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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:41:22 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:

 

I think that Zimmerman will walk on this,  I really do not know if he is guilty of a crime in the state of Florida.  



If you think that's 'OK,' then you are defending this:

'a ...society that allows Zimmerman to play police officer, PICK UP A GUN to pursue somebody he thought was a 'suspect,' get into an altercation, and shoot that unarmed person dead'


..you are defending vigilantism. 

So my question to you rick, is do you think that's 'OK?' 
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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:41:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

darn, I guess it would be easy to attack you because if I saw someone who looked like who could hurt me I would even blink.
The only time Zimmerman told the truth was on the 911 tape.
The report actually said that Trayvon asked him why he was following him first.
Zimmerman said that not Martin’s girlfriend.
Lose sight of - Be no longer able to see
Disappear - Cease to be visible
Republicans have zero capability of having an analytic mind.
You should not do that and don’t do that and disappear and lose sight.
Arguing over meticulous bullshit and are always so damn persnickety.
What the darn does Martin kicking his behind have to do with the fact that Zimmerman started the entire situation and since he started it, he deserves to be charged with manslaughter?
darn, you guys are morons.
I think like a cop and you think like a dumbass vigilante uneducated derrrr republican.

Any dumbass would/could understand that there is no law against following somone to find out what they are up to. There is no law broken until Trayvon escalates the situation by punching Z in the friggin face.

In your stupid, ignorant mind it was Z who escalated and that is categorically WRONG. And thats why you are hung up on bullshit and have falsly convicted the guy.

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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:47:48 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by DiscoD69:


If you think that's 'OK,' then you are defending this:

'a ...society that allows Zimmerman to play police officer, PICK UP A GUN to pursue somebody he thought was a 'suspect,' get into an altercation, and shoot that unarmed person dead'


..you are defending vigilantism. 

So my question to you rick, is do you think that's 'OK?' 

Time the darn out

Is picking up a gun against the law? NO

Is following someone against the law? NO

Is asking somone what they are doing against the law? NO

Is Punching someone in the friggin face against the law? YES

Is Slamming someones head into the pavement agianst the law? YES

Is defending yourself from someone who has punched you and slammed your head into the pavement repeatedly against the law? NO

Is killing someone in the scope of defending yourself from "great bodily harm or death" agaisnt the law. NO

What the darn is so hard to understand when you break it all down?

Zimmerman broke Zero laws.

 

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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:50:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

darn, I guess it would be easy to attack you because if I saw someone who looked like who could hurt me I would even blink.
The only time Zimmerman told the truth was on the 911 tape.
The report actually said that Trayvon asked him why he was following him first.
Zimmerman said that not Martin’s girlfriend.
Lose sight of - Be no longer able to see
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Republicans have zero capability of having an analytic mind.
You should not do that and don’t do that and disappear and lose sight.
Arguing over meticulous bullshit and are always so damn persnickety.
What the darn does Martin kicking his behind have to do with the fact that Zimmerman started the entire situation and since he started it, he deserves to be charged with manslaughter?
darn, you guys are morons.
I think like a cop and you think like a dumbass vigilante uneducated derrrr republican.

OK genious, show me part of the report that shows Zimmerman definitively breaking ONE friggin LAW. JUST ONE!

BET YOU CAN'T DO IT

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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:51:06 PM
@#47

What the darn does Martin kicking his behind have to do with the fact that Zimmerman started the entire situation and since he started it, he deserves to be charged with manslaughter?


Thats not the way the law works.

please answer my specific question

If a person is armed with a gun, can they fesr for their life of somebody that is unarmed but throwing fists.
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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:55:42 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by DiscoD69:


If you think that's 'OK,' then you are defending this:

'a ...society that allows Zimmerman to play police officer, PICK UP A GUN to pursue somebody he thought was a 'suspect,' get into an altercation, and shoot that unarmed person dead'


..you are defending vigilantism. 

So my question to you rick, is do you think that's 'OK?' 


Who cares Disco Inferno only simple minded fools are obsessed with this case go and get laid buddy.
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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:58:10 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by J_Galt:

@#38
money, ty for he responce

A follow up question if I may:

Do you believe that someone armed with a gun ( zimmerman ) could be in fear of their life if another unarmed person has broken their nose, knocked them to the ground, and is continuing to punch them?
I do believe that Zimmerman was scared for his life. After he provoked and started the confrontation and gave Martin no choice but to defend himself and was getting his behind kicked by Martin. Zimmerman was losing the fight (he started) and killed Martin out of fear.
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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

I do believe that Zimmerman was scared for his life. After he provoked and started the confrontation and gave Martin no choice but to defend himself and was getting his behind kicked by Martin. Zimmerman was losing the fight (he started) and killed Martin out of fear.

100% conjecture.

Whos the moron?

