family of trayvon martin to hold one year rememberance in NYC tonight

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Posted: 2/26/2013 10:01:48 AM

with a moment of silence at 7:17. 

Is there a family who has exploited such a tragedy more than these people?  It seems every other day they are engaging the black racist rait baiters to push their cause and further divide this country.  Let the system play out.  I can't imagine traveling all over the country if a family member of mine was murdered, trademarking sayings etc.  I would be holed up in my house full of grief unable to take care of myself, let alone give speached and travel to a vigil in NYC.

Of course if Zimmerman is aquitted I highly doubt we hear an apology from Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Trayvon-Martin-Death-Shooting-Florida-George-Zimmerman-Anniversary-193253611.html

 

 

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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:32:53 PM

I do wonder if a jury can objectively view this case, no matter the location of the trial.

I say that because people have already received death threats and the "no justice, no peace" crowed will be in full frenzy during the trial.

 

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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:25:03 PM

I made a mistake in my first sentence.  First, no one was murdered here.  This was classic self-defense in my mind, and certainly "stand your ground" at least. 

I agree with you 14, the masses will make their intent known.  This was strictly a political charge of second degree murder; Angela Corey should be ashamed of herself.  The masses certainly will not be happy about the outcome of this case either way as far as I am concerned.  If he is found guilty, it will be "well what took you so long to arrest him."  If he is found innocent (like I believe he will be), then...well I don't even want to think about what will happen in that instance.

 

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Posted: 2/26/2013 3:19:28 PM
Excellent observation. Whoever lets this trial get to a jury is irresponsible.

Far too many ignorant people exist and Casey Anthony jury proves it.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 3:56:58 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by bowlslit:

Excellent observation. Whoever lets this trial get to a jury is irresponsible.

Far too many ignorant people exist and Casey Anthony jury proves it.

Never would have guessed it.

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Posted: 2/26/2013 4:19:05 PM
not this discussion again 
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Posted: 2/26/2013 4:37:31 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by bowlslit:



Far too many ignorant people exist and Casey Anthony jury proves it.

oh the irony.

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Posted: 2/26/2013 5:15:11 PM

The number of DJ's posts that contain an "oh-god-I'm-so-much-smarter-than-you

OVER/UNDER 62.5%

OVER -130

UNDER +120

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Posted: 2/26/2013 5:27:50 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MaineRoad:

The number of DJ's posts that contain an "oh-god-I'm-so-much-smarter-than-you

OVER/UNDER 62.5%

OVER -130

UNDER +120

Now this meets the definition of projection coming from a poster who prefaces every argument with his profession, his experience, his 'knowledge' and how many unions he 'busted' last year.

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Posted: 2/26/2013 7:17:50 PM

how much have the cashed in on their sons death? Anyone know?

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Posted: 2/27/2013 1:24:25 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:

not this discussion again 


I'm certainly not afraid of this discussion because I know I'm right.

I could see how one would not want to discuss this if they can't see the big picture.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 3:15:26 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:

not this discussion again 

you mean the "Our OJ is innocent" blabbering?

Its funny how people will continue to insist that OJ didnt do it...
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Posted: 2/27/2013 9:53:19 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:



I'm certainly not afraid of this discussion because I know I'm right.

I could see how one would not want to discuss this if they can't see the big picture.

of course you are right and have it all figured out. Which is precisely why any discussion is pointless and why post #7 is 
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:21:11 AM
Trayvon Martin aside, I'm interested to see what everyone's opinion is on the "Stand Your Ground" Law.

I would have no problem if it specifically mentioned protecting ones own home, family, and property.

From what it sounds like, and I may be wrong, if you are even about to get into an altercation you can shoot someone with justification.

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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:10:48 AM
ktrain

You have to be able to show that your life was in danger or at least serious bodily injury.

If you look at this case. The standard should be easily met because there is medical evidence and witness statements to support Zimmermans claim that his head was being pounded into the ground.

Mattbrot, how does this make me the ignorant one as you have suggested?

I'm sorry that you are one of the ones who can't see past the cute teenage boy being killed by a man in his late 20's.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:13:04 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:


you mean the "Our OJ is innocent" blabbering?

