Californians Not Enjoying Their First Taste of Obamacare

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Posted: 3/8/2013 9:30:24 AM

We told you so!

Officials at the California Department of Managed Health Care said increases that average more than 11% for about 47,000 individual and small-business policyholders of Blue Shield and Aetna were unreasonable. But state officials don't have the authority to reject changes in premiums, and increasingly health insurers refuse state demands to lower rates.

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State officials have also objected to some health insurers charging people more this year to recoup fees related to the federal healthcare law that don't take effect until next year.

Link: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-health-insure-rates-20130307,0,1301629.story

A rational response to rising health care costs and to a law that forces insurers take on more expensive patients who are high risk or have pre-existing conditions.

If you think this is bad, wait until next year.

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Posted: 3/8/2013 3:28:58 PM





It was A-OK for Republicans like you when GWB did NOT A SINGLE THING to avoid the collapse of Health Care in this country.

As always, your only solution was to kick the can down the road.
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Posted: 3/8/2013 3:38:32 PM

The Uninsured and Uninsurable will now have some hope.

Instead of waiting for a dispicable citizen like yourself to throw them over the proverbial Spartan Cliff.

Go kick a stray cat you useless human being.
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Posted: 3/8/2013 3:47:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:






It was A-OK for Republicans like you when GWB did NOT A SINGLE THING to avoid the collapse of Health Care in this country.

As always, your only solution was to kick the can down the road.

When exactly did the health care industry in this country collapse? Under GWB the democrats had complete control of Congress for his last two years. What was their health care plan in those 2 years?

You are correct, the Republicans did nothing under GWB in those 6 years to address increasing costs, but at least be honest and admit the Dems did nothing too.

What is worse, passing a horrible law like Obamacare or doing nothing? Not sure I have the answer as both are bad in relation to healthcare cost in this country.

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Posted: 3/8/2013 4:29:42 PM
Republicans didn't do anything because Republicans don't believe it's up to politicians in Washington.
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Originally Posted by canovsp:

Republicans didn't do anything because Republicans don't believe it's up to politicians in Washington.

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It was A-OK for Republicans like you when GWB did NOT A SINGLE THING to avoid the collapse of Health Care in this country.



Uh, the health care system never collapsed.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by Danrules24:

When exactly did the health care industry in this country collapse? Under GWB the democrats had complete control of Congress for his last two years. What was their health care plan in those 2 years?

You are correct, the Republicans did nothing under GWB in those 6 years to address increasing costs, but at least be honest and admit the Dems did nothing too.

What is worse, passing a horrible law like Obamacare or doing nothing? Not sure I have the answer as both are bad in relation to healthcare cost in this country.


tell me your opinion of medicare part-D
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Posted: 3/8/2013 6:17:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 14daroad:

It was A-OK for Republicans like you when GWB did NOT A SINGLE THING to avoid the collapse of Health Care in this country.



Uh, the health care system never collapsed.

Funny how the "R's" hate socialized medicine when a "R" first proposed it.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

Funny how the "R's" hate socialized medicine when a "R" first proposed it.


I was there.

Millard Filmore said the government should pay for healthcare and I threw a rotten egg at him.
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Posted: 3/8/2013 7:23:26 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by canovsp:


I was there.

Millard Filmore said the government should pay for healthcare and I threw a rotten egg at him.

You don't have a clue ,do you?

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Posted: 3/8/2013 7:26:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

It was A-OK for Republicans like you when GWB did NOT A SINGLE THING to avoid the collapse of Health Care in this country.



Uh, the health care system never collapsed.





The system was unsustainable.

That is considered a collapse.

In any universe but yours apparently.
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Posted: 3/8/2013 7:34:07 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

You don't have a clue ,do you?


I don't have a clue but I do have a sense of humor.
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Posted: 3/8/2013 7:47:12 PM

Benefits still outweigh costs.  America is better off with higher insurance rates when millions of uninsured Americans can have access to healthcare.

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Posted: 3/8/2013 11:40:25 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:


tell me your opinion of medicare part-D

That is one complicated program. I like that it helps those that really need a break on their prescriptions, but it should be means tested. Make it a welfare program instead of an entitlement. Why should someone like Romney (or any other rich guy), get a break on prescriptions that they can easily afford. The program should help those in need not those with means.

