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#276 Posted: 4/1/2012 3:56:31 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
Now, Trayvon Martin's parents want the special prosecutors to step down ..they will ask the U.S. Justice Department to review the prosecutor's interactions with police investigating ...
Sources ?
Trayvon's parents did not ask for the special prosecutor to step down. the special prosecutor is Angela Corey.
It's Norm Wolfinger's they want the Federal government to investigate
According to this CNN article
The Justice Department launched an investigation into Martin's death on
March 19, but the family is now asking it to look for possible
interference by State's Attorney Norm Wolfinger's office with Sanford,
Florida, Police Detective Chris Serino, attorney Ben Crump said.
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#277 Posted: 4/1/2012 4:30:05 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by J_Galt:
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I really can't fault his parents.
Their child is dead, and I believe they are only hearing what they want to hear
( many of us parents are like that at 1 time or another )
At this point, unless a major leader of the black community tells the protesters to stand down, rioting is inevitable.
1) Z is NOT CHARGED = rioting
2) Z is charged, and acquitted = rioting
3) Z is charged and found guilty = rioting
you are jumping to conclusions 
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#278 Posted: 4/1/2012 4:31:55 PM
What’s funny is that detective Chris Serino who created an
affidavit, WHO IS A REAL COP already investigated
Zimmerman’s BULLSHIT ACCOUNT,
reviewed witness accounts, reviewed all the EVIDENCE and
wanted to charge Zimmerman with Manslaughter.
I guess detective Chris Serino ignored "the evidence."
How many jobs have you pretended to have on here?
Police, Construction, and now insurance? That’s quite
a cut in pay? darn this is beyond ridiculous.
They let someone as crazy as you into the academy
and you graduated? darn! I believe this is a lie.
NO FUCKIN way this is true. You and 14daroad
belong in mental institutions. A cop that believes in
killing a kid and saying he doesn’t deserve to be
questioned in a court of law and allowed to walk free?
A cop that calls other detectives mall-cops?
Shut the darn up. You and Zimmerman belong in mental
institutions for lying, aliases and schizophrenia.
A cop that doesn’t believe in corruption?
If you actually were around cops you would know this
garbage already. You don’t even have a 5th grade education.
You don’t even know how law enforcement works.
You don’t even know what Circumstantial evidence is.
Circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a collection,
so that the pieces then become corroborating evidence.
Fingerprint evidence, videotapes, sound recordings,
photographs, and many other examples of physical evidence
that support the drawing of an inference, i.e., circumstantial
evidence, are considered very strong possible evidence.
You know A, B, C, D, and E. The garbage you are against.
Scott Peterson was another high-profile conviction based
heavily on circumstantial evidence.
his has gotten way out of control.
You have now exposed yourself and you make me sick.
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#279 Posted: 4/1/2012 5:33:34 PM I'm the stupid one yet you are the one who repeatedly writes using one ginormous block of text?
Even CD now believes my claims.
I never claimed construction. Alcoa is an aluminum company dickhead. I worked at Alcoa on a melt furnace and casting facility for almost 15 years. Prior to that, I attended a police academy where I graduated after about one year and 8 months. I currently write insurance policies representing 45+ different companies.
I don't give a darn if you believe me or not. You are a friggin moron and have had your mind made up from the get go on this case and repeatedly ignore key evidence while clinging to issues that have no bearing on guilt or innocense.
I have never called an intelligent cop a mall cop. I only refer to fake cops that are too dumb to know what can be proven in a court of law and what can't mall cops. Besides, anyone that would be able to be friends with a fool like you is a complete friggin idiot.
A. No crime committed
B. No crime committed
C. No crime committed
D. Laying on of hands
D.1. Witness statement stating the laying on of hands did occur.
E. Defense from laying on of hands.
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#280 Posted: 4/1/2012 5:39:15 PM
Any person the votes for Romney, Santorum, Gingrich,
thinks Mormonism is normal, thinks a kids death doesn’t
deserve to be thoroughly and properly investigated,
thinks if someone’s is killed and tells a story to take the
killers word for it has severe mental problems.
On top of that thinks a killer can kill someone and trusts
their side of the story when the evidence tells the story
and questions other cops and calls real detectives mall cops
and questions circumstantial evidence and claims to have once
been a cop has to be crazy.
A. No crime committed
B. No crime committed
C. No crime committed
D. Laying on of hands
D.1. Witness statement stating the laying on of hands did occur.
E. Defense from laying on of hands.
Yup, that’s how circumstantial evidence is presented.
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#281 Posted: 4/1/2012 5:43:26 PM Originaly posted by Moneysrh
You know A, B, C, D, and E. The garbage you are against.
Scott Peterson was another high-profile conviction based
heavily on circumstantial evidence.
I guess blood in his carpets was circumstancial?
Seems to me when her body washed up on the shore not far from where he went fishing for 45 minutes after driving 3 hours to get to, the trial started relatively shortly after that. Is that circumstantial?