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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:08:45 PM
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I agree with you 100 percent, but if you check the manslaughter statute, zimmerman then is not guilty

http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2011/782.07



782.07 Manslaughter; aggravated manslaughter of an elderly person or disabled adult; aggravated manslaughter of a child; aggravated manslaughter of an officer, a firefighter, an emergency medical technician, or a paramedic.—
(1) The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:10:25 PM
" without lawful justification "
you just agreed he feared for his life
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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:13:35 PM
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Originally Posted by J_Galt:

" without lawful justification "
you just agreed he feared for his life

This friggin idiot and most others are hung up on the fact that Zimmerman kept following Trayvon after he was notified that he didn't need to follow anymore.

Their tiny little brains can't accept that he committed no crimes in continuing to follow.

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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:24:34 PM
What part of police are on the way and don’t pursue don’t you under stand?
What part of he ran towards the back entrance don’t you understand?
What part of saying you let a potential threat vanish from your sight and then say he appeared out of nowhere and attacked you for no reason don’t you understand?
What part of Martin’s girlfriend was one the phone with Martin and said he was scared and was being followed and was approached by Zimmerman and said Zimmerman asked Martin “what he was doing there?” Don’t you people understand?
Why do people believe that a person who starts and provokes the fight and is losing believe that the fighter that started and provoked the fight and is losing has the right to kill to win the fight? And walk free?
What part of pretending to be a cop and administer a citizen’s arrest without witnessing a crime don’t you understand?
Why did the officer who arrived on scene put on his report HOMICIDE–NEGLIG-MANSL–UNESSESSARY KILLING TO PREVENT UNLAWFUL ACT?

Imperfect self-defense/ voluntary manslaughter

Republicans have garbage for brains and have zero capability of having an analytic mind.

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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:30:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

What part of police are on the way and don’t pursue don’t you under stand?
What part of he ran towards the back entrance don’t you understand?
What part of saying you let a potential threat vanish from your sight and then say he appeared out of nowhere and attacked you for no reason don’t you understand?
What part of Martin’s girlfriend was one the phone with Martin and said he was scared and was being followed and was approached by Zimmerman and said Zimmerman asked Martin “what he was doing there?” Don’t you people understand?
Why do people believe that a person who starts and provokes the fight and is losing believe that the fighter that started and provoked the fight and is losing has the right to kill to win the fight? And walk free?
What part of pretending to be a cop and administer a citizen’s arrest without witnessing a crime don’t you understand?
Why did the officer who arrived on scene put on his report HOMICIDE–NEGLIG-MANSL–UNESSESSARY KILLING TO PREVENT UNLAWFUL ACT?

Imperfect self-defense/ voluntary manslaughter

Republicans have garbage for brains and have zero capability of having an analytic mind.

What part of 'IT DOESNT friggin MATTER THAT HE WAS ASKED POLITELY NOT TO FOLLOW' don't you understand.

Show me where he broke ONE friggin LAW YOU IMBISIL

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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:32:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

What part of police are on the way and don’t pursue don’t you under stand?
What part of he ran towards the back entrance don’t you understand?
What part of saying you let a potential threat vanish from your sight and then say he appeared out of nowhere and attacked you for no reason don’t you understand?
What part of Martin’s girlfriend was one the phone with Martin and said he was scared and was being followed and was approached by Zimmerman and said Zimmerman asked Martin “what he was doing there?” Don’t you people understand?
Why do people believe that a person who starts and provokes the fight and is losing believe that the fighter that started and provoked the fight and is losing has the right to kill to win the fight? And walk free?
What part of pretending to be a cop and administer a citizen’s arrest without witnessing a crime don’t you understand?
Why did the officer who arrived on scene put on his report HOMICIDE–NEGLIG-MANSL–UNESSESSARY KILLING TO PREVENT UNLAWFUL ACT?

Imperfect self-defense/ voluntary manslaughter

Republicans have garbage for brains and have zero capability of having an analytic mind.

You and DL must be the same person. If you don't like the answer you get you just keep repeating the same bullshit over and over.

ALL OF THIS friggin garbage DOESN'T MATTER SINCE HE THREW ZERO PUNCHES AND BROKE ZERO LAWS.

darn!

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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:46:30 PM
100% conjecture.

Who is this moron?

what are you even talking about?


You see with your crazy obsession with me that I say you are simply "just another one"

Covers knows
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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:47:34 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by DiscoD69:


If you think that's 'OK,' then you are defending this:

'a ...society that allows Zimmerman to play police officer, PICK UP A GUN to pursue somebody he thought was a 'suspect,' get into an altercation, and shoot that unarmed person dead'


..you are defending vigilantism. 

So my question to you rick, is do you think that's 'OK?' 

You are reducing the argument to fit your emotional responses. 

I do not think that Zimmerman did the right thing.  The question (as I understood it) is Did he do anything illegal?  I do not think that in the state of Florida he did.  I think that the Stand your ground law is flawed.  