I think a big Republican mistake was not allowing for the negotiation of lower prices. The prescriptions under part D are probably 40%+ higher than need be.

All in all, the law as written is a big drain on the taxpayer. Could have been a much smaller program targeted to those that need help, not another entitlement program. Thanks "Compassionate Conservatives" (barf).

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Posted: 3/9/2013 12:42:09 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by canovsp:

Republicans didn't do anything because Republicans don't believe it's up to politicians in Washington.

you mean to say GOP politicians in Washington and at the state level never engaged in health care reform and health care mandate?


I do not mind being incorrect... I am not one of those posters that I will argue and insult someone with a different view even when they are incorrect... I dont mind being wrong... just trying to clarify your statement...
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Posted: 3/9/2013 4:17:10 AM

Someone has to pay for all the new health care benefits that the Obama administration passed into law. Not to mention the millions of illegals that will now be covered by the hard working middle class. 

And for the record, I'm not against temporary unemployment and social benefits.


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Posted: 3/9/2013 10:57:13 AM
The system was unsustainable.



But it is totally like sustainable now.

Really.
It is.

PS: the system was not "unsustainable" prior to ObamaCare.
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Posted: 3/9/2013 10:58:41 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

Funny how the "R's" hate socialized medicine when a "R" first proposed it.



Non-responsive.

No "R" ever proposed a 10,000 page + piece of legislation that contains taxes on medical devices, and that will insure pizza's have labels.

But of course when you're trying to defend the indefensible (not at all well, by the way), you can assure yourself of such things as an "R" proposed it.

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Posted: 3/9/2013 11:08:00 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by thirdperson:

Benefits still outweigh costs.  America is better off with higher insurance rates when millions of uninsured Americans can have access to healthcare.



Health insurance does not equal medical care or treatment.
After all, The Association of American Medical Colleges projects a shortage of 60,000 physicians by 2015 and 90,000 physicians by 2020. But I guess if you wave your ObamaCare insurance card around long enough maybe a doctor will appear.

Further, the CBO estimates almost 30 million people will remain uninsured by 2022 with ObamaCare.

The idea that millions of people had no access to "health care" prior to ObamaCare is silly and obscene.

So no, the "benefits" (there are no benefits to ObamaCare only costs) do not outweigh the costs.

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Posted: 3/9/2013 11:17:18 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:





The system was unsustainable.

That is considered a collapse.

In any universe but yours apparently.


By that definition every facet of our government and country has collapsed. Including the current incarnation of our health care system. None of it is sustainable, status quo the past 30-40 years.
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Originally Posted by 14daroad:



Non-responsive.

No "R" ever proposed a 10,000 page + piece of legislation that contains taxes on medical devices, and that will insure pizza's have labels.

But of course when you're trying to defend the indefensible (not at all well, by the way), you can assure yourself of such things as an "R" proposed it.

Uh, where did I say that an "R"ever proposed a 10,000 page + piece of legislation that contains taxes on medical devices, and that will insure pizza's have labels?

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Posted: 3/9/2013 12:33:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 14daroad:



Health insurance does not equal medical care or treatment.
After all, The Association of American Medical Colleges projects a shortage of 60,000 physicians by 2015 and 90,000 physicians by 2020. But I guess if you wave your ObamaCare insurance card around long enough maybe a doctor will appear.

Further, the CBO estimates almost 30 million people will remain uninsured by 2022 with ObamaCare.

The idea that millions of people had no access to "health care" prior to ObamaCare is silly and obscene.

So no, the "benefits" (there are no benefits to ObamaCare only costs) do not outweigh the costs.

So what does Ocare have to do with a shortage of Dr's? You think because all the peeps that didn't have ins before but will under Ocare caused that?

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Posted: 3/9/2013 8:05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 14daroad:

 

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Further, the CBO estimates almost 30 million people will remain uninsured by 2022 with ObamaCare.

The idea that millions of people had no access to "health care" prior to ObamaCare is silly and obscene.



According to U.S. Census Bureau, almost 50 million Americans are uninsured.  So 30 million would be significant progress in reducing the number of uninsured.

According to American Journal of Public Health, lack of healthcare insurance causes over 45,000 preventable deaths per year.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by canovsp:


I don't have a clue but I do have a sense of humor.

yeah I thought your thoughts on transsexual midgets was pretty funny...
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