There was alot of circumstantial evidence in that case but they waited until after the body washed up to start the trial.
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#282 Posted: 4/1/2012 5:44:43 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
I type this way because it’s easier to read and on the eyes.
Any person the votes for Romney, Santorum, Gingrich,
thinks Mormonism is normal, thinks a kids death doesn’t
deserve to be thoroughly and properly investigated,
thinks if someone’s is killed and tells a story to take the
killers word for it has severe mental problems.
On top of that thinks a killer can kill someone and trusts
their side of the story when the evidence tells the story
and questions other cops and calls real detectives mall cops
and questions circumstantial evidence and claims to have once
been a cop has to be crazy.
A. No crime committed
B. No crime committed
C. No crime committed
D. Laying on of hands
D.1. Witness statement stating the laying on of hands did occur.
E. Defense from laying on of hands.
Yup, that’s how circumstantial evidence is presented.
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#283 Posted: 4/1/2012 5:48:11 PM You think I'm schitzo?
How many times in this thread have you waved the white flag yet here you are?
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#284 Posted: 4/1/2012 6:04:46 PM I'll beat you to the chase. Since I'm so inept at circumstantial evidence.
Susan Powell if it did go to trial if Scott were still alive is a great example of a trial based on circumstantial evidence.
More than likely, Scott Powell dumped her body down a mine shaft somewhere or left her body out in the elements to be consumed by coyotes or whatever.
I think I may have recently heard that they found some blood stained comforters or somthing like that that he was storing in a storage unit.
Because of the lack of a body it would have to be tried solely based on circumstantial evidence.
But, what do I know right?
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#285 Posted: 4/1/2012 6:08:11 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit: Originaly posted by Moneysrh
You know A, B, C, D, and E. The garbage you are against.
Scott Peterson was another high-profile conviction based
heavily on circumstantial evidence.
I guess blood in his carpets was circumstancial?
Seems to me when her body washed up on the shore not far from where he went fishing for 45 minutes after driving 3 hours to get to, the trial started relatively shortly after that. Is that circumstantial?
There was alot of circumstantial evidence in that case but they waited until after the body washed up to start the trial.
Try again fool! http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/scott040718.htm
While nobody keeps statistics on how many cases are tried based solely or largely on circumstantial evidence, legal experts believe that it's the large majority.
There are millions of cases tried and get a conviction off of circumstantial evidence. Research famous crimes and I'm sure you will see a ton of cases tried on circumstantial evidence.
Stop changing the subject.
Well I keep trying but it's hard to stop attacking you when every time I think you have ran out of crazy garbage to post about this case you continue and I have to expose you for the dumbass that you are.
Also, you never posted evidence of a witness seeing or saying who threw the first punch. 
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#286 Posted: 4/1/2012 6:29:34 PM Me a fool huh?
You are the one who says that an arrest should have been made that night.
Minor details like this Florida statute may have prevented such an arrest.
According to Florida Statute 776.032 :
Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.— 776.032
A person who uses force as permitted in s. (1) 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful. (2)
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#287 Posted: 4/1/2012 6:35:34 PM 
The only defense you have is the Zimmerman's word was the truth and you said a broken nose tells what happened and you never posted evidence of a witness seeing or saying who threw the first punch.
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#288 Posted: 4/1/2012 6:39:23 PM For those that have projected or implied that Zimmerman could have already pulled the gun out on Trayvon...Ask yourself this question.
Trayvons girl had stated that she heard Trayvon ask Zimmerman "Why are you following me?" to which she heard a response presumably from Zimmerman "What are you doing around here?"
and then some scuffling. Why did Trayvon not take an opportunity to tell his girlfriend that he was being held up by an armed person?
You would think that if the gun were out at that point he would surely have told her about the gun and instructed her to call the police.
Why would Zimmerman start a physical confrontation since he was sure that a cop would be there shortly and Martin had no such knowledge? Making him much more likely to start a physical confrontation as I believe he did backed up by some witness statements.
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#289 Posted: 4/1/2012 6:44:18 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
I don't care because the detective wanted him arrested and corrupt people didn't allow it.
The only defense you have is the Zimmerman's word was the truth and you said a broken nose tells what happened and you never posted evidence of a witness seeing or saying who threw the first punch.
Once again pure speculation as there is nothing to suggest of any corruption. Pure projections.
My defense is that there is no evidence to suggest that Zimmerman laid a hand on Trayvon yet there is such evidence that Trayvon laid hands on Zimmerman. There is no evidence to suggest that Zimmerman is lying.
Trayvon did at least throw one punch.
Zimmerman...no evidence at all to say he touched Trayvon at all.
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#290 Posted: 4/1/2012 6:45:51 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
Me a fool huh?
You are the one who says that an arrest should have been made that night.
Minor details like this Florida statute may have prevented such an arrest.