So by stating that I suppose I am against the "vigilantism" as you put it. 

I am trying not to be in Zimmerman's corner, but he is being tried in the court of public opinion and I think that is disgraceful when so little of the information has been verified or even heard/seen. 


We dont need you to do that = Don't do that. ,  I am sorry but that is friggin stupid There is clearly a difference and you don't have to be an English teacher to know that. 

Idiotic media coverage =  8 year old picture used as a graphic to drum up emotional responses. 


I am in the camp that thinks that garbage like this happens every day. 

I get defensive when I see the media calling the hispanic guy a white guy, and trying to drum up racial hatred and conflict with this.  

IF you don't see that this is being used as a launching pad then you are blind.  


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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:48:25 PM
What part of police are on the way and don’t pursue don’t you under stand?


This was never stated. 
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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:54:13 PM
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100% conjecture.

Who is this moron?

what are you even talking about?


You see with your crazy obsession with me that I say you are simply "just another one"

Covers knows

100% wishful thinking

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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:59:14 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

What part of police are on the way and don’t pursue don’t you under stand?
What part of he ran towards the back entrance don’t you understand?
What part of saying you let a potential threat vanish from your sight and then say he appeared out of nowhere and attacked you for no reason don’t you understand?
What part of Martin’s girlfriend was one the phone with Martin and said he was scared and was being followed and was approached by Zimmerman and said Zimmerman asked Martin “what he was doing there?” Don’t you people understand?
Why do people believe that a person who starts and provokes the fight and is losing believe that the fighter that started and provoked the fight and is losing has the right to kill to win the fight? And walk free?
What part of pretending to be a cop and administer a citizen’s arrest without witnessing a crime don’t you understand?
Why did the officer who arrived on scene put on his report HOMICIDE–NEGLIG-MANSL–UNESSESSARY KILLING TO PREVENT UNLAWFUL ACT?

Imperfect self-defense/ voluntary manslaughter

Republicans have garbage for brains and have zero capability of having an analytic mind.


Because all of the great analysis in this case was done solely  by Democrats. 
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Posted: 3/29/2012 8:06:59 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

100% wishful thinking



why you so obsessed with me?

Reminds me of the 5FF alias when he had his complete melt down on this site making threads about me crying about me  in multiple forums including the help section

The similarities are interesting


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I'm adding "meltdown" and "covers knows" to our drinking game...starting now. 
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Posted: 3/29/2012 8:22:22 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:


You are reducing the argument to fit your emotional responses. 



Sorry rick, exactly what part of my above statement is not true? 

I had an emotional way of stating the events that took place:

- Self imagined authority figure 
- Armed
- Pursued an unknown person in pubic he thought was 'suspicious'
- Confronted that individual and some sort of altercation resulted in the unarmed person being shot to death by the 'arresting pedestrian'

That's vigilantism. He has no accountability, he's not trained in use of reasonable force etc. Is this about the definition of vigilantism? Is it the word itself that offends you or something? What is not factual about that course of events!? 
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Posted: 3/29/2012 8:22:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:


It doesn't clearly show anything. It's a pretty grainy still photo from a video. I'm pretty sure a decent lawyer could argue that is part of a glare from a light at the station. Maybe something that is in between the light and Zimmerman's head. 

My question would be did the police document marks on Zimmerman's head in the report? Were there pictures taking of these injuries? If not, then why? 

I haven't came across any news of this yet. Isn't it S.O.P. of photos to be taken of someone's injuries in self defense cases like this? 

I don't know because I have never been involved in this sort of thing. I'm just asking questions. 

If it "doesn't show anything" why is the officer looking at the back of his head at the .50 second mark?

Why would he do that?
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Posted: 3/29/2012 8:23:07 PM
The difference between me and all the morons attacking me is that you think an armed vigilante killing someone is a good thing and disregarding dispatchers orders is OK.
You guys think Zimmerman had the right to kill and he was in the right to pretend to be a cop. We don't need cops lets just give everyone guns and let the morons police themselves.
You believe Zimmerman's account was fact and believe the cops handled the case properly.
I believe Martin's girlfriend and believe Zimmerman is a lying killer and police mishandled the case.
 I think like a cop, use logic, don’t trust all police, don’t trust politicians, believe in following 911 dispatchers orders, don’t believe the words of a killer, don’t believe people have the right to pretend to be cops, and I don’t believe in magic.
The only people defending Zimmerman are racist republicans.
I think with common sense and I’m not a Klan’s man.
I have been arguing with theocratic skinheads and I finally give up.

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Posted: 3/29/2012 8:24:33 PM
What part of pretending to be a cop and administer a citizen’s arrest without witnessing a crime don’t you understand? 


Yeah!

That's like totally what happened!!!!

Your idiocy has reached new lows.
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