Its funny how people will continue to insist that OJ didnt do it...


What does OJ have to do with this case?

Are you suggesting that people that think Zimmerman was justified in shooting Trayvon are the same people that believe OJ was innocent?
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:13:52 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:

Trayvon Martin aside, I'm interested to see what everyone's opinion is on the "Stand Your Ground" Law.

I would have no problem if it specifically mentioned protecting ones own home, family, and property.

From what it sounds like, and I may be wrong, if you are even about to get into an altercation you can shoot someone with justification.



i don't see a problem with it.  it's basically just a self defense law.  i'm not sure it says you can just shoot someone if you get into an altercation though.  the force you use has to be reasonable under the circumstances. 
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:18:24 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

ktrain

You have to be able to show that your life was in danger or at least serious bodily injury.

If you look at this case. The standard should be easily met because there is medical evidence and witness statements to support Zimmermans claim that his head was being pounded into the ground.

Mattbrot, how does this make me the ignorant one as you have suggested?

I'm sorry that you are one of the ones who can't see past the cute teenage boy being killed by a man in his late 20's.

I am just referring to how you have painted a picture in your mind of how it happened (which includes lots of speculation) and are convinced without a doubt that this is the case. Your comment in post #11 is a perfect example.  -- I do not want to go over this again. If you want to debate it just go back and reread the long thread where you and I went back and forth quite a bit. I am pretty sure that both of our points will be exactly the same as in that thread. 

And the statement about the cute teenage boy has nothing to do with my stance in this discussion.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:22:45 AM
zimmerman is guilty, period!
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:37:43 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

zimmerman is guilty, period!

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Posted: 2/27/2013 12:44:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

zimmerman is guilty, period!

Guilty until proven innocent?

Do you feel this way 100% of the time or just when the accused is a white Hispanic?
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Posted: 2/27/2013 1:00:42 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by Ktrain:

Trayvon Martin aside, I'm interested to see what everyone's opinion is on the "Stand Your Ground" Law.

I would have no problem if it specifically mentioned protecting ones own home, family, and property.

From what it sounds like, and I may be wrong, if you are even about to get into an altercation you can shoot someone with justification.

I think every state should have a stand your ground law.

Here is the relevant portion of the statute per your comment

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of

this chapter is not available to a person who:

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger

of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape

such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the

assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates

clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the

assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

 

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Posted: 2/27/2013 1:14:46 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:


I am just referring to how you have painted a picture in your mind of how it happened (which includes lots of speculation) and are convinced without a doubt that this is the case. Your comment in post #11 is a perfect example.  -- I do not want to go over this again. If you want to debate it just go back and reread the long thread where you and I went back and forth quite a bit. I am pretty sure that both of our points will be exactly the same as in that thread. 

And the statement about the cute teenage boy has nothing to do with my stance in this discussion.


Which parts of the discussion was speculation?

Lacerations on the back of his head?

Witness statements that corroborated Zimmermans account?

Lack of evidence on Trayvon's body to show that Zimmerman layed hands on him?

35+ similar phone calls to police under similar circumstances and no single outcome even close to this?


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Posted: 2/27/2013 1:35:42 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

I think every state should have a stand your ground law.

Here is the relevant portion of the statute per your comment

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of

this chapter is not available to a person who:

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger

of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape

such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the

assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates

clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the

assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

 

I don't disagree.

The reality is the limitation portion of the so-called "Stand Your Ground" Law is incorporated into nearly every self-defense statute in every state where by the actor must be, to summarize, in reasonable fear, may not participate in actions which are beyond the scope of the danger presented (i.e. cannot shoot someone who is 10 feet away holding a butter knife), and reasonable under the circumstances.

Additionally, most states have language that summarizes the so-called Bernhard Goetz holding in that the actor must be acting reasonably based on the subjective characteristics of the actor. In other words, a 25 year old muscular man will be held to a different standard than an 85 year old woman.

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Posted: 2/27/2013 1:37:22 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by bowlslit:

ktrain



Mattbrot, how does this make me the ignorant one as you have suggested?


One might define ignorance as claiming to have all the answers in a situation in which none of us know exactly what happened.

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