According to Florida Statute 776.032 :
Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.— 776.032
A person who uses force as permitted in s. (1) 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful. (2)
Once again, who is the fool?
Who is turning out to know more about law?
 Got a hint for you pumkin. Its not you!
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#291 Posted: 4/1/2012 7:00:28 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
I would say because of that its safe to say that Trayvon threw the first punch.
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#292 Posted: 4/1/2012 7:05:02 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:
Yes, surely it is safe to say.
All that silence, waiting to pounce and thats all you could come up with?
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#293 Posted: 4/1/2012 7:06:31 PM
I know, I know Zimmerman stalking him doesn't say anything about his character. His history of violence and aggressive behavior. All of this doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter the fact that he didn't obey 911 which and all cops say darn 911 dispatchers and believe their jobs are not to be taken seriously. This is a broken record.
You have NO witness and only Zimmerman's crazy account. You can go ahead and stand your ground with a broken nose and Zimmerman's account.
I have Zimmerman's history of aggression as evidence, history of
violence as evidence, a 911 tape as evidence, and a detective who wanted
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#294 Posted: 4/1/2012 7:08:34 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
All that silence, waiting to pounce and thats all you could come up with?
Dissapointing for sure.
I can see how one who espouses whatever the far right wing tells him cannot understand a measured pragmatic, wait until all the evidence comes out approach. |
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#295 Posted: 4/1/2012 7:16:40 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
That's all I need to hear.
I know, I know Zimmerman stalking him doesn't say anything about his character. His history of violence and aggressive behavior. All of this doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter the fact that he didn't obey 911 which and all cops say darn 911 dispatchers and believe their jobs are not to be taken seriously. This is a broken record.
You have NO witness and only Zimmerman's crazy account. You can go ahead and stand your ground with a broken nose and Zimmerman's account.
I have Zimmerman's history of aggression as evidence, history of violence as evidence, a 911 tape as evidence, and a detective who wanted to press charges as evidence.
Did Treyvon swing on a bus driver?
False, he was never told to stop following in any way. LIE LIE LIE.
Why would he call police and then shoot before they arrived. It doesn't make ANY sense. It only makes sense in the case of self defense. Finding out what a stranger is doing in your neighborhood is not stalking you friggin idiot.
Ya ya...you have nothing more than his history of pushing to help you speculate and project. History is only a tiny fraction of the equation.
Is there any history of him shooting anyone? NO
Speaking of history, he had called 911 a number of other times before and yet only fired his gun once. HMMMM
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#296 Posted: 4/1/2012 7:20:13 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:
I can see how one who espouses whatever the far right wing tells him cannot understand a measured pragmatic, wait until all the evidence comes out approach.
DJbrow, I'm not going to call you an idiot but it seems to me that I have used my own arguments in this case and even stated that I'm waiting for the medical report to come out.
Only an imbisil would deduce that I am waiting for the right wing extremists to coach me as to what to say. |
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#297 Posted: 4/1/2012 7:24:10 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:
I can see how one who espouses whatever the far right wing tells him cannot understand a measured pragmatic, wait until all the evidence comes out approach.
Is this somthing the far right wing told me?
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#298 Posted: 4/1/2012 7:25:02 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
According to Florida Statute 776.032 :
Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.— 776.032
A person who uses force as permitted in s. (1) 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful. (2)
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#299 Posted: 4/1/2012 7:29:59 PM 
Nothing about Zimmerman's story makes sense.
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#300 Posted: 4/1/2012 7:32:17 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
Did Treyvon swing on a bus driver?
False, he was never told to stop following in any way. LIE LIE LIE.
Why would he call police and then shoot before they arrived. It doesn't make ANY sense. It only makes sense in the case of self defense. Finding out what a stranger is doing in your neighborhood is not stalking you friggin idiot.
Ya ya...you have nothing more than his history of pushing to help you speculate and project. History is only a tiny fraction of the equation.
Is there any history of him shooting anyone? NO
Speaking of history, he had called 911 a number of other times before and yet only fired his gun once. HMMMM
You may be onto somthing...I'm starting to like his history more and more.
What evidence is there that Trayvon swung on a bus driver? He was suspended for truancy and marijuana.
The 911 operator told him he didn't need to follow him. Fact.
People do all sorts of irrational things. Maybe he wanted to set up self-defense as a defense.
So because he never shot anyone before then he couldn't have just shot someone this time? That's just friggin stupid. I guess no one can ever be convicted of murder for the first shot. One free shot? Most people (not in jail) don't have a history of shooting people because if they did they'd be in jail.
Fact is Zimmerman had been in altercations with police and his girlfriend, people have come forward to say he's jeckyl and hyde, he was ordered to anger management classes....we'll find out what happened. My suspicion is we'll find out that Zimmerman acted trigger-happy here. I think they argued, got into a fight and Zimmerman became enraged that this black kid took a swing at him so he decided to pop him.
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