:05 AM
When demand exceeds supply, doctors have a great deal of flexibility
about who they see and when they see them. Not surprisingly, they tend
to see those patients first who pay the highest fees. A New York Times
survey of dermatologists in 2008 for example, found an extensive
two-tiered system. For patients in need of services covered by Medicare,
the typical wait to see a doctor was two or three weeks, and the
appointments were made by answering machine.
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In the meantime, the most vulnerable populations will have less access to care than they had before ObamaCare became law.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443404004577578980699719356.html
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#32 Posted: 3/10/2013 10:03:05 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
So what does Ocare have to do with a shortage of Dr's? You think because all the peeps that didn't have ins before but will under Ocare caused that?
It makes something that was a problem an absolute catastrophe.
For example:
Across the country, fewer than half of primary care clinicians were accepting new Medicaid patients
as of 2008, making it hard for the poor to find care even when they are
eligible for Medicaid. The expansion of Medicaid accounts for more than
one-third of the overall growth in coverage in President Obama’s health
care law.
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#33 Posted: 3/10/2013 10:08:50 AM
Oh and multiple surveys have confirmed more doctors are going to quit working because of ObamaCare.
How’s that for President Obama’s continued assertion that you get to keep your doctor?
 If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period.” - BHO June 15, 2009
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#34 Posted: 3/10/2013 10:11:57 AM
Notice that even though it is a documented fact that fewer people are going to get medical treatment, you keep bandying about the insurance card thing as if it is positive. Note that In August of 2010, The Physicians Foundation conducted a major survey of doctors and found that: 60% of these doctors said that the new law will force them to close or
restrict certain categories of patients: 93% will stop seeing or
restrict the number of Medicaid patients they see, and 87% will close or
restrict their Medicare practice.
Why do you think you keep pretending having a government issued insurance card means you get to see a doctor?
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#35 Posted: 3/10/2013 10:16:55 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by thirdperson: According to U.S. Census Bureau, almost 50 million Americans are uninsured. So 30 million would be significant progress in reducing the number of uninsured.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Once more people are insured under the Affordable Care Act
that emphasizes preventative care, “the wait times that are bad now
will increase tremendously,” said Howard Baron, a former president of
the Clark County Medical Society in Las Vegas. “We are trading
one issue, the lack of coverage, for another,” Baron, who is a pediatric
gastroenterologist, said in an interview. “Everyone should be covered,
but you have to understand what the consequences of this are.”
Link: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-22/doctor-shortage-spreading-in-u-s-presaged-in-las-vegas.html
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#36 Posted: 3/10/2013 11:59:19 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:  It was A-OK for Republicans like you when GWB did NOT A SINGLE THING to avoid the collapse of Health Care in this country. As always, your only solution was to kick the can down the road. the collapse of healthcare in this country? When did healthcare collapse?
I hpoe you read this and learn something
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/03/1500_just_for_showing_up
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